Ambiance

[utvolpj]

This conversation started because an earlier poster said Dooley had the courage to take the UT, but to most people taking the promotion from LT to UT is a no brainer especially if your not having tremendous success at a school like LT.

if you wish to make being a HC in CFB a career then the UT job in 2010 was definitely not a no-brainer. Of course it's a step up for CDD as far as prestige but also in pressure and exposure.

 

[UTvols#1]

What bugs me is people get upset when coach says we aren't good at something. "When it comes to running the ball we aren't a very good team. Some coverage situations expose our secondary and shows how much work we need to do to get good back there." Stuff like that. Everyone complains about settling for mediocrity. Did it ever occur to anyone that dooleys idea of good means championship caliber? I dont take it as being negative. It just tells me that until our run game is championship caliber dooley wont call us "good." Until our whole team is championship caliber dooley wont call us "good." I appreciate that.

I agree..Any videos of CSS yet ? I want to here from the Don.

 

[ob79]

Ask Fulmer or Majors how impatient this fanbase is.

While I agree with the sentiment, that principle does not apply with Dooley.

Majors and Fulmer were "UT Boys" and as much as people discount that for their patience...it is one of the biggest reasons the fanbase was so patient--especially with Majors.

 

[Volnidas]

Just because you have created some fictitious qualification structure doesn't make it an actual, valid qualification structure.

He had experience in championship organizations. He had experience in the NFL. He was the recruiting coordinator for some of the best classes in recent times. He was a current AD as well as head coach for a college/program in a rebuild. Every report from LT has been that the rebuild was going very well. The talent on the team increased under his recruiting. The facilities were upgraded as a direct result of his leadership. he left the team in better shape than he found it.

He was hired to rebuild a fallen program, and had experience doing so, as both HC and AD. The roster now is far superior than when he got here.

My point is, if CDD felt that he couldn't do the job, he wouldn't have taken it. Any person who takes a job they know that they can't do just for a (likely very brief, and ultimately disasterous) promotion is, in fact, an idiot.

Dooley had experiencing rebuilding a program as a HC? What did he exactly rebuild by having a losing record in the WAC? My qualifications for a job like UT is a successful head coach at a smaller school or a successful coordinator at a bigger school. Dooley was never any of those things. Of course any coach that takes a promotion thinks they can do the job, but actually doing it is another story.

 

[King Webbsticles]

While I agree with the sentiment, that principle does not apply with Dooley.

Majors and Fulmer were "UT Boys" and as much as people discount that for their patience...it is one of the biggest reasons the fanbase was so patient--especially with Majors.

And Dooley is a "Good Ole Southern Boy", has a southern accent, famous coaching father, perfect hair and witty quips and soundbites.

He followed a guy who stomped on "traditions" and was a fish out of water.

Had Dooley shown coaching prowess by now, the fanbase would have been plenty patient with him.

 

[Volnidas]

if you wish to make being a HC in CFB a career then the UT job in 2010 was definitely not a no-brainer. Of course it's a step up for CDD as far as prestige but also in pressure and exposure.

If ones in the coaching profession, they're ultimate goal would be to be HC at a big school like UT. If Dooley had turned UT down and if he didn't have great success at LT (seemed like he wasn't going to have great success there), then there was a good possibility that Dooley might have never gotten a chance to be a HC at a big time football program.

 

[ob79]

And Dooley is a "Good Ole Southern Boy", has a southern accent, famous coaching father, perfect hair and witty quips and soundbites.

He followed a guy who stomped on "traditions" and was a fish out of water.

Had Dooley shown coaching prowess by now, the fanbase would have been plenty patient with him.

Check, Check, Check, Check, Check, Check...aaaand check.

All true.

 

[justingroves]

if you wish to make being a HC in CFB a career then the UT job in 2010 was definitely not a no-brainer. Of course it's a step up for CDD as far as prestige but also in pressure and exposure.

Please point out the big time coaching job that doesn't have tons of pressure and lots of exposure.

 

[utvolpj]

Please point out the big time coaching job that doesn't have tons of pressure and lots of exposure.

and was in as bad shape as UT when he took it? Not sure I can think of any

 

[King Webbsticles]

and was in as bad shape as UT when he took it? Not sure I can think of any

How would it compare to Al Golden at Miami? After he signed on, the whole Shapiro mess started and he had some player declared ineligible.

This is a legitimate question. I don't remember what happened after all the SHTF. It sure was unfair for Golden.

 

[justingroves]

How would it compare to Al Golden at Miami? After he signed on, the whole Shapiro mess started and he had some player declared ineligible.

This is a legitimate question. I don't remember what happened after all the SHTF. It sure was unfair for Golden.

He talked about shower discipline, watering bamboo, youth and injuries, oh wait you mean Golden.

He went 6-6 and declined a bowl invitation due to the Shapiro stuff

 

[Orange_Crush]

Dooley had experiencing rebuilding a program as a HC?

I said that he had experience as a head coach in a rebuilding program. It is obvious that he didn't stay there long enough to complete the build. He did, however leave a team that was in better shape than he found it.

What did he exactly rebuild by having a losing record in the WAC?

No. Wait. I can see in your response that it is not obvious enough. Reasonable people do not expect a long-term problem such as a program rebuild to be resolved in 2-3 years. Carry on.

My qualifications for a job like UT is a successful head coach at a smaller school or a successful coordinator at a bigger school. Dooley was never any of those things.

Exactly.

It's good to see that you've taken you're own advice by assuming the job of "Unqualified AD".

Congratulate yourself.

Of course any coach that takes a promotion thinks they can do the job, but actually doing it is another story.

And we are waiting to see. And, by "we", I mean those of us who realize the enormity of the siruation and realize that initial results may, in fact, be the effects of the situation inherited. I don't include you in that group, of course.

 

[utvolpj]

How would it compare to Al Golden at Miami? After he signed on, the whole Shapiro mess started and he had some player declared ineligible.

This is a legitimate question. I don't remember what happened after all the SHTF. It sure was unfair for Golden.

I don't know enough about their personnel but I doubt it was worse than what UT had returning. We also had a little cloud over us from the previous group. Golden was just a bad fit for that program

 

[King Webbsticles]

I don't know enough about their personnel but I doubt it was worse than what UT had returning. We also had a little cloud over us from the previous group. Golden was just a bad fit for that program

Could be, but we'll never know. He never had a chance to do anything, because as soon as he signed on the mess started. He had several players miss significant time during this past season.

 

[utvolpj]

Could be, but we'll never know. He never had a chance to do anything, because as soon as he signed on the mess started. He had several players miss significant time during this past season.

I just meant from the rep UM had and what kind of guy he is reported to be. Like preaching outside a house of ill repute

 

[King Webbsticles]

I just meant from the rep UM had and what kind of guy he is reported to be. Like preaching outside a house of ill repute

Agree. The cultural fit is questionable.

 

[Volnidas]

I said that he had experience as a head coach in a rebuilding program. It is obvious that he didn't stay there long enough to complete the build. He did, however leave a team that was in better shape than he found it.




No. Wait. I can see in your response that it is not obvious enough. Reasonable people do not expect a long-term problem such as a program rebuild to be resolved in 2-3 years. Carry on.



Exactly.

It's good to see that you've taken you're own advice by assuming the job of "Unqualified AD".

Congratulate yourself.



And we are waiting to see. And, by "we", I mean those of us who realize the enormity of the siruation and realize that initial results may, in fact, be the effects of the situation inherited. I don't include you in that group, of course.

Yes he had experience trying to rebuild a program but nothing he did at LT should have made UT confident that he was going to turn UT around.

3 years (3 recruiting classes) is plenty of time to turn a program around, so this is Dooley's make it or break it year.

I may be under qualified to be AD since I'm still in school but even I could tell that Dooley was very under qualified for the UT job. Dooley got hired because of the timing of our coaching search and Hamilton was a ****ty AD.

I don't mind waiting to see either, nor do many of the other fans, but we would like to see improvement from game to game and from season to season. I have seen no significant improvement in our teams play in his first 2 seasons. Another thing about Dooley is he isn't a great Xs and Os guy on either side of the ball, that's why experience at the coordinator position is so important.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yes he had experience trying to rebuild a program but nothing he did at LT should have made UT confident that he was going to turn UT around.

Nothing? I refer you again to the states of the program before/after he was there. He left a talented team, compared to what he inherited.

3 years (3 recruiting classes) is plenty of time to turn a program around, so this is Dooley's make it or break it year.

What experience do you have to make that statement? How intimate with the state of the program are you? Exactly how much do you know about exactly what needs to go into UT's build? Just recruit 3 classes and get out there?

I may be under qualified to be AD since I'm still in school but even I could tell that Dooley was very under qualified for the UT job.

Well, you could say it. The fact that he came very highly recommended by very highly respected people in the coaching profession doesn't indicate that you're actually the person to ask.

Dooley got hired because of the timing of our coaching search and Hamilton was a ****ty AD.

"The timing" of the coaching search is just another way to say that the program had fallen to manure, which is another indication that your "three year" assessment may be a bit knee-jerk.

I don't mind waiting to see either, nor do many of the other fans, but we would like to see improvement from game to game and from season to season.

I'd like to see what the team can do without losing its biggest playmakers.

I have seen no significant improvement in our teams play in his first 2 seasons.

You also haven't seen our coach working with a full roster, or with the full arsenal of playmakers he's recruited.

Another thing about Dooley is he isn't a great Xs and Os guy on either side of the ball, that's why experience at the coordinator position is so important.

It is very important. I look forward to seeing what they can produce on the field with a full roster, depth and all of the playmakers back.

 

[Escape Goat]

If you get hurt on an airfield, the cleaning crew comes.

With a spatula to scrape you off the runway?

 

[Orange_Crush]

With a spatula to scrape you off the runway?

dems the props, bruh...

 

[ImportedVoL]

The bad position Dooley came into does not force him to make terrible decisions and selectively discipline players.

Link? I have still yet to hear a valid case you can prove he made a bad decision or is using selective discipline. Please enlighten us.

Because everything that happened with da'rick was quashed as BS today by his own mouth. You have made the mistake of buying into made up media hype to get listeners/viewers/followers.

And as far as decisions on the field go, until you can prove you have one little spec of the tiniest iota of a fraction of college coaching experience. Your opinion on the matter is worth less then my used and dirty undergarments.

Keep trying, one day you may come up with a valid argument if you try hard enough. lol:

 

[zjcvols]

Link? I have still yet to hear a valid case you can prove he made a bad decision or is using selective discipline. Please enlighten us.

Because everything that happened with da'rick was quashed as BS today by his own mouth. You have made the mistake of buying into made up media hype to get listeners/viewers/followers.

And as far as decisions on the field go, until you can prove you have one little spec of the tiniest iota of a fraction of college coaching experience. Your opinion on the matter is worth less then my used and dirty undergarments.

Keep trying, one day you may come up with a valid argument if you try hard enough. lol:

13 men was a bad decision IMO.

 

[zjcvols]

Link? I have still yet to hear a valid case you can prove he made a bad decision or is using selective discipline. Please enlighten us.

Because everything that happened with da'rick was quashed as BS today by his own mouth. You have made the mistake of buying into made up media hype to get listeners/viewers/followers.

And as far as decisions on the field go, until you can prove you have one little spec of the tiniest iota of a fraction of college coaching experience. Your opinion on the matter is worth less then my used and dirty undergarments.

Keep trying, one day you may come up with a valid argument if you try hard enough. lol:

So, your opinion doesn't matter either.

Good to know.

 

[ImportedVoL]

Yes he had experience trying to rebuild a program but nothing he did at LT should have made UT confident that he was going to turn UT around.

3 years (3 recruiting classes) is plenty of time to turn a program around, so this is Dooley's make it or break it year.

I may be under qualified to be AD since I'm still in school but even I could tell that Dooley was very under qualified for the UT job. Dooley got hired because of the timing of our coaching search and Hamilton was a ****ty AD.

I don't mind waiting to see either, nor do many of the other fans, but we would like to see improvement from game to game and from season to season. I have seen no significant improvement in our teams play in his first 2 seasons. Another thing about Dooley is he isn't a great Xs and Os guy on either side of the ball, that's why experience at the coordinator position is so important.

Then you havn't been watching, I saw huge improvements and flashes of brilliance at the start of last season, before injuries ruined what was a very promising season. I am still convinced that had the injuries to our best players not happened we would have been in contention for the east.

It is easy to forget how good we looked at the start of the season when we ended up looking like a pile of manure in the KY game.

But it was there, which is why they way the season ended has so many fans in an uproar this off-season. We started out getting prepared for a rebuilding year. Saw a team who came out swinging and expectations sky rocketed. Only to be dashed when we saw the best players we had fall at the exact point when our schedule hit its most difficult stretch.

 

[zjcvols]

Then you havn't been watching, I saw huge improvements and flashes of brilliance at the start of last season, before injuries ruined what was a very promising season. I am still convinced that had the injuries to our best players not happened we would have been in contention for the east.
It is easy to forget how good we looked at the start of the season when we ended up looking like a pile of manure in the KY game.

But it was there, which is why they way the season ended has so many fans in an uproar this off-season. We started out getting prepared for a rebuilding year. Saw a team who came out swinging and expectations sky rocketed. Only to be dashed when we saw the best players we had fall at the exact point when our schedule hit its most difficult stretch.

Explain UGA, because we looked awful.