Another Government Shutdown Thread

#85
#85
kckempf said:
Republicans need no Democrat votes to end the shutdown. They have a majority in both houses and the President. To end the shutdown, they need only to have all Republicans vote on a continuing resolution that they agree on.

Right now there are two possibilities:

1. Republicans can't agree with each other on what should be in the CR
2. Republicans can agree on what should be in the CR, but some Republicans can't win a campaign with that vote on their record, so they need somebody else to bear it
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Report back to us when you've learned how Senate voting works.
 
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Dems and GOPers who pay attention to politics already know what this is about, which is theater by both sides and which both sides think will benefit them. People posting here, in a politics forum on a college athletics site, already know who they think is "in the right," or more aptly, "less in the wrong," and both think the other is misrepresenting what its about.

In other words, the debate here is utterly irrelevant.

The question will be, who will average Americans who don't pay much attention to politics blame if things actually get affected by the shutdown. Ergo, the theater of the blame game we see playing out here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Dems and GOPers who pay attention to politics already know what this is about, which is theater by both sides and which both sides think will benefit them. People posting here, in a politics forum on a college athletics site, already know who they think is "in the right," or more aptly, "less in the wrong," and both think the other is misrepresenting what its about.

In other words, the debate here is utterly irrelevant.

The question will be, who will average Americans who don't pay much attention to politics blame if things actually get affected by the shutdown. Ergo, the theater of the blame game we see playing out here.
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Early indicators seem like they’re both responsible.

Republicans saying democrats want to give free healthcare to undocumented immigrants, according to this thread that’s because they want to repeal a section of a bill that includes, among other things, a prohibition on funding healthcare for illegals.

Democrats saying that they actually care about repealing other provisions in that bill.

This is grade school dispute resolution for a group of people whose job is to negotiate and settle disagreements of how/where to run the country and spend its money.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This is grade school dispute resolution for a group of people whose job is to negotiate and settle disagreements of how/where to run the country and spend its money.
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Any Republican that tries to work on a bipartisan bill, or compromises to pass legislation, gets called a 'RINO', and threatened with a (more) MAGA primary challenger in their next election.

So they are never going to do anymore than demand passive fealty from Democrats on any legislative matters.
 
#93
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kckempf said:
Republicans need no Democrat votes to end the shutdown. They have a majority in both houses and the President. To end the shutdown, they need only to have all Republicans vote on a continuing resolution that they agree on.

Right now there are two possibilities:

1. Republicans can't agree with each other on what should be in the CR
2. Republicans can agree on what should be in the CR, but some Republicans can't win a campaign with that vote on their record, so they need somebody else to bear it
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Not exactly. The Republicans have all the votes they need to constitute a major. But in the Senate, the 53/100 votes the Republicans have do not break the threshold of 60 votes needed to pass cloture and actually have the vote.
So even if every Republican in Congress votes for the CR, it still cannot pass as long as the democrats basically “filibuster” the thing.
Democrats are the only roadblock
 
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BeardedVol said:
Any Republican that tries to work on a bipartisan bill, or compromises to pass legislation, gets called a 'RINO', and threatened with a (more) MAGA primary challenger in their next election.

So they are never going to do anymore than demand passive fealty from Democrats on any legislative matters.
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The CR has the same spending level under Biden that the Democrats voted for in December of 2024
 
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BeardedVol said:
Any Republican that tries to work on a bipartisan bill, or compromises to pass legislation, gets called a 'RINO', and threatened with a (more) MAGA primary challenger in their next election.

So they are never going to do anymore than demand passive fealty from Democrats on any legislative matters.
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There is no need to “compromise” on this issue. The CR merely continues funding at current levels. Nothing is getting “cut” except for things like extra COVID funds that were set to expire right now anyway.
Basically the democrats are trying to use appropriations to have a do over for the already passed big beautiful bill.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Not exactly. The Republicans have all the votes they need to constitute a major. But in the Senate, the 53/100 votes the Republicans have do not break the threshold of 60 votes needed to pass cloture and actually have the vote.
So even if every Republican in Congress votes for the CR, it still cannot pass as long as the democrats basically “filibuster” the thing.
Democrats are the only roadblock
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The part that everybody is missing is that bypassing cloture takes a simple majority. If you want the input of the opposition party, keep it in place and negotiate with them. If you don't, vote to skip it and take the consequences.
 
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kckempf said:
The part that everybody is missing is that bypassing cloture takes a simple majority. If you want the input of the opposition party, keep it in place and negotiate with them. If you don't, vote to skip it and take the consequences.
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Yes, that is what has been labeled the "nuclear option".
 
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kckempf said:
The part that everybody is missing is that bypassing cloture takes a simple majority. If you want the input of the opposition party, keep it in place and negotiate with them. If you don't, vote to skip it and take the consequences.
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Not a single American should support that move. Pure lunacy
 
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