An open Letter for Fat people.

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#126
therealUT said:
I hate people that make choices which end in them getting in accidents. Your mom made a choice that had inherent risks in it and she deserved what she got; I should not have to pay for it.
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No, I have to disagree with you on this one. Deserve is not the right word. She does assume a certain amount of responsibility, but she didn't necessarily deserve it. At least based on the story we have to work from. Unless there are details that have been left out, she didn't deserve it.
 
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#127
The Ron Mexico said:
No, I have to disagree with you on this one. Deserve is not the right word. She does assume a certain amount of responsibility, but she didn't necessarily deserve it. At least based on the story we have to work from. Unless there are details that have been left out, she didn't deserve it.
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Correct; I was using 'deserve' in the same sense that obese individuals deserve to suffer from health problems.

Neither 'deserve' it.
 
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#128
therealUT said:
Correct; I was using 'deserve' in the same sense that obese individuals deserve to suffer from health problems.

Neither 'deserve' it.
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The difference here is that an unhealthy person is making a choice that leads to an all but certain outcome. The person choosing to get on the road is not making a choice to get in a wreck. The wreck being comparable to the inevitable health issues chosen by the unhealthy person. You are wrong on this instance.

edit: Your argument would be correct if the the driver got in the car with the intention of getting in a wreck.
 
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#129
#129
therealUT said:
I hate people that make choices which end in them getting in accidents. Your mom made a choice that had inherent risks in it and she deserved what she got; I should not have to pay for it.
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:crazy:

This post is more idiotic than any of utgibbs' support of Fulmer.
 
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#130
therealUT said:
Correct; I was using 'deserve' in the same sense that obese individuals deserve to suffer from health problems.

Neither 'deserve' it.
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So you're saying someone who gets hit by a drunk driver deserves the same "sympathy" as someone who makes the decision to eat too much and not exercise?
 
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#131
slh1089 said:
The difference here is that an unhealthy person is making a choice that leads to an all but certain outcome. The person choosing to get on the road is not making a choice to get in a wreck. The wreck being comparable to the inevitable health issues chosen by the unhealthy person. You are wrong on this instance.

edit: Your argument would be correct if the the driver got in the car with the intention of getting in a wreck.
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Eating and not exercising does not lead to the certain outcome of heart disease, obesity, etc. There is a high correlation, that is it.

The obese person does not eat with the intention of getting more obese.

In both circumstances, the obese person might avoid heart disease by changing his/her diet and exercise; the person in the wreck might avoid catastrophe by staying out of a car.
 
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#132
VolsSportsFan said:
So you're saying someone who gets hit by a drunk driver deserves the same "sympathy" as someone who makes the decision to eat too much and not exercise?
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I am saying they both deserve the medical care given them if they have health insurance.
 
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therealUT said:
Eating and not exercising does not lead to the certain outcome of heart disease, obesity, etc. There is a high correlation, that is it.

The obese person does not eat with the intention of getting more obese.

In both circumstances, the obese person might avoid heart disease by changing his/her diet and exercise; the person in the wreck might avoid catastrophe by staying out of a car.
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There is a reason I said "all but certain." By choosing to eat unhealthily and not exorcise you are choosing to be unhealthy and usually overweight (barring some metabolic freak) even if there is no desire to be more obese they are still choosing to do so. Now, the person does not get in the car with the decision to wreck it or to be hit by someone else. That is the difference. I am not arguing that a person does not take on a risk by getting in the car, but they are not choosing to be in a wreck as an unhealthy, or obese, person is choosing to be the way they are.
 
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slh1089 said:
There is a reason I said "all but certain." By choosing to eat unhealthily and not exorcise you are choosing to be unhealthy and usually overweight (barring some metabolic freak) even if there is no desire to be more obese they are still choosing to do so. Now, the person does not get in the car with the decision to wreck it or to be hit by someone else. That is the difference. I am not arguing that a person does not take on a risk by getting in the car, but they are not choosing to be in a wreck as an unhealthy, or obese, person is choosing to be the way they are.
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I am not sure what role getting rid of demons has in this conversation; I will also not deny that there is a high correlation between diet and exercise habits and obesity. That said, it is a correlation and I have never met a person who has the intent of being unhealthy. I have never met a person who has the intent of being in a car wreck, either. Actions have certain inherent risks and one accepts those risks, either consciously or subconsciously, every time one partakes in said action.

You choose to get into a car and drive on a public road, you make the choice to put your life and your health in the hands of others. I should not more be punished because someone else makes that choice than I should be punished because someone makes the choice not to stick to a certain diet and/or a certain exercise regimen.

To add to that, he makes it quite clear that he is upset because 'obese' individuals get disability while his mother does not. From what I have read, the only 'obese' individuals who routinely are given disability are those whose obesity is due to physiological disorders; hence, something that is as much (if not more so) out of their control as his mother's accident was out of her control.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So you're saying someone who gets hit by a drunk driver deserves the same "sympathy" as someone who makes the decision to eat too much and not exercise?
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I care little about 'sympathy'; I am saying that one who has health insurance has the same right to medical care due to problems caused by their obesity as those who access medical care because they are hit by other drivers.
 
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utvolpj said:
sure there is (unless you think pedophiles and overweight people are comparable). It's actually a pretty disgusting post
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FTR, I didn't read the entire thing. And I realize the wording is insulting. But there are a lot of over weight people who simply do not put in the effort to getting healthy. You make bad choices with food and live a sedentary lifestyle for years, and then decide you want to lose weight. And you want it to happen tomorrow. Doesn't work that way.

Exercise every day. Make healthy food choices all day. Those two things together will get you healthy, period. It isn't rocket science, but it does take consistent effort. And most people don't want to put in the effort, they just want the reward. And it's easier to make an excuse for why you aren't losing than to face the truth.
 
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therealUT said:
I care little about 'sympathy'; I am saying that one who has health insurance has the same right to medical care due to problems caused by their obesity as those who access medical care because they are hit by other drivers.
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You should just quit and try another day. You just ain't got it today. Usually, your antagonism seems somewhat thought out but you're going down in flames this time.

Your example of equating a safe driver to an obese person is rediculous. The example is the wreckless driver, under the heavy influence of a narcotics, crashing and debilitating a law abiding citizen to an obese person. And that's kind of absurd. But to play along....

.....therealUTroll believes that repeat DUI offenders have an equal right to our roadways or else its discrimination.
 
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vollygirl said:
FTR, I didn't read the entire thing. And I realize the wording is insulting. But there are a lot of over weight people who simply do not put in the effort to getting healthy. You make bad choices with food and live a sedentary lifestyle for years, and then decide you want to lose weight. And you want it to happen tomorrow. Doesn't work that way.

Exercise every day. Make healthy food choices all day. Those two things together will get you healthy, period. It isn't rocket science, but it does take consistent effort. And most people don't want to put in the effort, they just want the reward. And it's easier to make an excuse for why you aren't losing than to face the truth.
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Vollygirl gots some serious e cred!!! Posting that people have personal responsibility and completely contradicting a couple of prominent zone tards, and not a single reply? Wow!
 
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vollygirl said:
FTR, I didn't read the entire thing. And I realize the wording is insulting. But there are a lot of over weight people who simply do not put in the effort to getting healthy. You make bad choices with food and live a sedentary lifestyle for years, and then decide you want to lose weight. And you want it to happen tomorrow. Doesn't work that way.

Exercise every day. Make healthy food choices all day. Those two things together will get you healthy, period. It isn't rocket science, but it does take consistent effort. And most people don't want to put in the effort, they just want the reward. And it's easier to make an excuse for why you aren't losing than to face the truth.
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This on every level. Personal responsibility seems to be a vanishing concept.
 
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#144
bamacheats said:
You should just quit and try another day. You just ain't got it today. Usually, your antagonism seems somewhat thought out but you're going down in flames this time.

Your example of equating a safe driver to an obese person is rediculous. The example is the wreckless driver, under the heavy influence of a narcotics, crashing and debilitating a law abiding citizen to an obese person. And that's kind of absurd. But to play along....

.....therealUTroll believes that repeat DUI offenders have an equal right to our roadways or else its discrimination.
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What is wrong with wreck-less drivers? That is just diculous all over again.

I will repeat once more, that someone who has health insurance has as much of a right to use it toward medical care as anyone else.

I could make plenty of analogous arguments. Someone who plays high school and college football has a greater chance that they will have a knee and/or hip replaced at some point in their life. These surgeries are expensive and are necessary simply due to the life-choices of the care-recipient. Do you hate individuals that played high-school football?

My grandpa was a world-class athlete; he was a backup on an Olympic track team; he held a few world-records in the high jump for his age-group when he participated in Masters track events. The man has had both hips replaced, both knees replaced, and has a heart monitor. The hips and the knees are definitely due to his choice to be a high-level athlete. Everyone else's premiums suffer for this.

There are plenty of life-choices that cause premiums to go up for everyone; it is easy to stigmatize and call out overweight individuals, though.
 
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#146
therealUT said:
What is wrong with wreck-less drivers? That is just diculous all over again.

I will repeat once more, that someone who has health insurance has as much of a right to use it toward medical care as anyone else.
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Who is arguing that? You've just made that up because you're lost in your antagonistic mumbo jumbo.

I could make plenty of analogous arguments. Someone who plays high school and college football has a greater chance that they will have a knee and/or hip replaced at some point in their life. These surgeries are expensive and are necessary simply due to the life-choices of the care-recipient. Do you hate individuals that played high-school football?

My grandpa was a world-class athlete; he was a backup on an Olympic track team; he held a few world-records in the high jump for his age-group when he participated in Masters track events. The man has had both hips replaced, both knees replaced, and has a heart monitor. The hips and the knees are definitely due to his choice to be a high-level athlete. Everyone else's premiums suffer for this.

There are plenty of life-choices that cause premiums to go up for everyone; it is easy to stigmatize and call out overweight individuals, though.
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More lame examples. You're taking a fraction of the population and trying to equate it to the now majority.
 
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therealUT said:
What is wrong with wreck-less drivers? That is just diculous all over again.

I will repeat once more, that someone who has health insurance has as much of a right to use it toward medical care as anyone else.

I could make plenty of analogous arguments. Someone who plays high school and college football has a greater chance that they will have a knee and/or hip replaced at some point in their life. These surgeries are expensive and are necessary simply due to the life-choices of the care-recipient. Do you hate individuals that played high-school football?

My grandpa was a world-class athlete; he was a backup on an Olympic track team; he held a few world-records in the high jump for his age-group when he participated in Masters track events. The man has had both hips replaced, both knees replaced, and has a heart monitor. The hips and the knees are definitely due to his choice to be a high-level athlete. Everyone else's premiums suffer for this.

There are plenty of life-choices that cause premiums to go up for everyone; it is easy to stigmatize and call out overweight individuals, though.
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1) Again, I never saw where anyone said obese people had no right to have health insurance; however their situation may cause them to have to pay more, and that's just common sense.

2) First marthoners, now your world class track athlete Grandfather; What's the ratio of obese people to those in those groups?
 
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#149
bamacheats said:
Click on the forum "endzone".
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Yes, I'm familiar with the term "zonetard". My question was who specifically were you referring to? If it was me, vollygirl did not refute any of the points I claimed.

If it wasn't me you were talking about, carry on.
 
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