Analytic Approach to QB Situation

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#26
just to make sure I have it right, these coaches (and the previous ones) watch these qb's every day, decide JC is better but they're wrong?

this thread should be renamed the Stephens excuse thread
 
#28
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BerkVol said:
Analytical approach to to UT QB situation.

What do you guys think?
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If you want to be analytical look at their career stats, almost identical:

CROMPTON
300/158/14/14 52.7% 106.7 RATING

STEPHENS
134/67/4/3 50.0% 110.8 RATING
 
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Pushing my Christian Ponder / Nick Stephens comparison:

last year, as SOPH (same class as Stephens, also a fellow Texan) excluding the 2 games against the worst 1-AA teams, Ponder : 8TDs, 14 INTs, sub 50% completion %. While under the tutelage of stud offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher.

Nick - 5 TDs, 4 Ints, same completion %, under the tutelage of Clawson.

Ponder this year is on track:
61% completion, 3,700 yds and 2-1 TD to INT ratio.

Does Stephen suck? We don't know until he plays. He did not suck as SOPH IMHO. Just compare the stats with other 1st yr SOPH starters
 
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utvolpj said:
just to make sure I have it right, these coaches (and the previous ones) watch these qb's every day, decide JC is better but they're wrong?

this thread should be renamed the Stephens excuse thread
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Crompton was handed the all the reps as the returning, more senior, ex 5 star recruit by Fulmer. Clawson had expressed reservation. Stephens outplayed Crompton last year - just look at the stats, dude. Or re-watch the games.

As for this year, Stephens missed spring, and he was behind and got beat out by Crompton. I am 100% behind the decision to start Crompton for WKU and UCLA. No its time to give Stephens a chance. No excuses, Crompton earned the first 2 starts.
 
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BerkVol said:
Crompton was handed the all the reps as the returning, more senior, ex 5 star recruit by Fulmer. Clawson had expressed reservation. Stephens outplayed Crompton last year - just look at the stats, dude. Or re-watch the games.

As for this year, Stephens missed spring, and he was behind and got beat out by Crompton. I am 100% behind the decision to start Crompton for WKU and UCLA. No its time to give Stephens a chance. No excuses, Crompton earned the first 2 starts.
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we agree the coaches want to win. Now given that, why would they start the less talented option?

And wasn't NS pulled in the Wyoming game? Both aren't good but one is just better. That tells me all I need to know
 
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utvolpj said:
we agree the coaches want to win. Now given that, why would they start the less talented option?

And wasn't NS pulled in the Wyoming game? Both aren't good but one is just better. That tells me all I need to know
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I think CLK feels that QB is the one position that must have a core longer term stability, so that the rest of the team knows who the offensive leader is. That means that the QB gets more chances to fail than others.. than say our right OT Jerrod Shaw who is a play by play competition with Douglas. He claims he does it for stability and we have to respect his approach. It also means that IF he switches QB, its will be the new QBs job for a while. I think CLK was actually true to his word when he said "i didn't look at last years games". That means he has a longer rope for JC than anyone on this board does.
 
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utvolpj said:
we agree the coaches want to win. Now given that, why would they start the less talented option?

And wasn't NS pulled in the Wyoming game? Both aren't good but one is just better. That tells me all I need to know
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on the Wyoming point, yes, NS was yanked. Fulmer had just been fired, Josh Briscoe took a verbal swipe at AD Hamilton during the announcement. During the game, the team and the coaches quit. Josh Briscoe ran a lazy route, and NS was intercepted for a pick 6. After this play, Briscoe is on the sidelines laughing and not taking the game seriously and Stephens loses it and get in his face, yelling. Some folks on this board loved NS for it. The coaches did not. He never played down the rest of the season.
 
#35
#35
Posted this in another thread. I am not saying the coaches don't know what they are doing. If they think Crompton's the guy, then so be it. I like this approach to comparing them though, and as far as Stephens playing against FL, see the bottom for my opinion.

"Not sure if this is in another thread. Did you hear Kiffin talk about guys who "go out and party or eat with their faimilies" (something close to this) after the game are not guys that we want? He basically said if you don't go sulk and think about this loss, then you aren't what we want! And then I read Crompton's comment about going to eat with his family after the game and forgetting about it and THAT's what builds champions? Maybe Kiffin heard this and sent a clear message and just maybe we'll see Stephens quickly on Saturday if things go bad. I think it's a bad spot to put Stephens in, but any competitor wants their shot, no matter what the circumstances are."
 
#36
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samdavol said:
Well said. I can now, after 5 frigin days, live with that. :cray:
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Guys why are we so concerned about confidence of our QBs? Real gamers would luv to play in this game and would thrive. I just think that playing JC - a QB CLK had no confidence in to through a pass against UCLA - is the equivalent of quitting. Not what we signed up for, coach. I don't give a crap about NS's confidence. If he is a gamer, it will be a real game and we got a shot. JC is not a gamer. James Bryant at Scout has said it repeatedly - Tebow = Gamer. JC = Not gamer.
 
#38
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99bubble said:
Posted this in another thread. I am not saying the coaches don't know what they are doing. If they think Crompton's the guy, then so be it. I like this approach to comparing them though, and as far as Stephens playing against FL, see the bottom for my opinion.

"Not sure if this is in another thread. Did you hear Kiffin talk about guys who "go out and party or eat with their faimilies" (something close to this) after the game are not guys that we want? He basically said if you don't go sulk and think about this loss, then you aren't what we want! And then I read Crompton's comment about going to eat with his family after the game and forgetting about it and THAT's what builds champions? Maybe Kiffin heard this and sent a clear message and just maybe we'll see Stephens quickly on Saturday if things go bad. I think it's a bad spot to put Stephens in, but any competitor wants their shot, no matter what the circumstances are."
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99 -
I hope you are right. I just want them to compete. the answer ain't JC.
 
#39
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BleedinOrange98 said:
i've been saying start stephens all along but no one listens to me.
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Crompton won the job fair and square according to all who saw fall camp. Stephens was way behind 'cause he missed spring. But we are at a no brainer stage right now. We gotta give the other guy a chance.
 
#41
#41
here is how i hope it plays out.

1st Quarter, Crompton doesn't through any interceptions. It would be a WIN, if he as 4 3 and outs and no INTS. Then CLK can finally find the "excuse" to relieve his leader and replace him with Stephens. Stephens goes for 2TDs 2INT, we lose the game 31-17. Gators don't cover the 30 point spread. We are within 2 scores the whole game. The defense plays lights out.
 
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BerkVol said:
here is how i hope it plays out.

1st Quarter, Crompton doesn't through any interceptions. It would be a WIN, if he as 4 3 and outs and no INTS. Then CLK can finally find the "excuse" to relieve his leader and replace him with Stephens. Stephens goes for 2TDs 2INT, we lose the game 31-17. Gators don't cover the 30 point spread. We are within 2 scores the whole game. The defense plays lights out.
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So you hope he fails. Nice
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#43
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BerkVol said:
I don't get why people are hating on Stephens who, as Soph + running the Clawfense + didn't get the preseason reps, threw more TDs than INTs against SEC competition (Alabama, Georgia etc.). Remember, pick 6 against Wyoming was cause Briscoe ran wrong route on game that everyone was down ('cause CPF fired).
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Who hates Stephens? From my vantage point he's probably one of the most popular Vols right now... He's the back up to a struggling starter.

I hope JC pulls it together but I like Stephens and thought he looked extremely sharp against WKU.
 
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BerkVol said:
here is how i hope it plays out.

1st Quarter, Crompton doesn't throw any interceptions. It would be a WIN, if he as 4 3 and outs and no INTS. Then CLK can finally find the "excuse" to relieve his leader and replace him with Stephens. Stephens goes for 2TDs 2INT, we lose the game 31-17. Gators don't cover the 30 point spread. We are within 2 scores the whole game. The defense plays lights out.
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fyp... Sorry for joining the spelling nazis, but dude, seriously, 'through' is not even close to 'throw'...

As far as your scenario goes, I guess anything can happen. I'm afraid if Nick sees the field, Florida may have allready covered the spread...
 
#45
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It is nice to see a staff that respects and follows their own strategy as opposed to a reactionary stance based on an obvious inability to foresee different outcomes. I believe that the decision was made after Crompton (or Stephens if he had) won the job that they would see it through and re-evaluate based on performance after 3 or 4 games. This fits their style of not rotating quarterbacks but doesn't necessarily lock them in and gives them a realistic period of evaluation.

If Crompton fails to perform after Saturday, even he would not be surprised to see a change. Some people may feel that you're sacrificing a season to do it this way and if there was a strong disparity in talent between Crompton and Stephens, I would agree. They are close enough though that the only intangible now may be how a year-older Stephens performs on the field and given how things are going, it may not be much longer before he has the opportunity.

I support whoever is behind center and I've seen enough from this staff to have a high confidence level that they will make the right team-based decision even when faced with adversity or ambivalence. The thing that I'm most uncomfortable with is that it may not make much difference between Stephens and Crompton.

Go Vols
 
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 Stats      Pct     Yds    TD    Int    Rating    
2009    54/34     63.0    326    5    5    125.7    
2008    167/86    51.5    889    4    5    98.1    
2007    12/7       58.3    97      1    2    120.4    
2006    67/31     46.3    401     4    2    110.3    
Career 300/158   52.7  1,713   14   14    106.7    

Stats       Pct    Yds    TD    Int    Rating    
2009    4/4    100.0    44    0    0    192.4    
2008    130/63    48.5    840    4    3 108.3    
Career    134/67    50.0    884    4    3    110.8
 
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#47
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Exactly. Starting Stephens at the swamp would do one thing and one thing only. Cause him to lose whatever confidence he has in himself.
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There is good reason to play Stephens. To quote Herm Edwards "Hello! You play to win the game!" with JC we have no shot. Stephens showed last year he was capable of managing the game, which is what we need. We need a guy who can stay in the pocket to get thos 5 and 6 yard pick ups so our running backs can have room. I think before the season is over, Stephens will be the starter. As for the Florida game, why not put him in. Let him get settled in. Let's be honest, either one of them is going to struggle. Get it over with now, hen let him get his confidence up against Ohio next weekend and take it from there.
 
#48
#48
Oh no, another thread calling for the backup...

JC is our starter this year likely for every game unless he gets hurt. I don't even think a bad game against the #1 team in the country (depends how bad) will make Kiffin consider making a change.

Let's just hope Crompton gets it together because if Stephens plays, then that means the season is shot....
 
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If i had to guess, i would say CLK is giving JC one more shot this weekend. If he fails badly, i would assume we would see NS for the Ohio game, to get him ready for Auburn.
Don't get me wrong, i hope JC lights UF up. Honestly, i don't see that happening.
I hope and pray, IF JC stinks up the field this weekend we see NS next weekend.
 
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