Another gun control debate (Moved from VA shooting thread)

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Brave man still. WASR's are like hungry whores on payday. You know an ak will always beat an ar in regards to reliability.
I love my ar's, but if the shtf, I'm grabbing my arsenal sgl 31.
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Check out the Filthy 14 whenever you get the chance.
 
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All I know for the gun control yahoos, is that common sense escapes them if they really think guns are the problem, and banning them is the answer. See Chicago! Heck, I've got several guns in my closet, they've never killed anybody. Heck, they've seen me naked, and still haven't killed nobody. Its the people, if they want to kill they'll find a way.
 
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joevol33 said:
All I know for the drug control yahoos, is that common sense escapes them if they really think drugs are the problem, and banning them is the answer. See Portugal! Heck, I've got several drugs in my closet, they've never killed anybody. Heck, they've seen me naked, and still haven't killed nobody. Its the people, if they want to be deadbeat drug addicts they'll find a way.
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Christian Lowe said:
There's no universal background check law here for guns. Lol
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What do you know another anti-gun guy that knows absolutely nothing about guns or buying them. There is a universal back ground check for buying new guns from dealers. There is no background check for private transfers.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm thinking big picture and the sheer volume of guns as a part of the problem, since they are frequently stolen or sold and end up in the hands of others, who might have issues like this fellow had.

The gun manufacturers, and their allies in the NRA, have deluded people into buying into a romanticized notion that having a gun on your person is going to, big picture-wise, actually be helpful. That the risks created by doing so, to yourself and others, is outweighed by the one in a krillion chance that you will either save yourself, or others, because you will have the wherewithal to draw down on someone that is a threat.

Images like this:

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are the bread and butter of that notion. A famous actor holding up an 18th century flint rifle, harkening back to the good old days, and when people actually needed guns to fend off Redcoats, Indians, and bears.

The sheer volume of guns out there is a huge part of the problem. I know people don't want to admit that because it implies that the solution is that their own access might be restricted, and of course they think that they are not the problem. Its the crazy guy, not the guns. They refuse to see the problem in larger terms, because they think they are sane and responsible.

Its just not reality.
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Here's some reality for you: that sheer volume of guns "out there" is what keeps tyranny and oppression away from our doorsteps.
 
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SWIL said:
Here's some reality for you: that sheer volume of guns "out there" is what keeps tyranny and oppression away from our doorsteps.
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This being a perfect example of someone who has completely bought in, hook line and sinker, to the romanticized notion that more guns are the answer to too much gun violence.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree. He had a lot of racial resentment as a motivator, plus mental illness that rendered him unable to cope with it in a way other than violence.
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Could you please just say that the guy was clearly a racist piece of ****? Oh, that's right, he isnt the right color.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This being a perfect example of someone who has completely bought in, hook line and sinker, to the romanticized notion that more guns are the answer to too much gun violence.
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Still waiting on your one way that stricter gun control would have prevented this that happened yesterday. Just one LG..............
 
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BearCat204 said:
Still waiting on your one way that stricter gun control would have prevented this that happened yesterday. Just one LG..............
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Of all the terrible arguments by the gun crowd, this is by far the dumbest. Seriously, it takes a complete moron to advance it.

Because murders still occur, we should not have laws against it? Because robberies still happen, we should simply give up on laws that prohibit it?

It's not one incident. It's not that slowing the growth of this idiotic gun culture will prevent all such incidents.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Of all the terrible arguments by the gun crowd, this is by far the dumbest. Seriously, it takes a complete moron to advance it.

Because murders still occur, we should not have laws against it? Because robberies still happen, we should simply give up on laws that prohibit it?

It's not one incident. It's not that slowing the growth of this idiotic gun culture will prevent all such incidents.
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Still.....yet to provide a single way that stricter gun control laws will prevent events like yesterday or prevent the numerous killings every day we see in this country.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Still.....yet to provide a single way that stricter gun control laws will prevent events like yesterday or prevent the numerous killings every day we see in this country.
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Tighten up the laws on mentally ill people who have guns in their possession would help a lot. I have a schizo in my neighborhood who thinks everyone is out to get her. She told me she had a gun for protection when I first met her. I noted to the police she was on drugs for the problem. They met with her and had a relative hold the weapon. Crazy people can't be allowed to have weapons.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Tighten up the laws on mentally ill people who have guns in their possession would help a lot. I have a schizo in my neighborhood who thinks everyone is out to get her. She told me she had a gun for protection when I first met her. I noted to the police she was on drugs for the problem. They met with her and had a relative hold the weapon. Crazy people can't be allowed to have weapons.
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Hilary Clinton is your neighbor? Wow
 
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This whole mess proves that racism comes in all colors. You tell me: Is the bigger problem too much racism, or too many guns?

How about this for gun control? Wherever a murder by gun occurs, have the govt go door to door and confiscate all the guns within a block of the crime. This would surely clean up the high crime areas. (Sarcasm)
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Tighten up the laws on mentally ill people who have guns in their possession would help a lot. I have a schizo in my neighborhood who thinks everyone is out to get her. She told me she had a gun for protection when I first met her. I noted to the police she was on drugs for the problem. They met with her and had a relative hold the weapon. Crazy people can't be allowed to have weapons.
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People who are going to kill or illegally use a firearm are going to get a firearm whether or not it's legal for them to have one. I'm all for fixing the issue we are having with these killings and the senseless violence we see every single day, but I'm not convinced that stricter gun control laws are the answer.

Yes we have laws against murder and laws against theft, but the simple possession of a firearm isnt even comparable to those two things.
 
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BearCat204 said:
People who are going to kill or illegally use a firearm are going to get a firearm whether or not it's legal for them to have one. I'm all for fixing the issue we are having with these killings and the senseless violence we see every single day, but I'm not convinced that stricter gun control laws are the answer.

Yes we have laws against murder and laws against theft, but the simple possession of a firearm isnt even comparable to those two things.
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We must control American guns! But also we must supply Iran with Nuclear weapons!

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bowlinggreenvol said:
So a bimbo legal analyst on CNN says race didn't play a role but she prefaces by saying "clearly he said that in his manifesto, but I don't believe it played a role in his mind. It was a mentally ill issue." They're not mutually exclusive. One can be racist and not violently act upon that racism. Clearly someone who feels the need to kill, over some perceived slights, is not 100% mentally right. Doesn't mean racism wasn't the root of his motivation.
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It's the agenda.
 
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