An honest ranking of SEC Coaches

[Ughhh]

Fulmer's FIRST and only head coaching job was at Tennessee. You have to start somewhere.

 

[Vols5150]

Good post to start this thread. I appreciate the effort. It is much better than the normal, "Kiffin will fail because I said so". :hi:

As BPV pointed out Gruden would not rank high under this criteria.

Also, your list is titled CF experience; not CF HC experience. Shouldn't Kiffin get credit for his experience and championships at USC?

Those numbers are for CF Head Coach experience only. Not as coordinators.

VD, you are constantly saying that my arguments are based purely on my opinion. Below is not my opinion; It is the cold reality. For goodness sake man, do you not see the reality here? :blink:

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Fulmer's FIRST and only head coaching job was at Tennessee. You have to start somewhere.

For some people the start and end. Maybe...

 

[Vols5150]

Fulmer's FIRST and only head coaching job was at Tennessee. You have to start somewhere.

Fulmer didn't have to compete with the caliber coaches that are now in the SEC. That's why I put the numbers out there for you, even though you refuse to see them. That's why we should have hired a coach with more on his resume than a cover letter.

 

[utkell65]

Just say your a Fulmerite and can't stand the fact that your man is no longer coach. So just make a hole so the rest of VN can move on through with the new Head Coach of UT Football, Lane Kiffin. Oh and your beloved Fulmer was also 0-0-0 when he took over.

 

[Vols5150]

Just say your a Fulmerite and can't stand the fact that your man is no longer coach. So just make a hole so the rest of VN can move on through with the new Head Coach of UT Football, Lane Kiffin. Oh and your beloved Fulmer was also 0-0-0 when he took over.

I understand. Calling me a "Fulmerite" is much easier than accepting the truth. That truth, my friend, is that LK was hired because he was cheap and could be controlled. That is why he is here and why he won't last.

 

[Oldblood]

Fulmer didn't have to compete with the caliber coaches that are now in the SEC. That's why I put the numbers out there for you, even though you refuse to see them. That's why we should have hired a coach with more on his resume than a cover letter.

Exactly right. And Fulmer proved that he could not compete with the coaches in the league right now which is why a change was made. Any coaching change by definition is a risk. I'm sure the folks at South Carolina thought they'd be getting an upgrade over Holtz but it really hasn't been. I applaud Hamilton for making the change when he did and for taking a young up and comer for a head coach. When I look at the successful coaches in the SEC, they fall into two categories when they were hired: 1) Young up and comers with little to no big conference HC experience (Meyer and Richt) or proven winners/recruiters (Saban). UT could not pull a big name proven winner so Hamilton went after the best young coach as he saw it. All of these arguments will be settled on the field though.

 

[gili4]

This tag is a complete waste of my time.

 

[utmba93]

Or we would have gotten an earful of this:

"Gruden is nothing, nada, zero, zilch without Monte Kiffin"

That is so true and it would have been 5150 leading the charge.

 

[kptvol]

I understand. Calling me a "Fulmerite" is much easier than accepting the truth. That truth, my friend, is that LK was hired because he was cheap and could be controlled. That is why he is here and why he won't last.

Lane and his staff aren't coming cheap. Monte alone is going to be an additional million.

 

[awebb7]

numbers based on first year experience prior to coaching their first game only.

1 meyer – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 saban – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 richt – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 petrino – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 spurrier – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 nutt – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 miles - 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 johnson – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 brooks - 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 mullen - 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
1 kiffin – 0 conf champ, 0 nc, 0-0-0
auburn tbd.

fyp

 

[philly3]

Numbers based on CF Experience Only.

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

A few folks here at our beloved VN (very few, myself included) believe LK was a mistake. Many just can't seem to understand why anyone would be so opposed to this "up-and-coming" Rock Star. But can anyone honestly look at the above numbers and not feel a bit "bewildered" at this hire? Can anyone look at the accomplishments of the vast majority of the HC in this league and not conclude that LK is in over his head?

There are many that don't mind the debate and would readily admit that the hire was a huge gamble. And the VN site admin should be commended for allowing "opposing views". But, by and large, most "Kiffinites" say those that are opposed "Have no facts to back it up", or simpy dismiss the "negavols" as "fulmerites" or "pessimist" or whatever.

But I simply ask......if you know (based on factual information) that the program you have supported your entire life made a huge mistake that could effect the program for many, many years to come.....what are you going to do? Sit back and applaud it? Let the masses buy in to the hype when it is so blatantly obvious they have been duped? No thanks.

Unfortunately we will all pay the price. Both the pro & con LK-ers. The sad part is, when the light bulb finally comes on, the damage will be done. It's been ten years, and I didn't want to wait another ten.

YAWN :snoring:

 

[utkell65]

Those numbers are for CF Head Coach experience only. Not as coordinators.

VD, you are constantly saying that my arguments are based purely on my opinion. Below is not my opinion; It is the cold reality. For goodness sake man, do you not see the reality here? :blink:

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

Also, the only cold reality that I see here, is your own twisted sense of it. Explain what criteria your using to rank these coaches. Is it by CC or NC or by number of wins? Or is it the fact that Meyer MIGHT win a 2nd NC this year?

 

[kptvol]

Sooooo. I'm seeing a lot of dismissal of Kiffin's accomplishments at USC because evidently they were loaded. Yet, Mark Richt is ranked #3 on your list even though when he was hired at UGA he had no experience beyond coordinating the most loaded dynasty in decades. Also, he must not be a very good recruiter because Florida is full of talent. I'm sure he'll never pull any NFL caliber players to Athens.

 

[VolDad]

Those numbers are for CF Head Coach experience only. Not as coordinators.

VD, you are constantly saying that my arguments are based purely on my opinion. Below is not my opinion; It is the cold reality. For goodness sake man, do you not see the reality here? :blink:

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

I give you credit for your list. For the most part, it has invited good discourse. Some are slamming you but I think there may be some residual effect from previous exchanges. I know that you do not like the hire and applaud your effort at intelligent debate. :hi:

I do not think there is a way to take the list, and its premise, to predict Kiffin's future CF HC success or failure. As pointed out, NFL coaches like Gruden would not rank high on this list. Also, numerous successful CF HC's had no previous CF HC experience and succeeded. To be fair, many have failed as well.

If when all is said and done Kiffin is our HC with a staff of no names, then I would be concerned as I would any HC with his experience.

If as predicted he assembles a staff of superstars, then I am less concerned and excited about the prospects of team Kiffin.

 

[kptvol]

I know that you do not like the hire and applaud your effort at intelligent debate.

I don't. This is the first post in weeks that has had more to it than "Kiffin is a loser."

 

[BeecherVol]

Question. Why is someone that has coached 170 games, and has a losing record automatically put ahead of Kiffin?

This is a stupid thread, U can't rank 3 of the teams cause 2 have no HC exp. And we do not know who Auburn will pick.

 

[philly3]

Easy friends, the eyes above are watching the comments made about someone's post. Even if it is..........very good

 

[Vols5150]

I don't. This is the first post in weeks that has had more to it than "Kiffin is a loser."

kptvol....just what have you brought to the table in terms of proof that Kiffin will be successful (other than him being young and energetic, of course). You can say he will be successful, you can say he'll make a "great coach"....but I've given you facts and you (unfortunately) are the only one here giving opinions.....and yours is not even original.

Where is your proof that backs up your arguement?

 

[TheVol]

kptvol....just what have you brought to the table in terms of proof that Kiffin will be successful (other than him being young and energetic, of course). You can say he will be successful, you can say he'll make a "great coach"....but I've given you facts and you (unfortunately) are the only one here giving opinions.....and yours is not even original.

Where is your proof that backs up your arguement?

There is no proof either way that Kiffin will be a good or bad coach. These are biased stats that do not prove anything. There will be no stats for Kiffin until he actually coaches a game. What do you hope to accomplish with all this crying about the hire? Every one of your posts and threads are exactly the same and really have no relevance. Kiffin is the coach now, either deal with it and root for the Vols or move along.

 

[Business]

kptvol....just what have you brought to the table in terms of proof that Kiffin will be successful (other than him being young and energetic, of course). You can say he will be successful, you can say he'll make a "great coach"....but I've given you facts and you (unfortunately) are the only one here giving opinions.....and yours is not even original.

Where is your proof that backs up your arguement?

Is your facts the "list" and "criteria" you made that list from?

 

[Vols5150]

These are biased stats that do not prove anything

Bias stats? Huh?
It does prove something. It proves we have just hired a coach that has never proven that he can be successful as HC, and that we've put him in a league where, by and large, the leaders of the opposing teams have not only proven that they can run programs, but that they are in fact "WINNERS". Can you not admit, when looking at those numbers, that LK is out of his league? Sure....in the past there have been coaches that have been successful that had little experience.....but never to this extent (look at his resume) and never up against this level of competition. Kiffin will fail.......and fail miserably at that.

either deal with it and root for the Vols or move along.

I don't have to love LK to love the Vols. I will root for them regardless of who the coach is, I just don't want to waste precious yrs giving on-the-job training to a coach who should have never been hired.

 

[kptvol]

kptvol....just what have you brought to the table in terms of proof that Kiffin will be successful (other than him being young and energetic, of course). You can say he will be successful, you can say he'll make a "great coach"....but I've given you facts and you (unfortunately) are the only one here giving opinions.....and yours is not even original.

Where is your proof that backs up your arguement?

I've posted these things many times, but here we go again.

1. Al Davis has a talent for finding good coaches.
2. He's an excellent recruiter, something UT really needs.
3. He's already talked about changing the culture, which is fantastic.
4. He knows how to run a practice. Ask the Raider players. That's a huge plus that we haven't had on offense without Cutcliffe.
5. I don't think he'll put up with assistants that can't pull their weight.
6. There are a few NFL guys who have proclaimed him an offensive genius.
7. He erased the depth chart and will bring back a competitive spirit guys like Al Wilson have said has been missing for years.
8. His staff will be phenomenal.
9. He's ambitious a coach as we could have found. I think he wants to go back to the NFL, despite what he says. That means he's going to have to really achieve something special here if he wants to have his dreams fulfilled.
10. He's the kind of guy that has the work ethic to go 24/7 until he achieves what he's after.

There's other reasons. I'll think of them later. Got to run.

 

[kptvol]

Bias stats? Huh?
It does prove something. It proves we have just hired a coach that has never proven that he can be successful as HC, and that we've put him in a league where, by and large, the leaders of the opposing teams have not only proven that they can run programs, but that they are in fact "WINNERS".

You'd better call UGA's athletic director and inform him that he made a terrible hire eight years, 2 SEC championships, 3 BCS bowls, and 81 wins ago.

 

[Vols5150]

You'd better call UGA's athletic director and inform him that he made a terrible hire eight years, 2 SEC championships, 3 BCS bowls, and 81 wins ago.

Richt resume was much more extensive than LK when he got hired at UGA. If LK resume looked like Richt (at the time UGA hired him), we wouldn't be having this conversation.

"in his seven years as offensive coordinator of FSU Richt directed the nation’s top five offense in scoring offense on five occasions, top 12 in total offense five times, and top 12 in passing offense five times. The 2000 Seminoles offense finished the regular season ranked first nationally in total offense (549.0 ypg), first in passing offense (384.0 ypg), and third in scoring offense (42.4 ppg)."

Show me the money.