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Vols5150

Vols5150

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Numbers based on CF Experience Only.

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

A few folks here at our beloved VN (very few, myself included) believe LK was a mistake. Many just can't seem to understand why anyone would be so opposed to this "up-and-coming" Rock Star. But can anyone honestly look at the above numbers and not feel a bit "bewildered" at this hire? Can anyone look at the accomplishments of the vast majority of the HC in this league and not conclude that LK is in over his head?

There are many that don't mind the debate and would readily admit that the hire was a huge gamble. And the VN site admin should be commended for allowing "opposing views". But, by and large, most "Kiffinites" say those that are opposed "Have no facts to back it up", or simpy dismiss the "negavols" as "fulmerites" or "pessimist" or whatever.

But I simply ask......if you know (based on factual information) that the program you have supported your entire life made a huge mistake that could effect the program for many, many years to come.....what are you going to do? Sit back and applaud it? Let the masses buy in to the hype when it is so blatantly obvious they have been duped? No thanks.

Unfortunately we will all pay the price. Both the pro & con LK-ers. The sad part is, when the light bulb finally comes on, the damage will be done. It's been ten years, and I didn't want to wait another ten.
 
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Why would Kiffin be under mullens? Kiffin had part in two NC's at USC whereas Mullen has only one - for now.
 
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Vols 5150 you need to give it up. You should just say I don't like the Lane Kiffin hire and end it at that. However, you are entitled to your opinion and no matter how asinine(jk from a previous thread) they are, they do provide a comedic value.(at least to me) While you think you are making valid arguments, you are doing nothing more than pushing your own personal agenda of slamming our new coach. These arguments you make are neither objective or intelligent. They are laughable at best.

I hope for all the volnation, even for you, that our coach succeeds. So when that day comes, I hope you will use the same energy in slamming CLK and use it to sing his praise. But then again, you might be the type that will never like CLK nor see any good in his work.

Edit: Your list is biased as well.The fact that your requirement for your rankings are based solely on "CF Experience Only" and you have Spurrier ranked fifth!? His experience outweighs all those on that list.
 
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You can't rank Mullen or Kiffin until they've had a chance to coach. For all we know one of them might go 10-2 next year and move all the way up to third. I don't expect either to happen, but you can't judge coaches until they have a chance to coach.

I'd rank Nutt fourth, ahead of Spurrier or Petrino. Petrino's wins from his days in a podunk conference don't mean squat in the SEC, and Spurrier's best days are way behind him. If he were going to get it going at SC, he'd have done it by now. He can't even coach up a quarterback anymore.
 
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You don't like Kiffin, he is inexperienced, you think he will fail. You have made your point. You think you are gonna change someone's mind? No. So go pout by yourself until August and then watch some football. You are not accomplishing anything except for wasting thread space on this board. Kiffin is the coach, and you can't change it.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Numbers based on CF Experience Only.

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

A few folks here at our beloved VN (very few, myself included) believe LK was a mistake. Many just can't seem to understand why anyone would be so opposed to this "up-and-coming" Rock Star. But can anyone honestly look at the above numbers and not feel a bit "bewildered" at this hire? Can anyone look at the accomplishments of the vast majority of the HC in this league and not conclude that LK is in over his head?
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LOL

So because he has yet to play a game in the SEC, he is an awful hire? Meyer hadn't played in the SEC when UF hired him, nor had Richt.

Go crawl back under your rock.

Edit: LOL even further at the fact that Petrino is 4th after only 1 year in the SEC.

Your arguments are laughable at best, completely and totally invalid and retarded at worst.
 
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Seeing Spurrier at five tells me all I need to know about your judgement.
 
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At one point, General Neyland had a 0-0 record. He must have been in over his head. You have no argument. There is nothing here that precludes Kiffin from being better than all of those coaches.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Numbers based on CF Experience Only.

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

A few folks here at our beloved VN (very few, myself included) believe LK was a mistake. Many just can't seem to understand why anyone would be so opposed to this "up-and-coming" Rock Star. But can anyone honestly look at the above numbers and not feel a bit "bewildered" at this hire? Can anyone look at the accomplishments of the vast majority of the HC in this league and not conclude that LK is in over his head?

There are many that don't mind the debate and would readily admit that the hire was a huge gamble. And the VN site admin should be commended for allowing "opposing views". But, by and large, most "Kiffinites" say those that are opposed "Have no facts to back it up", or simpy dismiss the "negavols" as "fulmerites" or "pessimist" or whatever.

But I simply ask......if you know (based on factual information) that the program you have supported your entire life made a huge mistake that could effect the program for many, many years to come.....what are you going to do? Sit back and applaud it? Let the masses buy in to the hype when it is so blatantly obvious they have been duped? No thanks.

Unfortunately we will all pay the price. Both the pro & con LK-ers. The sad part is, when the light bulb finally comes on, the damage will be done. It's been ten years, and I didn't want to wait another ten.
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Vols5150,

Get your head of your tail so you can puff your crack pipe some more. Kiffin will quickly be one of the top three to four coaches in the SEC. It will take some time.

Miles won with Saban's players. Saban is probably the best coach right now. Even though, they lost to Florida. There is a big difference in 4 great recruiting classes versus one. Saban will build a stout program at Bama. I hate to admit it.

Saban - best recruiter and defensive mind
Meyer - best offensive mind and players
Nutt - had no players at Arkansas, who wants to go there?
Spurrier - lacking in talent
Richt - lacking in defense personnel
Johnson - no players, does well with the players he has
Miles - won a NC with Saban's players
Petrino - no conference titles in SEC, not proven himself
Brooks - lost to us badly when we sucked

Kiffin, Mullen, and AU's next coach status is yet to be determined. Right now, I say Kiffin is in the top three in recruiting. He may turn out to be number one at putting a staff together. The production of the players and managing the team on and off the field is to be determined.

GO VOLS!!!!!!!
 
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Come to think about it...it is nice to see a certain coach off the list. Probably worth starting at 12 on the "5150 2009 SEC Coach Rankings."

If the Sporting news picks this up, and Lane happens to win a few I see a COY award in his future!
 
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We have to remember Vols5150 is in the upper echelon of Tennessee Vol fans. He has made it known time after time how classless the Tennessee fan base is while placing himself above all with his class and sophisticated stylings.

Instead of hammering his opinions we should appreciate his presence here.
 
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Lexvol said:
Come to think about it...it is nice to see a certain coach off the list. Probably worth starting at 12 on the "5150 2009 SEC Coach Rankings."

If the Sporting news picks this up, and Lane happens to win a few I see a COY award in his future!
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I would think that wins over KY, Vandy, SC and a couple others would salt away the trophy for a guy winning that far above his own level of ability.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I would think that wins over KY, Vandy, SC and a couple others would salt away the trophy for a guy winning that far above his own level of ability.
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Exactly! He said, with the Phil Collins hit Against All Odds playing in the background.
 
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Kiffin's better than johnson, mullen and brooks. After some good recruiting, he'll be up there with Meyer and Saban.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Numbers based on CF Experience Only.

1 Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
2 Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
3 Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
4 Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
5 Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
6 Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
7 Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime
8 Johnson – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 86-92
9 Brooks - 1 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 120-150-4 lifetime
10 Mullen - 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
11 Kiffin – 0 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 0-0-0
Auburn TBD

A few folks here at our beloved VN (very few, myself included) believe LK was a mistake. Many just can't seem to understand why anyone would be so opposed to this "up-and-coming" Rock Star. But can anyone honestly look at the above numbers and not feel a bit "bewildered" at this hire? Can anyone look at the accomplishments of the vast majority of the HC in this league and not conclude that LK is in over his head?

There are many that don't mind the debate and would readily admit that the hire was a huge gamble. And the VN site admin should be commended for allowing "opposing views". But, by and large, most "Kiffinites" say those that are opposed "Have no facts to back it up", or simpy dismiss the "negavols" as "fulmerites" or "pessimist" or whatever.

But I simply ask......if you know (based on factual information) that the program you have supported your entire life made a huge mistake that could effect the program for many, many years to come.....what are you going to do? Sit back and applaud it? Let the masses buy in to the hype when it is so blatantly obvious they have been duped? No thanks.

Unfortunately we will all pay the price. Both the pro & con LK-ers. The sad part is, when the light bulb finally comes on, the damage will be done. It's been ten years, and I didn't want to wait another ten.
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Do a little research and a history check (and you will have to go way back, for sure) and you will find that many considered Robert Neyland to be somewhat of a risk, an unsure thing, when he was hired. Old-timers wondered what he might accomplish, but there was considerable concern over this hire as well. End result was that General Neyland established himself as one of the best coaches ever. I would never be willing to "predict the future" with Kiffin, but every man stands alone and each coach will ultimately be judged on his wins and losses. It will be interesting to see what happens the next few years. To me, the program is MUCH BIGGER than the coach ever will be. Go Vols!
 
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Vols5150 said:
Look at their entire coaching history in the NCAA.
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Good post to start this thread. I appreciate the effort. It is much better than the normal, "Kiffin will fail because I said so". :hi:

As BPV pointed out Gruden would not rank high under this criteria.

Also, your list is titled CF experience; not CF HC experience. Shouldn't Kiffin get credit for his experience and championships at USC?
 
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sMi.Spite said:
Your arguments are laughable at best, completely and totally invalid and retarded at worst.
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Invalid? You think the fact that we hired a rookie to go up against NC caliber coaches is an invalid point? Get your head out of the sand, Mr. Hamilton.

The only thing laughable here is how Hammy has sold this and the average schmo has eat it up hook, line, and sinker. Many "average" programs wouldn't have even interviewed LK, and no elite programs (except for UT, of course) would have ever considered hiring such as unproven, unaccomplished HC.

This hiring is a joke. Folks on here act like the other SEC programs are now in "fear" of us. Give me a break. You think any of those coaches "shake in their boots" when they here the name "Lane Kiffin"?
 
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