Amanda Knox

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butchna said:
This case along with our domestic gems The Duke Lacrosse and the JonBenet Ramsey investigations are rampant cases of prosecutors with serious tunnel vision and an inclination to bend "facts" to present as evidence...I'm a loyal Republican who leans law and order but I'm grateful for open minds in cases like these.
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That's how the case was portrayed in the mainstream press. Do you understand anything about the Italian justice system? These things are kind of a small hobby of mine. I mean I don't know where to start. Have you read the Massei Report? The evidence against Amanda is monumental. Where do you want to start? This could take days or weeks. There isn't just a little evidence but a lot.
 
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This isn't anything like the Duke Lacrosse testimony. If this case had occurred in a major metropolitan area with a good police detective and prosecutor on the case Amanda's attorney would have had her plea bargain against Rafael and Guede to get a reduced sentence.
 
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Once you've read the Massei Report and if that doesn't send chills up your spine when you realize the evidence can only point to Knox and Sollecito then after that go to perugiamurderfile.org and read their translations of the case. Everything about the case is detailed there. They are just a bunch of international people interested in justice with no particular ax to grind and aren't connected to anyone in the case. There are thousands of pages of documents you have to go through but is very interesting. Then after you read all that you'll wonder what all the accounts in the press are talking about.

P.S.-I would lay out the details and synopsis of the case but most of you guys won't believe me if it is coming from me and it would take days or weeks. Read the findings of the facts from the judges. There is no circus involved, nothing about satanic cults or anything like that. It is just logical inference from the facts of the case. All the facts only point in one direction.
 
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butchna said:
I've read the facts that have been reported and they indicate that the "evidence" that was the crux of the case,was trace DNA on a knife that wasn't even shown to be used in the commission of the murder...discounting the fact that Amanda's DNA had a reason to be present...since she lived there...give me some of these "facts" that the Italian high court used in their bogus decision...to my ignorant mind it comes across as MAKING IT UP AS WE GO ALONG
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Would you like me to absolutely rip to shreds this statement of yours above? It would be better if you would find out the facts of the case yourself. Read the Massei report and then go to perugiamurderfiles.org. Then you'll say to yourself "I was a dumbass." No disrespect meant.
 
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Sandvol said:
That's how the case was portrayed in the mainstream press. Do you understand anything about the Italian justice system? These things are kind of a small hobby of mine. I mean I don't know where to start. Have you read the Massei Report? The evidence against Amanda is monumental. Where do you want to start? This could take days or weeks. There isn't just a little evidence but a lot.
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So it was in a colorful binder with Massei Report embossed on the cover and that's all it took huh? :wub:...the only thing I understand about the Italian justice system is that it's as organized as Mussolini's must have been...they oughta hang that mad scientist prosecutor by his toes in said honor. Next time I smh at a legal decision in America,I'll at least acknowledge that it could be worse...Columbus could have set our legal precedents at the same time he was spreading smallpox in the New World...if he hadn't been working on Spain's dime...because early Italians were as cheap as today's are corrupt/delusional. :censored: :hmm: :angry::glare::rtfm:
 
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butchna said:
So it was in a colorful binder with Massei Report embossed on the cover and that's all it took huh? :wub:...the only thing I understand about the Italian justice system is that it's as organized as Mussolini's must have been...they oughta hang that mad scientist prosecutor by his toes in said honor. Next time I smh at a legal decision in America,I'll at least acknowledge that it could be worse...Columbus could have set our legal precedents at the same time he was spreading smallpox in the New World...if he hadn't been working on Spain's dime...because early Italians were as cheap as today's are corrupt/delusional. :censored: :hmm: :angry::glare::rtfm:
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So that's your reasoning?
 
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Can we get a list of this monumental evidence? I followed this very closely in the past but not this last trial. I don't have time to sift through thousands of pages or read a report, so please enlighten us sandvol.
 
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blupotato said:
Can we get a list of this monumental evidence? I followed this very closely in the past but not this last trial. I don't have time to sift through thousands of pages or read a report, so please enlighten us sandvol.
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Yeah Sandy...we don't need a brief...just one or two BRIEF examples :yu:
 
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I won't go into any of the facts of the case but one of the myths of the case mentioned above is this myth about satanic ritual. This was initially claimed by one of the defense lawyers, Luca Maori, following the committal hearing. The hearing wasn't televised but Mignini, the prosecutor, denied mentioning a satanic ritual. And, the motivation report, written in Guede's trial makes no mention of a satanic ritual as a possible motive. It is also not mentioned in Judge Massei's motivation report relating to Knox's trial, and therefore lends doubt such a motive played any part in the decision to convict Knox. This myth doesn't appear in any of the sentencing reports for the initial trial or appeals. It does not even get mentioned as a prosecution theory that was rejected.

Mignini wrote a letter to the editor of the Florence newspaper-tablet, correcting their published mistakes about the prosecution's case. He refers to a possible sex hazing gone wrong and Meredith's suspicions about money thefts by Knox.

P.S.-The theory about the motive has changed. There was also testimony about tension between Meredith and Amanda over cleanliness issues. The prosecution posed a theory about Guede not flushing the toilet and when Meredith confronted Amanda about it, it escalated out of control. They were suitemates so apparently the bathroom cleanliness was a constant source of tension.
 
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I just find it amazing that Guede's DNA was everywhere involved with the crime, yet Knox's and her bf's DNA were absent. And the prosecutors thought they were unclean...
 
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I just hope Amanda gets extradited. Meredith Kercher deserves justice. Most Americans wouldn't think a 25 year sentence for such a heinous crime is justice.
 
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Sandvol said:
I won't go into any of the facts of the case but one of the myths of the case mentioned above is this myth about satanic ritual. This was initially claimed by one of the defense lawyers, Luca Maori, following the committal hearing. The hearing wasn't televised but Mignini, the prosecutor, denied mentioning a satanic ritual. And, the motivation report, written in Guede's trial makes no mention of a satanic ritual as a possible motive. It is also not mentioned in Judge Massei's motivation report relating to Knox's trial, and therefore lends doubt such a motive played any part in the decision to convict Knox. This myth doesn't appear in any of the sentencing reports for the initial trial or appeals. It does not even get mentioned as a prosecution theory that was rejected.

Mignini wrote a letter to the editor of the Florence newspaper-tablet, correcting their published mistakes about the prosecution's case. He refers to a possible sex hazing gone wrong and Meredith's suspicions about money thefts by Knox.

P.S.-The theory about the motive has changed. There was also testimony about tension between Meredith and Amanda over cleanliness issues. The prosecution posed a theory about Guede not flushing the toilet and when Meredith confronted Amanda about it, it escalated out of control. They were suitemates so apparently the bathroom cleanliness was a constant source of tension.
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So you want her extradited based on mythical facts?
 
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Sandvol, in your opinion, what is the smoking gun that definitively points to Knox as being guilty?
 
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Sandvol said:
I just hope Amanda gets extradited. Meredith Kercher deserves justice. Most Americans wouldn't think a 25 year sentence for such a heinous crime is justice.
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Kercher's killer is in jail...30 year sentence appealed down to 16.....once again less time than two foolish kids that got some jimmies rustled by embracing at the crime scene...act right paisan or we'll give you a jail sentence worse than the ACTUAL KILLER!...Still waiting for that bombshell evidence that's going to sway me to the other side Sand..impressive as the knowledge that NO WITCHCRAFT went on and the coupdegrace that Merideth was slashed to shreds because it was Amanda's turn to vacuum...And the convicted murderer didn't flush :huh: That spaghetti western cowboy prosecutor put out to the public that Guede's DNA was Amanda's and NEVER corrected it publicly...tainting any potential jury. Shame on any American government official that falls for this sham! :angry:
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Sandvol, in your opinion, what is the smoking gun that definitively points to Knox as being guilty?
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Sam,
Just read the Massei report. All of the evidence points to the three charged. Every bit of it. There was no evidence that would even remotely exonerate them. Not just the blood evidence, the DNA evidence, the prints, medical examiner testimony, one of the recovered murder weapons, their attempt to stage the break in, their changing alibis, their self incriminations, the police interviews, eye witnesses, corroborative witnesses, computer evidence, cell phone evidence, e-mail evidence, etc. etc. In this case it is not just the preponderance of evidence or a smoking gun but all the evidence points only at them. I don't know how else I can say it to make it more clear.
 
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Sandvol said:
Sam,
Just read the Massei report. All of the evidence points to the three charged. Every bit of it. There was no evidence that would even remotely exonerate them. Not just the blood evidence, the DNA evidence, the prints, medical examiner testimony, one of the recovered murder weapons, their attempt to stage the break in, their changing alibis, their self incriminations, the police interviews, eye witnesses, corroborative witnesses, computer evidence, cell phone evidence, e-mail evidence, etc. etc. In this case it is not just the preponderance of evidence or a smoking gun but all the evidence points only at them. I don't know how else I can say it to make it more clear.
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The Massei Report is 400 pages long. Surely someone as knowledgeable as you claim to be about this case could provide a paragraph-long summation.
 
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Sandvol said:
Sam,
Just read the Massei report. All of the evidence points to the three charged. Every bit of it. There was no evidence that would even remotely exonerate them. Not just the blood evidence, the DNA evidence, the prints, medical examiner testimony, one of the recovered murder weapons, their attempt to stage the break in, their changing alibis, their self incriminations, the police interviews, eye witnesses, corroborative witnesses, computer evidence, cell phone evidence, e-mail evidence, etc. etc. In this case it is not just the preponderance of evidence or a smoking gun but all the evidence points only at them. I don't know how else I can say it to make it more clear.
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Anything in there about shoddy forensic investigative techniques?
 
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Sandvol said:
Sam,
Just read the Massei report. All of the evidence points to the three charged. Every bit of it. There was no evidence that would even remotely exonerate them. Not just the blood evidence, the DNA evidence, the prints, medical examiner testimony, one of the recovered murder weapons, their attempt to stage the break in, their changing alibis, the police interviews, eye witnesses, corroborative witnesses, computer evidence, cell phone evidence, e-mail evidence, etc. etc. In this case it is not just the preponderance of evidence or a smoking gun but all the evidence points only at them. I don't know how else I can say it to make it more clear.
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What do you make of the ways in which a lot of this "evidence" was obtained? Shoddy handling of evidence (kicking bra clasps around, leaving it at the scene unattended for 40 days, and finally picking it up with dirty gloves), questionable interrogation tactics (suggesting Knox suffered amnesia, manipulating her words to confuse her), randomly accusing innocent people with alibis just because they fit the profile that a supposed witness described, and continuing to detain him (even though his alibi checked out) until the other black guy was captured? If the competence of the investigation isn't enough to cast some doubt, perhaps the complete lack of Knox's DNA at the crime scene should cast some doubt? Oh, but wait, she obviously was able to go in and clean up all of her DNA from the scene. She has been known to have special DNA detection abilities. So there is no doubt, in your mind that Knox committed this crime? None? You have no reason to question any of the report's findings?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
What do you make of the ways in which a lot of this "evidence" was obtained? Shoddy handling of evidence (kicking bra clasps around, leaving it at the scene unattended for 40 days, and finally picking it up with dirty gloves), questionable interrogation tactics (suggesting Knox suffered amnesia, manipulating her words to confuse her), randomly accusing innocent people with alibis just because they fit the profile that a supposed witness described, and continuing to detain him (even though his alibi checked out) until the other black guy was captured? If the competence of the investigation isn't enough to cast some doubt, perhaps the complete lack of Knox's DNA at the crime scene should cast some doubt? Oh, but wait, she obviously was able to go in and clean up all of her DNA from the scene. She has been known to have special DNA detection abilities. So there is no doubt, in your mind that Knox committed this crime? None? You have no reason to question any of the report's findings?
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Whatever. She's been convicted. And rightly so.
 
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