Another perspective on the JG vs Bailey talk

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Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
 
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Bailey hasn't practiced enough to get a grasp on the offense therefore he hasn't had the opportunity to win the job. He missed spring and missed time because of covid19. Chaney didn't recruit him but simply put the kid dosen't know what he is doing as of yet.
 
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Being a florida guy, I really like what the gators do. Task could be throwing great but will get pulled for a play or sometimes a series. Tennessee should at least do that from here on out. I thought Bailey brought something the other players liked. Somewhere JG got wired to take the check down way more then he should and that contributes to the lack of big plays and way to many 3rd downs. Bailey looked like he will sling it. He was forced to sling it wild because it was the 4th quarter down by 2 scores. I'd like to see the kid get a chance earlier to see his decision making.
 
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OP may be on to something. If Pruitt wises up and let’s Cheney choose his qb I’m not sold he chooses Bailey. He went after Haynes King EXTREMELY hard for a reason.
 
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DonDiego said:
On the other hand, we now get a second open date for HB to get up to speed. It's gotta happen
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I truly hope JG makes a full and speedy recovery but I also hope you right sir.. 🤞
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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Saying you're right.....
Is the qb from cedar hill (Salter) a Chaney guy in your opinion?
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Bailey hasn't practiced enough to get a grasp on the offense therefore he hasn't had the opportunity to win the job. He missed spring and missed time because of covid19. Chaney didn't recruit him but simply put the kid dosen't know what he is doing as of yet.
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The old man doesn't seem to know either
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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This is totally false that UGA didn’t recruit Bailey. Bailey didn’t want to go to UGA and after a couple dozen invites to visit the school (which he declined) UGA moved on.
Carry on these are great reads!
 
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It’s just all speculation at this point. I kinda think it’s Pruitt due to how he speaks. He’s never one time said that’s who the staff like or anything like that. He said so adamantly that’s our guy. So I think Pruitt is highly involved in that decision if not 100% responsible for it.
Another point someone made in this thread is that they’ve just had no chance to get Bailey ready because spring ball was cancelled bla bla. That all sounds fine but any quality coach would recognize how important it is to get Bailey ready. He should been getting a ton of practice reps amd a couple of series in each of the early games this year. Many QBs start and have success as freshman and most of them don’t enroll early and go through spring practice. These coaches failed to recognize how important that position is the team’s success (and how bad Jg has been throughout his career). It’s hard to understand that because just about every vol fans knows this. All my duress had the same reaction when it became apparent that there wasn’t a qb competition going on this year in camp. Just unbelievable the job could be given to Jg without even being challenged. This season has really played out the way most of would’ve expected. This is the same qb that couldn’t score against ga state to start the season last year.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Bailey hasn't practiced enough to get a grasp on the offense therefore he hasn't had the opportunity to win the job. He missed spring and missed time because of covid19. Chaney didn't recruit him but simply put the kid dosen't know what he is doing as of yet.
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I hear this all the time. Am I mistaken or do these kids not play football in HS. Everyone acts like these kids are having to learn how to play a game. I understand there is more this and that and tougher everything. The game is still the same. You run the ball, you pass the ball, you catch the ball. If they can dumb down the offense for JG last year and the team be successful, why can't they dumb it down for HB and let him grow and learn more and more. I'm tired of the perception that these young men are 11 year olds and need snot rags and momma's tits.
 
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Kinglberry said:
I hear this all the time. Am I mistaken or do these kids not play football in HS. Everyone acts like these kids are having to learn how to play a game. I understand there is more this and that and tougher everything. The game is still the same. You run the ball, you pass the ball, you catch the ball. If they can dumb down the offense for JG last year and the team be successful, why can't they dumb it down for HB and let him grow and learn more and more. I'm tired of the perception that these young men are 11 year olds and need snot rags and momma's tits.
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It's very difficult to learn a college playbook as a quarterback. It's not high school
 
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Kinglberry said:
I hear this all the time. Am I mistaken or do these kids not play football in HS. Everyone acts like these kids are having to learn how to play a game. I understand there is more this and that and tougher everything. The game is still the same. You run the ball, you pass the ball, you catch the ball. If they can dumb down the offense for JG last year and the team be successful, why can't they dumb it down for HB and let him grow and learn more and more. I'm tired of the perception that these young men are 11 year olds and need snot rags and momma's tits.
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I agree. How can all of these other college teams have a QB that can play a competent game. I know, I know, it’s not the SEC. But being able to go through a progression and not stare down a receiver is taught from junior high school on. Also being able to throw an 8 yard slant with touch is not a difficult pass to throw at any level. Basic QB skills that have not been displayed at UT this year or the last two consistently. There is no excuse for that.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
It's very difficult to learn a college playbook as a quarterback. It's not high school
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Winston did it
bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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If true then Chaney needs to be fired since Beldar buyout is to high
 
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Kinglberry said:
I hear this all the time. Am I mistaken or do these kids not play football in HS. Everyone acts like these kids are having to learn how to play a game. I understand there is more this and that and tougher everything. The game is still the same. You run the ball, you pass the ball, you catch the ball. If they can dumb down the offense for JG last year and the team be successful, why can't they dumb it down for HB and let him grow and learn more and more. I'm tired of the perception that these young men are 11 year olds and need snot rags and momma's tits.
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I totally agree. HB is a top 5 passer of alltime in the state of GA at the highest classification in GA. Thats rare company with Lawrence, Fields, Watson, & Fromm. U dnt get to that point without being extremely advanced at your position. Those 4 are all NFL Qb's. He may have missed reps bc of covid but he was an early enrollee so he should have the playbook down by now. Just play the kid already its not like we are hanging on to a playoff spot. We have lost 4 straight starting JG so he doesnt give us the best chance to win. If we are losing anyway why not get the kid in there now??
 
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Bailey did not get a spring practice and not much of a fall camp. Once the season starts, most reps go to the starter. We're 6 games into the season and he will eventually be the starting QB. But it's not a simple transition. Peyton didn't start until midway through his freshman year, and that was only because Colquitt was hurt and Helton wanted to focus on baseball. Yes, he has had the play book for a while now, but you can't learn to ride a bicycle by reading about it.

As far as the staff not having another QB ready, QBs are recruited way in advance. There were no highly rated QBs available when Pruitt took over. Maurer and Shrout were projects, and they have both had their moments, but are not the ultimate answer. So the staff has been relegated to playing JG, who has talent but decision making in critical situations is lacking. The "leap" on Saturday which had no chance of making a first down 9 yards away which resulted in a concussion is just the latest example. Love his heart, but QB requires not panicking as well.

Problem is, when JG (or any QB) starts imploding, it effects the whole team. Football is an emotional game. Our OL can be devastating in the run game against a standard defense, but when they begin to stack the box and dare us to throw, there must be another solution. We don't have a consistent enough passing game to get them out of it. The drained emotion then carries over to the defense. Once things start going bad, it snowballs.

Vols are improved everywhere except QB. When Bailey or Salter get up to speed, this will be a different team. Pruitt has upgraded the talent almost everywhere. Get behind him.
 
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