Another phantom catch

#26
#26
mchandl7 said:
Actually by rule Johnson's was the correct call. No one is arguing that it was an incorrect call, all ESPN has talked about all week is that the rule is bad. The Florida receiver basically did the same thing, caught the ball in the air landed in bounds with possession and then lost the ball when he hit the ground. The problem with football is that each league has there own, sometimes contradictory, rules. So what would be called incomplete in one league may be compete in another. In the NFL the Florida reception would've been incomplete, in college I think it is complete but without looking at the rule cannot be sure.
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Everyone is forgetting he got a foot down before hitting the ground. The ground cannot cause a fumble people. The catch was legit plain and simple. The WR used his height to his advantage and made a play.
 
#27
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TlM said:
No he doesn't and no it isn't. Plus, Johnson's non catch was the incorrect call so that's a bad example.
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Actually the non-catch by Johnson was ABSOLUTELY the correct call as the rule is written. It may be a stupid rule, but the refs got the call 100% correct.
 
#28
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mchandl7 said:
The problem with football is that each league has there own, sometimes contradictory, rules. So what would be called incomplete in one league may be compete in another. In the NFL the Florida reception would've been incomplete, in college I think it is complete but without looking at the rule cannot be sure.
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This is the key...people are confusing the NFL rule with the college rule. In the NFL, if you go to the ground during the course of the catch, you must "control the ball through the entirety of the catch." In other words, in this case, the ground CAN cause an incompletion. However, the same rules do not apply in college. As such, unfortunate as it may be, the Florida receiver definitely DID catch the ball yesterday because the ball was dead as soon as his leg came down in bounds.
 
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#29
#29
is that the one where he went up high and caught it then rolled out near the sideline?

yeah, he caught that one.
 
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Lockdown1 said:
Everyone is forgetting he got a foot down before hitting the ground. The ground cannot cause a fumble people. The catch was legit plain and simple. The WR used his height to his advantage and made a play.
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The ground can cause an incompletion though. No one is arguing its a fumble.
 
#33
#33
Lockdown1 said:
Everyone is forgetting he got a foot down before hitting the ground. The ground cannot cause a fumble people. The catch was legit plain and simple. The WR used his height to his advantage and made a play.
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having one foot in bounds is only good when u maintain possession when going out of bounds. the receiver went out of bounds and did not perform a football move while not maintaining possession.

if this happened in the middle of the field, yes its a catch, but because it was the next part of his body was down out of bounds, there is a different standard for maintaining possession.


put it this way, if the wr jumped up, caught the ball, got plastered, and while coming down has the ball in his arms, taps his foot inbounds, but when lands on his back out of bounds, the ball pops out and falls to the ground. its an incomplete pass, correct?


that was not a catch.
this is the same premise.
 
#34
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I4Jay said:
having one foot in bounds is only good when u maintain possession when going out of bounds. the receiver went out of bounds and did not perform a football move while not maintaining possession.

if this happened in the middle of the field, yes its a catch, but because it was the next part of his body was down out of bounds, there is a different standard for maintaining possession.


put it this way, if the wr jumped up, caught the ball, got plastered, and while coming down has the ball in his arms, taps his foot inbounds, but when lands on his back out of bounds, the ball pops out and falls to the ground. its an incomplete pass, correct?


that was not a catch.
this is the same premise.
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Where did you come up with a football move?
 
#37
#37
really? when was the last time you saw a guy tap a foot in bounds, fall out of bounds lose control of the ball when hitting the ground and the pass called complete? I'll wait...
 
#38
#38
I4Jay said:
really? when was the last time you saw a guy tap a foot in bounds, fall out of bounds lose control of the ball when hitting the ground and the pass called complete? I'll wait...
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It happens . . . but I don't really recall that being the case on the catch in question. He caught it, came down on top of the defender and his foot tapped as he slid over the top of him while holding the ball.
 
#39
#39
This thread has lived for alot longer than it needed to.

It was a catch.

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#41
#41
He didn't make a "football play", according to the rule book it very easily could have been reversed
 
#43
#43
TlM said:
Regardless, anyone who starts a thread like this is grasping at straws. Let's just focus on getting better and not having to worry about simple 3rd down calls making or breaking us.
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I started this thread and I 100% agree with you but it was on my mind this morning
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#44
#44
I'm in no way trying to blame the loss on this particular call. UF won the game because they were simply a better football team. I was really just disappointed that the play wasn't at least reviewed by the officials because it was close enough to warrant such. It was a huge play in the game, and I would think a priority should have been placed on making 110% sure that the call on the field was correct. Even if they did get the call right in the end, it hurts no one to at least take a second look and be sure.
 
#45
#45
It was said earlier that all plays are reviewed in college. The NFL rule says the receiver must maintain possession through the ground. The guy lost possession when the ball hit the ground. Maybe college rules are different. I've saw the Tom Brady play twice today & they called it a fumble. When he did it against the raiders the play was called incomplete. Maybe it depends on the team & officials.
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#46
#46
I though it was a catch also. The only two big misses I thought from the ref was a face mask against Poole (easy to miss, but they caught a even quicker one against demps a couple plays later) and tackling Simms out of bounds (which was close).
 
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