Andy Kelly On Fulmer Resigning

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I don't know why everybody is posting these links of what players or past players are saying. Do you really thing they are going to say anything negative? To say anything negative is to go againist the school... thats' what gave them their ticket to an education and possible NFL careers. Nobody is going to say they should of gotten rid of Fulmer two, three etc. years ago.... they are all good guys who will not humiliate their Coach or their School...
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I am probably gonna get slammed for this but here goes... Can anyone here deny that the '98 team, while good, was also the luckiest team they ever saw? See the Arkansas game and facing FSU with a backup QB. I am not knocking the team or the championship because that night was very special to me. But lets be honest, that season was not really "master minded" at all.
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Doyle, I think you are way off base on this.....Why even question the National Championship. Is the hate for Fulmer this deep? You will never see the run in the mid 90's to 2001 Fulmer had ever duplicated again at UT.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Call it inane all you want. The numbers don't lie. How many championships has Fulmer every won without Rodney Garner recruited Peach State Stars? Compare that number to how may UGA has won since Fulmer let Rodney walk. That tells the tale.
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one of Phil's biggest mistakes
 
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Big Orange Diesel said:
Doyle, I think you are way off base on this.....Why even question the National Championship. Is the hate for Fulmer this deep? You will never see the run in the mid 90's to 2001 Fulmer had ever duplicated again at UT.
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That is foolish to say that. Do you have a crystal ball that tells you these kind of things. You act like he went undefeated in the above mentioned seasons......:rock:
 
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cotton said:
There has never been a coach that won a championship without some luck, and there has never been one that won it without some good quality assitance. Garnder was a key ingredient, but you've got to give the chef some credit; Fulmer took a championship quality team and won a championship with it. That's his job, and in 1998 he did it well.
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That's exactly right, I'll guarantee who ever wins this year will have some luck as well. It gripes my ass when people try to belittle the 98 team.
 
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bmfcox said:
That is foolish to say that. Do you have a crystal ball that tells you these kind of things. You act like he went undefeated in the above mentioned seasons......:rock:
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That's not foolish, it's a very safe prediction, and he did almost go undefeated during that time. One stretch was 45-5. The likely hood of this being repeated is slim to none.
 
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I think the ultimate cause of CPF's dismissal will be his succession of offensive staff mistakes beginning in 1999.
 
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Liper said:
I think the ultimate cause of CPF's dismissal will be his succession of offensive staff mistakes beginning in 1999.
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That is yet another reason why it may be impossible to keep a program on top for long. Staffs change, and with change comes risk. Fulmer lost some good guys, and he wasn't able to replace them.

triton1 said:
That's not foolish, it's a very safe prediction,
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I would say that it is a safe prediction that we will not see the same level of success for that duration for a very, very long time.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I am probably gonna get slammed for this but here goes... Can anyone here deny that the '98 team, while good, was also the luckiest team they ever saw? See the Arkansas game and facing FSU with a backup QB. I am not knocking the team or the championship because that night was very special to me. But lets be honest, that season was not really "master minded" at all.
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An old worn out argument. Yeah they had some luck...name me one program that's gone undefeated and won an NC that didn't have luck. No teams with losses that went on to win an NC but an undefeated team.

Also funny that everyone forgets that UT won the NC that year with the best RB in the nation on the bench with a blown out knee.
 
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zjcvols said:
Andy Kell brings up a good point, but i think we can find someone to replace Fulmer. I mean does anybody actually think Fulmer was the "mastermind" of the 98 title? Seriously?
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Absolutely yes! :rock2:
Who did you have in mind; Pontius Pilate?
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I am probably gonna get slammed for this but here goes... Can anyone here deny that the '98 team, while good, was also the luckiest team they ever saw? See the Arkansas game and facing FSU with a backup QB. I am not knocking the team or the championship because that night was very special to me. But lets be honest, that season was not really "master minded" at all.
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I'm not slamming you, but UT was not the "luckiest" team to win a NC.

In the BCS era Ohio State U, LSU's second one (who loses to UK and plays for a NC?), and Oklahoma (got routed in their conference championship game) were all "luckier".
 
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hatvol96 said:
Call it inane all you want. The numbers don't lie. How many championships has Fulmer every won without Rodney Garner recruited Peach State Stars? Compare that number to how may UGA has won since Fulmer let Rodney walk. That tells the tale.
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Garner has brought UGA exactly zero National Championships.
 
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cotton said:
That is yet another reason why it may be impossible to keep a program on top for long. Staffs change, and with change comes risk. Fulmer lost some good guys, and he wasn't able to replace them.
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FSU lost Richt and hasn't been the same and the downward spiral at UF under Spurrier can be correlated to losing Stoops.
 
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cotton said:
That is yet another reason why it may be impossible to keep a program on top for long. Staffs change, and with change comes risk. Fulmer lost some good guys, and he wasn't able to replace them.



I would say that it is a safe prediction that we will not see the same level of success for that duration for a very, very long time.
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I think it depends on how bad UT wants that level of success. How much $$$$ they are willing to pay!
 
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Teirnon said:
I think it depends on how bad UT wants that level of success. How much $$$$ they are willing to pay!
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It is not just money. The more hires you make, the better the chance that some of your people will not live up to billing, no matter what salary you offer. UT pays its assistants well, and IIRC, is one of only a few schools to give them multi-year contracts. I don't know all of the considerations, but I have not heard that anyone has been ruled out of consideration because they were too expensive.

And yet our recent history of hiring football staff has been checkered at best.
 
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1- Nebraska in 1997. If you forget the fact that they absolutely creamed us, remember the game against Missouri where Scott Frost's last second pass bounced off the shoe of a Missouri player and into the Nebraska reciever's hands in the end zone?

2- Michigan in 1997. Co-national champions only because the BCS was a year too late, and they didn't have to play Nebraska, who would've destroyed them in Osborne's final game. Instead, they played against a team led by Ryan Leaf in a bowl.

3- Heck, Mike Leach wouldn't even be relevent to our discussions if he hadn't had some luck and the Texas Defensive back hadn't dropped what might have been the easiest interception in recent history on their final drive.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I am probably gonna get slammed for this but here goes... Can anyone here deny that the '98 team, while good, was also the luckiest team they ever saw? See the Arkansas game and facing FSU with a backup QB. I am not knocking the team or the championship because that night was very special to me. But lets be honest, that season was not really "master minded" at all.
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I would have to disagree, since the Vols played more ranked opponents that season than any other I can remember. The Arkansas game.... I still amazes me that no one mentions the final game winning drive... I mean Arkansas did have a defense on the field, didn't they.... and the story for FSU was not the QB nor their offense, but how awesome the FSU defense was and how the Vols got nearly 400 yards of offense against them. BTW, FSU beat a good Florida team with that same quarterback to get into the game.

Other point, do you know how hard it is to go undefeated? I'm not calling LSU lucky, but they won the National Championship last year with 2 losses. So to call a 13-0 consensus national championship team from the SEC "lucky" seems kind of absurd.
 
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allvol said:
I would have to disagree, since the Vols played more ranked opponents that season than any other I can remember. The Arkansas game.... I still amazes me that no one mentions the final game winning drive... I mean Arkansas did have a defense on the field, didn't they.... and the story for FSU was not the QB nor their offense, but how awesome the FSU defense was and how the Vols got nearly 400 yards of offense against them. BTW, FSU beat a good Florida team with that same quarterback to get into the game.

Other point, do you know how hard it is to go undefeated? I'm not calling LSU lucky, but they won the National Championship last year with 2 losses. So to call a 13-0 consensus national championship team from the SEC "lucky" seems kind of absurd.
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:salute:
 
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triton1 said:
That's exactly right, I'll guarantee who ever wins this year will have some luck as well. It gripes my ass when people try to belittle the 98 team.
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Its really no different that the "we're one interception away from beating LSU" "One fumble away from beating UCLA" type arguments.
 
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