"Analytics"

#51
#51
My analysis of his analytics, is that his analytics produced an incorrect decision.
 
#52
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RiseToTheTop said:
i heard stubborness. Doesnt wanna change a damn thing. Lets just keep running our 5 plays on offense while every other team thinks outside the box and attacks.
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That better change in a hurry. The expectation is already out there for UT to win the East and more coaching miscues like what happened in this game will warm that seat pretty fast. It's one thing if the players make mistakes, another if the coaches are helping them, especially in calling plays.
 
#53
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DooleyOrangePants said:
I do analytics as part of my job every day. Analytics is a guide, not a gospel. Sometimes we have to make decisions based on the situation, rather than what raw numbers tells us because each scenario and its variables are different in a given situation.

But if Butch wants to go analytics, then he needs to take a look at the decision to go conservative mid-way through the 2nd Quarter. And run some thorough analysis on why they kept running the same plays through the 2nd half when they were getting shut down.
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Absolutely!
 
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#54
#54
Full backfield, Mckenzie as fullback, fake to Alvin to the left handoff to Hurd to the right behind Mckenzie. I will take my chances.
 
#55
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the team was an Alex Ellis catch away from winning. Enough correct calls were made to win. Not enough plays were executed well enough to win.
 
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#56
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He was a 1/2 yard away from a TD and had a more than physically capable RB in Hurd who had a good chance of punching it in and, even if the try had failed, OU would have had to have been forced to go 99 yards for a score.

I am not against analytics in certain situations, but you go for it there....every time.
 
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Analytics, physicality. Worry more about winning a game instead of impressing the fan base with your vocabulary! Sorry CBJ not accepting responsibility for this game pisses me off.

In his presser today he said that OU did not make adjustments at halftime.:eek:k:
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
Analytics, physicality. Worry more about winning a game instead of impressing the fan base with your vocabulary! Sorry CBJ not accepting responsibility for this game pisses me off.

In his presser today he said that OU did not make adjustments at halftime.:eek:k:
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That's just pure trash saying OU didn't make adjustments at half time. If you watch the game, you'll see that they started stacking the box and bringing the heat on every snap. Huge difference from the first quarter OU defense, which was playing back from the ball, almost unsure of where they needed to be.

Just because you say it, Butch, doens't mean it's true or the gospel word. I'm far from a football expert, but even I can see the changes that OU went with on defense. And I can also see that we ran scared with our offense as soon as got to a 17-3 lead and didn't change anything about it until it was too late and into OT.

This is one of Butch's traits that I can totally live without. Just because he says something, doesn't mean it changes reality.
 
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duckman398686 said:
He was a 1/2 yard away from a TD and had a more than physically capable RB in Hurd who had a good chance of punching it in and, even if the try had failed, OU would have had to have been forced to go 99 yards for a score.

I am not against analytics in certain situations, but you go for it there....every time.
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Totally agree. Early in the game, underdog, tells your offense you trust them. If we do this again in the Swamp this year, I will punch the TV.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
Analytics, physicality. Worry more about winning a game instead of impressing the fan base with your vocabulary! Sorry CBJ not accepting responsibility for this game pisses me off.

In his presser today he said that OU did not make adjustments at halftime.:eek:k:
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:crazy:
 
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KBVol said:
We weren't at midfield. We were on their half yard line. If you don't get it you force them to go 99.5 yards in front of our frenzied crowd vs our defense which was playing great. We also have a certain large running back that should've been relied on to get a foot and a half of real estate. As it turns out, those 4 extra points would've been in the difference in the game. Have to show confidence in your team there to win that battle and set the tone IMO.
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If you don't make it and lose everyone is here questioning the call and the failure to put some points on the board.
 
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lonelawyer said:
CBJ said that analytics went into the decision to kick the field goal from the 8 inch line. 4 or 5 hours of planning.
He says that the coaching staff leaves nothing to chance.

I believe CBJ is a good coach and is on the right track, but do any of you agree that relying too much on such logical analysis handicaps you in game situations.

Mr. Spock made an excellent science officer but...
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Please. This is clearly a lie.
 
#63
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lonelawyer said:
CBJ said that analytics went into the decision to kick the field goal from the 8 inch line. 4 or 5 hours of planning.
He says that the coaching staff leaves nothing to chance.

I believe CBJ is a good coach and is on the right track, but do any of you agree that relying too much on such logical analysis handicaps you in game situations.

Mr. Spock made an excellent science officer but...
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Yeah, those analytics win soooooooo many titles in every sport...


Oh wait.... They don't. At all..
 
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#64
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LOL.....so many opinions and not a single, solitary one qualified to coach SEC football.
 
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Rifleman said:
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^THIS^ ! Dino Babers can ram three (3) 4th down conversions on US, Week 1 prior -- but OUR analysis suggests we -- the then-23rd best college team in the world -- can't run ONE (1), with a 240lb RB, at 0-0 after a gimmee interception (very well-covered AND thank you TKJr for a great game !!) within first min of play, from our OWN 4" line, in front of 90k boisterously-checkered VOLS, in Yr 3 of Staff's rebuild, on ESPN primetime vs higher ranked opposition (which had been trash-talking our Players, Admissions Dept, Neyland Stadium atmosphere and SEC the entire game week) !!??.

Missed opportunity of sev missed opportunities -- but more importantly, Coach is choosing to openly stick with his analytics in opposition to VN.
 
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MedicT said:
LOL.....so many opinions and not a single, solitary one qualified to coach SEC football.
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CBJ has yet to prove that he belongs as well. So what does that say? His greatest accomplishment in 3 years in a couple wins over South Carolina. I think CBJ is capable of 7-9 wins per year, but that will be his max. The only way he surpasses that is to hire top level coordinators and let them run the show.
 
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I honestly can't believe there are actually people defending that. The moment he kicked that field goal I turned to my girlfriend and said I am worried because he is going to coach not to lose instead of coaching to win tonight. In the end it was this mindset that cost us the football game. Before we even get to the 4th down call, he gives the ball to Kamara aka Lightning on 3rd down instead of his 242lb "thunder" running back? Bad call. Ok so on 4th and goal from the 6in line.....there's not one elite coach in America that kicks a field goal right there. You have the opportunity to make a statement in your own building early. You score a TD right there. What is the worst that can come of going for it? Oklahoma has to go 99 and 1/2 yards in the loudest Neyland Stadium I've heard in a decade. Good luck!! And if anyone would have questioned him if we got stopped on 4th down then I have no words for ya. I want a coach who has a killer instinct and wants his offense to hit someone in the mouth. I personally would not have had a negative thing to say if he went for it and got stopped. But settling for a FG on the SIX INCH LINE is playing tentative and playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
CBJ has yet to prove that he belongs as well. So what does that say? His greatest accomplishment in 3 years in a couple wins over South Carolina. I think CBJ is capable of 7-9 wins per year, but that will be his max. The only way he surpasses that is to hire top level coordinators and let them run the show.
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I'm sorry, I forgot we were "forgetting" the bowl win. It doesn't fit the bash Butch narrative, does it.
 
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I would guess that analytics are on the GO FOR IT side. I'm pretty sure the odds would be solidly in favor of gaining a half yard, no? Also, how are you giving a team momentum when they are on their own half-yard line? Yea, they'd be excited about making the stop for a minute--but that doesn't change the reality of their terrible field position. And if UT then stops them from making the first, you again have the ball in good field position. AND: when you are playing a good team, you really want the 7 and not the 3. Kicking FGs often gets you beat. You go for the 7.
 
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#71
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Look on the bright side, when we were on the goal line against OU last year we threw a pick 6. Maybe next year when Hurd is a junior Butch will trust him to get one yard
 
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bjsvols1 said:
Hearing this is what bothered me the most about the coaching Saturday. It's always easy to blame the coaches, but even though their play calling lacked aggression, this was the perfect storm of things going wrong: Alex Ellis dropped sure TD pass, offensive penalties, Hurd's fumble, Pearson falling down on a counter with room to run, phantom defensive holding penalties, etc. etc.

However, not going for it on 4th down and using the reasoning against as analytics is BS. I'm all for using probabilities 90% of the time, but big time coaches in big games, have to take chances on the fly. Sometimes you just have to say **ck it, we're going to kick your butt and run you right over with our best. We have the players to do this now. Butch needs to take notice and do it.

Stoops did it in the end with Shepard - and it worked. Same thing with the WR's. Use your best- establish a go to guy and throw him the dang ball. The analytics crap is BS if you want to win championships.
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underrated phrase imo
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If you don't make it and lose everyone is here questioning the call and the failure to put some points on the board.
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I think the majority would've appreciated the aggressiveness from Butch. 102,455 were booing. It was inside the one and Butch had a chance to make a statement. He blew it.
 
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