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CBJ said that analytics went into the decision to kick the field goal from the 8 inch line. 4 or 5 hours of planning.
He says that the coaching staff leaves nothing to chance.

I believe CBJ is a good coach and is on the right track, but do any of you agree that relying too much on such logical analysis handicaps you in game situations.

Mr. Spock made an excellent science officer but...
 
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Would've been a great call if we won by 3 or less.......We had no idea what was going to happen in that game. Hindsight is 20/20. If we would've made the other field goal then this wouldn't even be a conversation.
 
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What does analytics say about having a 6'4 242 battering ram in the backfield with two chances?
 
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It's ANALyst for a reason.

While I wanted a TD, there is logic to the 3 pointer. You don't want to allow them to make a stop and gain momentum. That said, when the time came to stomp on their throats, the offensive coaching became just plain offensive!
 
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Look at it this way:
They go for it don't get it and OU goes down the field and scores. Everyone would be saying that was a stupid play call and should have just kicked the FG. Its a lose-lose situation.
 
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lonelawyer said:
CBJ said that analytics went into the decision to kick the field goal from the 8 inch line. 4 or 5 hours of planning.
He says that the coaching staff leaves nothing to chance.

I believe CBJ is a good coach and is on the right track, but do any of you agree that relying too much on such logical analysis handicaps you in game situations.

Mr. Spock made an excellent science officer but...
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There's something to be said about going with your gut, but if you play the law of large numbers and make decisions accordingly, you will come out on top in the long run.

Hindsight says wrong call. Same thing happened to the Seahawks in the super bowl. Looks bad in hindsight, but what people don't see is the plays that go right because of the same decision making process.

But yes... Sometimes you gotta go with the flow, and the flow was go up 7-0 with Hurd.
 
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TlM said:
What does analytics say about having a 6'4 242 battering ram in the backfield with two chances?
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Or even use him as full back and plow between tackles, let Kamara go airborne and do his thing
 
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That call was terrible and his response in the presser made it even worse. The nose of the ball was an inch away from the GL. Unacceptable to kick it
 
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then lets get in the shotgun at the f'n goaline and back up even further away before we run it with alvin. Absolutely absurd. Im all for spread offenses but sometimes you gotta get under center, line up and get a damn inch. you have a 240lbs RB and an OL that averages 311lbs. Get a damn inch! You have 2 tries. Then if you somehow dont get it they basically have to go 100 yards and at that point they sure as hell werent gonna be able to do that.
 
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Hearing this is what bothered me the most about the coaching Saturday. It's always easy to blame the coaches, but even though their play calling lacked aggression, this was the perfect storm of things going wrong: Alex Ellis dropped sure TD pass, offensive penalties, Hurd's fumble, Pearson falling down on a counter with room to run, phantom defensive holding penalties, etc. etc.

However, not going for it on 4th down and using the reasoning against as analytics is BS. I'm all for using probabilities 90% of the time, but big time coaches in big games, have to take chances on the fly. Sometimes you just have to say **ck it, we're going to kick your butt and run you right over with our best. We have the players to do this now. Butch needs to take notice and do it.

Stoops did it in the end with Shepard - and it worked. Same thing with the WR's. Use your best- establish a go to guy and throw him the dang ball. The analytics crap is BS if you want to win championships.
 
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Do analytics say that your sub-200 lb running back has a better chance from the 1 up the middle than your 242 lb back on 3rd down?
 
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chvy1986 said:
Would've been a great call if we won by 3 or less.......We had no idea what was going to happen in that game. Hindsight is 20/20. If we would've made the other field goal then this wouldn't even be a conversation.
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Or not lost 12 yards on a fumble when UT started at the OU 25.

Although maybe I should just be somewhat glad that by some miracle UT recovered instead of OU returning it for a TD.
 
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lonelawyer said:
CBJ said that analytics went into the decision to kick the field goal from the 8 inch line. 4 or 5 hours of planning.
He says that the coaching staff leaves nothing to chance.

I believe CBJ is a good coach and is on the right track, but do any of you agree that relying too much on such logical analysis handicaps you in game situations.

Mr. Spock made an excellent science officer but...
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No doubt "over analysis" will bite you sometimes. Suppose Medley shanked the FG kick or OK blocks it...then his logic goes out the window. You've got the ball on the 1 foot line....if you can't ram it in from there then you've got serious problems..

This loss can be cured by curb-stomping Florida and Georgia. :good!:
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
No doubt "over analysis" will bite you sometimes. Suppose Medley shanked the FG kick or OK blocks it...then his logic goes out the window. You've got the ball on the 1 foot line....if you can't ram it in from there then you've got serious problems..

This loss can be cured by curb-stomping Florida and Georgia. :good!:
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medley looking like palardy early in his career. The kid is not even close to making kicks.
 
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why get mad about putting points on the board you can get mad about not putting points on the board on the throw to Ellis
 
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I do analytics as part of my job every day. Analytics is a guide, not a gospel. Sometimes we have to make decisions based on the situation, rather than what raw numbers tells us because each scenario and its variables are different in a given situation.

But if Butch wants to go analytics, then he needs to take a look at the decision to go conservative mid-way through the 2nd Quarter. And run some thorough analysis on why they kept running the same plays through the 2nd half when they were getting shut down.
 
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lonelawyer said:
CBJ said that analytics went into the decision to kick the field goal from the 8 inch line. 4 or 5 hours of planning.
He says that the coaching staff leaves nothing to chance.

I believe CBJ is a good coach and is on the right track, but do any of you agree that relying too much on such logical analysis handicaps you in game situations.

Mr. Spock made an excellent science officer but...
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I didn't really have much of a problem with that call, it was early and getting points on the board were important.

His game management thing is really starting to bother me. He talked about it after the BG game, slowing things down to give his defense a rest. I think he is over thinking things too much. Have to let the game play out more and keep the foot on the peddle while the offense is working. Scoring points would help protect the defense as much as anything. Sustaining drives should be the next goal. Whatever it takes to do those two things first should be his focus. Protecting the D has to be at least his 3rd goal for the offense.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
It's ANALyst for a reason.

While I wanted a TD, there is logic to the 3 pointer. You don't want to allow them to make a stop and gain momentum. That said, when the time came to stomp on their throats, the offensive coaching became just plain offensive!
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We weren't at midfield. We were on their half yard line. If you don't get it you force them to go 99.5 yards in front of our frenzied crowd vs our defense which was playing great. We also have a certain large running back that should've been relied on to get a foot and a half of real estate. As it turns out, those 4 extra points would've been in the difference in the game. Have to show confidence in your team there to win that battle and set the tone IMO.
 
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ntxVOL said:
I didn't really have much of a problem with that call, it was early and getting points no the board were important.

His game management thing is really starting to bother me. He talked about it after the BG game, slowing things down to give his defense a rest. I think he is over thinking things too much. Have to let the game play out more and keep the foot on the peddle while the offense is working. Scoring points would help protect the defense as much as anything. Sustaining drives should be the next goal. Whatever it takes to do those two things first should be his focus. Protecting the D has to be at least his 3rd goal for the offense.
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I'm fine with slowing things down late in a game. Go for it. But at least get out of the hurry up offense before you start trying to burn the clock. And certainly don't gift wrap precious clock and possessions like we did Saturday.

That's where Butch's excuses fall flat on their face.
 
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