Another gun control debate (Moved from VA shooting thread)

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No. I don't ignore anyone on VN because sometimes they can e surprising. Like you and your comment about lions, which was spot on.
 
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After Shooting, Alleged Gunman Details Grievances in

--He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work --He says he has been attacked by black men and white females --He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man
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“The church shooting was the tipping point…but my anger has been building steadily...I’ve been a human powder keg for a while…just waiting to go BOOM!!!!”.
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
He tweeted that Alison made racist comments. He was fired twice and sued the Tallahassee news station for racism. Not hard to connect the dots here.
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Flanagan was fired from the station, though the reason was not made public, the ex-employee said.

"Two years ago, we had to separate him from the company. We did understand that he was still living in the area," WDBJ General Manager Jeff Marks said.

ABC News reported that it received a fax containing a 23-page manifesto from someone named Bryce Williams, acccording to a tweet. The document was handed over to investigators, ABC said.

The network posted a short story reporting some of the manifesto's contents. They show Flanagan alleging that he had been the victim of bullying and discrimination because he is gay and black.

He also says that he was compelled to respond to Dylann Roof's massacre at a Charleston, South Carolina, church in June and was inspired by Seung Hui Cho, who orchestrated the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007.

-CNN
 
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BearCat204 said:
How would gun control prevent someone from getting a gun and committing this crime counselor? We have outlawed meth, coke, acid, heroin, yet they are rampant in this country. Please, I am honestly asking how you think more gun control would have stopped this.
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I'm thinking big picture and the sheer volume of guns as a part of the problem, since they are frequently stolen or sold and end up in the hands of others, who might have issues like this fellow had.

The gun manufacturers, and their allies in the NRA, have deluded people into buying into a romanticized notion that having a gun on your person is going to, big picture-wise, actually be helpful. That the risks created by doing so, to yourself and others, is outweighed by the one in a krillion chance that you will either save yourself, or others, because you will have the wherewithal to draw down on someone that is a threat.

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are the bread and butter of that notion. A famous actor holding up an 18th century flint rifle, harkening back to the good old days, and when people actually needed guns to fend off Redcoats, Indians, and bears.

The sheer volume of guns out there is a huge part of the problem. I know people don't want to admit that because it implies that the solution is that their own access might be restricted, and of course they think that they are not the problem. Its the crazy guy, not the guns. They refuse to see the problem in larger terms, because they think they are sane and responsible.

Its just not reality.
 
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comment from CNN:

"Dylan Roof shoots up a church of blacks.

Bryce Williams takes the law into his own hands in an attempt to kill supposed racists.

Why couldn't these two have saved everyone some grief and just shot each other?"

:clapping:
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm thinking big picture and the sheer volume of guns as a part of the problem, since they are frequently stolen or sold and end up in the hands of others, who might have issues like this fellow had.

The gun manufacturers, and their allies in the NRA, have deluded people into buying into a romanticized notion that having a gun on your person is going to, big picture-wise, actually be helpful. That the risks created by doing so, to yourself and others, is outweighed by the one in a krillion chance that you will either save yourself, or others, because you will have the wherewithal to draw down on someone that is a threat.

Images like this:

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are the bread and butter of that notion. A famous actor holding up an 18th century flint rifle, harkening back to the good old days, and when people actually needed guns to fend off Redcoats, Indians, and bears.

The sheer volume of guns out there is a huge part of the problem. I know people don't want to admit that because it implies that the solution is that their own access might be restricted, and of course they think that they are not the problem. Its the crazy guy, not the guns. They refuse to see the problem in larger terms, because they think they are sane and responsible.

Its just not reality.
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Again you have failed to even give a single reasonable way that more gun control would have stopped something like this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm thinking big picture and the sheer volume of guns as a part of the problem, since they are frequently stolen or sold and end up in the hands of others, who might have issues like this fellow had.

The gun manufacturers, and their allies in the NRA, have deluded people into buying into a romanticized notion that having a gun on your person is going to, big picture-wise, actually be helpful. That the risks created by doing so, to yourself and others, is outweighed by the one in a krillion chance that you will either save yourself, or others, because you will have the wherewithal to draw down on someone that is a threat.

Images like this:

article-2298801-00D083CF00000578-29_634x355.jpg


are the bread and butter of that notion. A famous actor holding up an 18th century flint rifle, harkening back to the good old days, and when people actually needed guns to fend off Redcoats, Indians, and bears.

The sheer volume of guns out there is a huge part of the problem. I know people don't want to admit that because it implies that the solution is that their own access might be restricted, and of course they think that they are not the problem. Its the crazy guy, not the guns. They refuse to see the problem in larger terms, because they think they are sane and responsible.

Its just not reality.
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I believe it is you dear sir who has a problem with reality. A person bent on killing is going to kill regardless of the available tool.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm thinking big picture and the sheer volume of guns as a part of the problem, since they are frequently stolen or sold and end up in the hands of others, who might have issues like this fellow had.

The gun manufacturers, and their allies in the NRA, have deluded people into buying into a romanticized notion that having a gun on your person is going to, big picture-wise, actually be helpful. That the risks created by doing so, to yourself and others, is outweighed by the one in a krillion chance that you will either save yourself, or others, because you will have the wherewithal to draw down on someone that is a threat.

Images like this:

article-2298801-00D083CF00000578-29_634x355.jpg


are the bread and butter of that notion. A famous actor holding up an 18th century flint rifle, harkening back to the good old days, and when people actually needed guns to fend off Redcoats, Indians, and bears.

The sheer volume of guns out there is a huge part of the problem. I know people don't want to admit that because it implies that the solution is that their own access might be restricted, and of course they think that they are not the problem. Its the crazy guy, not the guns. They refuse to see the problem in larger terms, because they think they are sane and responsible.

Its just not reality.
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But the liberal "reality" is that by taking as many guns as possible you will remove guns from crazies and criminals. That is not living in reality.

Big picture.... take my gun, it won'tstop anything because I am not going to shoot up anyplace; but you are not going to get the gun of the jihadi or the next crazy that is hell bent on this kind of thing. It's liberal fantasy world to believe otherwise.
 
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hog88 said:
He nor anyone else can.
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It's just more babble from him. Simply asking for a single way that more gun control could have prevented something like this. Again, we have extreme punishment for controlled substances like meth, heroin, etc. etc., yet it doesn't seem to be helping the drug epidemic in this country.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Those details were reported in the yahoo article I read but not necessarily positioned as racially motivated. But will mainstream media news outlets pick it up? Guess we'll find out this evening.
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If the roles were reversed you can bet your ass that would have been the lead in to the story. I haven't listened in detail but I will after work, thanks for posting.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Images like this:

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are the bread and butter of that notion. A famous actor holding up an 18th century flint rifle, harkening back to the good old days, and when people actually needed guns to fend off Redcoats, Indians, and bears.
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That man parted the Red Sea. I don't think you should be invoking the image of someone that can cast a plague of locusts on your house.
 
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BearCat204 said:
It's just more babble from him. Simply asking for a single way that more gun control could have prevented something like this. Again, we have extreme punishment for controlled substances like meth, heroin, etc. etc., yet it doesn't seem to be helping the drug epidemic in this country.
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It's more than babble with him. He and his ilk have a reason for their madness, dollars! His idea of holding the owners, manufactures, distributors and retailers financially responsible for criminal acts with guns would be a windfall for lawyers.

I would bet the he personally could give two ****s about gun control.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm thinking big picture and the sheer volume of guns as a part of the problem, since they are frequently stolen or sold and end up in the hands of others, who might have issues like this fellow had.

The gun manufacturers, and their allies in the NRA, have deluded people into buying into a romanticized notion that having a gun on your person is going to, big picture-wise, actually be helpful. That the risks created by doing so, to yourself and others, is outweighed by the one in a krillion chance that you will either save yourself, or others, because you will have the wherewithal to draw down on someone that is a threat.

Images like this:

article-2298801-00D083CF00000578-29_634x355.jpg


are the bread and butter of that notion. A famous actor holding up an 18th century flint rifle, harkening back to the good old days, and when people actually needed guns to fend off Redcoats, Indians, and bears.

The sheer volume of guns out there is a huge part of the problem. I know people don't want to admit that because it implies that the solution is that their own access might be restricted, and of course they think that they are not the problem. Its the crazy guy, not the guns. They refuse to see the problem in larger terms, because they think they are sane and responsible.

Its just not reality.
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Your logic is severely flawed. I hope I never have to have you represent me.

The issue is indeed the person not the tool. Look at Europe, in their gun restrictive society. Criminals still acquire guns. If someone wants to kill someone, they can also use other means besides a gun (i.e. mass killing in Norway).

We have a mental health issue and an issue of victimization. We need to teach people to stand up for themselves. Treating everyone like a victim creates self image issues. If you can't see this, then you are more hopeless than I initially suspected.
 
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Twitter cancels the murderers tweets and account, along with Facebook.

Twitter doesn't cancel ISIS tweets about killing Americans and praising anyone that does.

*Something seriously wrong with that.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
If the roles were reversed you can bet your ass that would have been the lead in to the story. I haven't listened in detail but I will after work, thanks for posting.
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💯!

Charleston's story was that way from the onset. This one likely won't be despite little variance in the two incidences. Except for the colors of the shooters and victims. Which is actually a significant variance when it comes to liberal babbling.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Your logic is severely flawed. I hope I never have to have you represent me.
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I was actually thinking about this earlier. There are plenty of people I don't see to eye to eye with, but I can understand their reasoning.

LG has flawed reasoning ability. On top of that, there's rarely any consistency. I think this particular issue has more to do with his priorities than his intellect.

And while I used to think LG was probably a pretty sharp guy, I now have concluded that he is indeed a huge dullard, in addition to being a huge turd. I admit that I was wrong about him.

But it's fun to watch him dance. I like to think of it as a special bonus that he's also a Florida fan and a big Democrat.
 
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