Alternates to the current BCS

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dukes_of_maggard said:
Source -- BCS exploring neutral-site 4-team playoff format - ESPN

Is this a joke? It seems like we're inching closer to a 4 game playoff - that would inevitably expand to 8 and maybe 16...I really hope this happens.
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I sure hope so. A playoff will be the death of college football as we've all come to know and love it. No other sport has a regular season that truly matters, and a playoff will kill that altogether and be just like the NFL where you have undeserving teams competing for and winning championships.
 
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I at first kind of like the home game scenario that was thrown out. I thought it would be cool to see some of the big schools go on the road to the other big schools with everything on the line. But then I realized the only fair way is to have a neutral site. Maybe they can be agreed upon sites in between two teams, but it shouldnt be decided because of someone's home field advantage. The best teams would be decided on a neutral field.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I sure hope so. A playoff will be the death of college football as we've all come to know and love it. No other sport has a regular season that truly matters, and a playoff will kill that altogether and be just like the NFL where you have undeserving teams competing for and winning championships.
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As an Alabama fan, I would like to point out that the regular season doesn't truly matter, and we were the major beneficiaries of that fact. I will support you in your campaign against a playoff as long as the status quo will benefit Alabama at the detriment of all others.
 
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bamawriter said:
As an Alabama fan, I would like to point out that the regular season doesn't truly matter, and we were the major beneficiaries of that fact. I will support you in your campaign against a playoff as long as the status quo will benefit Alabama at the detriment of all others.
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Sure it does. Alabama beat all comers with the exception of the #1 team in the nation. They deserved that spot more than anyone else in the nation.

The whole reason for this movement to change the BCS is stemming from the fact that in many people's minds, an undeserving team was given a shot at, and subsequently won, a national championship. What kind of stupid logic is it to see one undeserving team play for a NC, and attempt to correct the problem by possibly allowing 3 undeserving teams into the pool?

For some reason, most people in the US have this idea that a playoff is some pure system that "settles it on the field", but nothing could be further from the truth. All a playoff does is determine who the "best" team is at a given moment in a season. To even say it determines the best at that one moment is a stretch because it relies so heavily on the luck of the draw with regards to who you are matched up with along the way.

IMO, no system in use by American an American sport has a better track record of crowning its best team as champion than college football's. Do you realize that's its been almost a full decade since the best team in the NFL was crowned as it's champion? For all the hand-wringing about the BCS, it gets it right a hell of a lot more often than it's professional counterpart.
 
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Anyone who supports the BCS deserves to have their 1st Amendment rights taken away.

I'm only half kidding.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I sure hope so. A playoff will be the death of college football as we've all come to know and love it. No other sport has a regular season that truly matters, and a playoff will kill that altogether and be just like the NFL where you have undeserving teams competing for and winning championships.
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Only to those that love the BCS as is. The rest of us will eat up a Final Four.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
stopped reading after that. sorry.
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Wow. I thought most KY fans liked Bama football for two reasons: A) their fan bases can relate in terms of crazy passion for their top sports, and B) they're both an arch rival of Tennessee.

I thought UK fans, in general, if they're going to pull for another SEC football team, chose Bama.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Sure it does. Alabama beat all comers with the exception of the #1 team in the nation. They deserved that spot more than anyone else in the nation.

The whole reason for this movement to change the BCS is stemming from the fact that in many people's minds, an undeserving team was given a shot at, and subsequently won, a national championship. What kind of stupid logic is it to see one undeserving team play for a NC, and attempt to correct the problem by possibly allowing 3 undeserving teams into the pool?

For some reason, most people in the US have this idea that a playoff is some pure system that "settles it on the field", but nothing could be further from the truth. All a playoff does is determine who the "best" team is at a given moment in a season. To even say it determines the best at that one moment is a stretch because it relies so heavily on the luck of the draw with regards to who you are matched up with along the way.

IMO, no system in use by American an American sport has a better track record of crowning its best team as champion than college football's. Do you realize that's its been almost a full decade since the best team in the NFL was crowned as it's champion? For all the hand-wringing about the BCS, it gets it right a hell of a lot more often than it's professional counterpart.
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It sounds like the Bama fan agrees that OSU should have been playing LSU, and I commend him for that.

There is a major controversy over who should be playing in the BCS title game nearly every season. I agree that once you get into a tournament format, you're not going to necessarily get the top two teams in the Final. But, the controversy would go away, in the sense that the top teams would all get their shot.

I would prefer a tournament, even if the end result is the 3 seed playing the 8 seed in the Final.

And, I hate the current system.

But, I respect your opinion, because it's not based on the pure nonsense that most pro-BCS arguments are grounded in.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Only to those that love the BCS as is. The rest of us will eat up a Final Four.
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I enjoy getting to watch big time college football games from the first week of September through the last week of November. A playoff will completely eradicate that. Maybe you will enjoy watching an NFL clone where the regular season means almost nothing, and the season doesn't even begin till December, but I don't really want to see that. I know a 4 team playoff won't immediately kill off the regular season, but you'd be crazy to think that they'll stick with just 4 teams. Hell, 64 wasn't even enough for the basketball tourney. Just wait, if they even take so much as one step down that slippery slope, in very short order we'll be seeing 3 and 4 loss teams still having a shot at the NC.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I enjoy getting to watch big time college football games from the first week of September through the last week of November. A playoff will completely eradicate that. Maybe you will enjoy watching an NFL clone where the regular season means almost nothing, and the season doesn't even begin till December, but I don't really want to see that. I know a 4 team playoff won't immediately kill off the regular season, but you'd be crazy to think that they'll stick with just 4 teams. Hell, 64 wasn't even enough for the basketball tourney. Just wait, if they even take so much as one step down that slippery slope, in very short order we'll be seeing 3 and 4 loss teams still having a shot at the NC.
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You're completely full of crap when you it would completely eradicate the regular season.

If you want to stop watching because of a 4 team playoff, there's no one stopping you.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You're completely full of crap when you it would completely eradicate the regular season.

If you want to stop watching because of a 4 team playoff, there's no one stopping you.
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Did you even read my post? I said a 4 team playoff wouldn't kill the regular season, it might only diminish it marginally. But like I said, you are crazy if you think they'll stop at 4. Soon enough it'll be 8 and then 16 teams, and at that point you'll have 3 or 4 loss teams playing for a national championship, and that will be the death of a meaningful regular season if you can lose 1/3 of you games and still win a title.
 
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I really don't have a problem with 8. I agree 16 would be too many but I have serious doubts it would ever grow that big since it took this long to even seriously consider 4.
 
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A playoff would not diminish the season. It would increase the number of "meaningful" games. With 8 teams, presumably each of the top league champs would get an auto bid, meaning that each league race and conference title game would have national championship implications. And, you'd have the race to grab the two at-large bids, whether it's impressing a committee or finishing high enough in a formula. Any football playoff, whether it's 4 teams or 8 teams, would greatly increase the number of meaningful games in November.

Another reason I hate the current system is that it's absolutely asinine for a team to win its conference and then have to root for an upset within another conference that they didn't even play a game against. We can debate forever whether Bama deserved it, because more people perceived them to be better than OkSU, or whether the team that won its league should have gone. But, it's just plain stupid for a team to win a major conference with a 12-1 record and then have to scoreboard-watch another conference title game. It's like Florida in 2006. They go 12-1 and win the SEC, and it's still not enough yet. They needed an upset across the country in another league, and then they had to win a public debate against a team in a third league. A playoff makes a lot more sense than that, IMO.

A few months ago, I heard a national sports radio host say that the controversy and debate that the BCS causes is a big part of what makes the BCS great. Well, I'd rather enjoy the most exciting playoff in all of sports than watch coaches and commentators argue back and forth every December over who is #2.
 
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I would actually like to see a move back towards the old bowl system, provided the schools don't actually have to pay tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars (sometimes public money) to go to bowl games, so some dude with a crap "charity" can get a fat paycheck for organizing one football game a year.

The BCS is a crock in determining a national champion, this last year being another case in point. But my problem is with a division with 120+ teams, there's no good way to go about that. I am of the belief that every coach should have a conference title in their sights as the ultimate goal. We've had more than 4 undefeated teams in prior years as well.
 
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milohimself said:
I would actually like to see a move back towards the old bowl system, provided the schools don't actually have to pay tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars (sometimes public money) to go to bowl games, so some dude with a crap "charity" can get a fat paycheck for organizing one football game a year.

The BCS is a crock in determining a national champion, this last year being another case in point. But my problem is with a division with 120+ teams, there's no good way to go about that. I am of the belief that every coach should have a conference title in their sights as the ultimate goal. We've had more than 4 undefeated teams in prior years as well.
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In my horrible opinion a 120+ team division contains too many teams.
 
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Why don't we just use what fcs, division II and III use? Do FBS schools have a need to feel special?
 
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rockytop9808 said:
In my horrible opinion a 120+ team division contains too many teams.
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It is too many. Under the bowl system, we're essentially left with 50-60 teams who could theoretically win every game for the rest of time but never win a championship. The mid-majors need their own championship series or their own division.

rmsmith said:
Why don't we just use what fcs, division II and III use? Do FBS schools have a need to feel special?
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The only thing standing in the way is aforementioned guys who get paid tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for putting on one football game a year.

Very simple IMO; if the status quo sucks, and you want to change the status quo but you can't, you find who is currently benefiting from it.
 
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When they see the cash brought in by the 4-team playoff, the coveted 8-team playoff that a lot of people view as ideal will be on the horizon.
 
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GreveHaller said:
what if it doesnt
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More games = more money

It will happen.

IMO there is no way to strike a balance between giving everybody a fair shot at the title, and maximizing the importance of regular season game.

If there was an 8-team playoff this last season, Kansas State and Boise State would have had the same shot at the title as LSU and Oklahoma State; can you honestly say they would deserve that shot?
 
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