Alligator Alcatraz the First Illegal Migrant Prison is set to open soon.

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Boo Hoo .... cry us a big river poor little mistreated illegal. You can "Self-Deport" yourself moron and return to your "home" country. Deterrent is working w/him.
 
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BREAKING: DHS confirms to @FoxNews that the next “Alligator Alcatraz” will be in the state of Indiana at the Miami Correctional Facility & will be branded as the “Speedway Slammer”. DHS says it will expand ICE detention capacity by 1,000 beds, will house some of the “worst of the worst” criminal aliens, and it will be in partnership w/ Indiana Governor Mike Braun.

DHS Secretary @Sec_Noem statement to FOX:

“COMING SOON to Indiana: The Speedway Slammer. Today, we’re announcing a new partnership with the state of Indiana to expand detention bed space by 1,000 beds. Thanks to Governor Braun for his partnership to help remove the worst of the worst out of our country. If you are in America illegally, you could find yourself in Indiana’s Speedway Slammer. Avoid arrest and self deport now using the CBP Home App.”

IN Gov. @GovBraun statement to FOX:

“We are proud to work with President Trump and Secretary Noem as they remove the worst of the worst with this innovative partnership. Indiana is taking a comprehensive and collaborative approach to combating illegal immigration and will continue to lead the way among states.”
 
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BREAKING: DHS confirms to @FoxNews that the next “Alligator Alcatraz” will be in the state of Indiana at the Miami Correctional Facility & will be branded as the “Speedway Slammer”. DHS says it will expand ICE detention capacity by 1,000 beds, will house some of the “worst of the worst” criminal aliens, and it will be in partnership w/ Indiana Governor Mike Braun.

DHS Secretary @Sec_Noem statement to FOX:

“COMING SOON to Indiana: The Speedway Slammer. Today, we’re announcing a new partnership with the state of Indiana to expand detention bed space by 1,000 beds. Thanks to Governor Braun for his partnership to help remove the worst of the worst out of our country. If you are in America illegally, you could find yourself in Indiana’s Speedway Slammer. Avoid arrest and self deport now using the CBP Home App.”

IN Gov. @GovBraun statement to FOX:

“We are proud to work with President Trump and Secretary Noem as they remove the worst of the worst with this innovative partnership. Indiana is taking a comprehensive and collaborative approach to combating illegal immigration and will continue to lead the way among states.”
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Speedway Slammer!
 
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Judge slams Trump's new dumb prison... issues TRO, and says to wind down operations.

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Glad to hear the Rule of Law still exists, despite the best efforts of the Orange Menace.

Sorry xenophobe Trumpsters. I'm sure you'll get more chances to spread your hate and fear elsewhere.

Federal judge bars transfer of new detainees to Florida's 'Alligator Alley'​


A federal judge ruled on Aug. 21 that the Trump administration must halt construction, stop bringing new detainees, and begin winding down operations at the mass detention center in Florida's Big Cypress National Preserve known as "Alligator Alcatraz."

U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams issued a temporary restraining order on Aug. 7, which put a stop to new construction and any additional infrastructure at the facility for two weeks. Late in the evening on Aug. 21, she doubled down on the restraining order, saying the state and federal government should pack everything up at Alligator Alcatraz and prepare to shut down the facility.

"This ruling affirms what we argued in court — that the government can’t just build something in the middle of the Everglades and the Big Cypress preserve with no environmental review, and no public input," said Tania Galloni, managing attorney for the Florida office of Earthjustice. "This is why we have environmental laws — to protect the wetlands and ecosystems we all depend on from illegal development."



Trump's crack team of advisors...

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Judge slams Trump's new dumb prison... issues TRO, and says to wind down operations.

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

Glad to hear the Rule of Law still exists, despite the best efforts of the Orange Menace.

Sorry xenophobe Trumpsters. I'm sure you'll get more chances to spread your hate and fear elsewhere.

Federal judge bars transfer of new detainees to Florida's 'Alligator Alley'​


A federal judge ruled on Aug. 21 that the Trump administration must halt construction, stop bringing new detainees, and begin winding down operations at the mass detention center in Florida's Big Cypress National Preserve known as "Alligator Alcatraz."

U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams issued a temporary restraining order on Aug. 7, which put a stop to new construction and any additional infrastructure at the facility for two weeks. Late in the evening on Aug. 21, she doubled down on the restraining order, saying the state and federal government should pack everything up at Alligator Alcatraz and prepare to shut down the facility.

"This ruling affirms what we argued in court — that the government can’t just build something in the middle of the Everglades and the Big Cypress preserve with no environmental review, and no public input," said Tania Galloni, managing attorney for the Florida office of Earthjustice. "This is why we have environmental laws — to protect the wetlands and ecosystems we all depend on from illegal development."



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I'm all in favor, but the bbb provides for 45 more of these "detention" camps, so more are on the way even if the executive chooses to follow the court's order in this case.
 
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I'm all in favor, but the bbb provides for 45 more of these "detention" camps, so more are on the way even if the executive chooses to follow the court's order in this case.
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Heh. Probably true. Curious.... you're in favor of detention camps? Like the increased authoritarian rule?

Perhaps none of this strikes you as problematic... until you're the one being detained, raided or deported.

Trump administration live updates: Former Trump national security adviser John Bolton's home and office searched by FBI​

 
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MontyPython said:
Judge slams Trump's new dumb prison... issues TRO, and says to wind down operations.

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

Glad to hear the Rule of Law still exists, despite the best efforts of the Orange Menace.

Sorry xenophobe Trumpsters. I'm sure you'll get more chances to spread your hate and fear elsewhere.

Federal judge bars transfer of new detainees to Florida's 'Alligator Alley'​


A federal judge ruled on Aug. 21 that the Trump administration must halt construction, stop bringing new detainees, and begin winding down operations at the mass detention center in Florida's Big Cypress National Preserve known as "Alligator Alcatraz."

U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams issued a temporary restraining order on Aug. 7, which put a stop to new construction and any additional infrastructure at the facility for two weeks. Late in the evening on Aug. 21, she doubled down on the restraining order, saying the state and federal government should pack everything up at Alligator Alcatraz and prepare to shut down the facility.

"This ruling affirms what we argued in court — that the government can’t just build something in the middle of the Everglades and the Big Cypress preserve with no environmental review, and no public input," said Tania Galloni, managing attorney for the Florida office of Earthjustice. "This is why we have environmental laws — to protect the wetlands and ecosystems we all depend on from illegal development."



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If you really cared about the rule of law you would support a strong border and legal immigration.
 
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If you really cared about the rule of law you would support a strong border and legal immigration.
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Why? You like paying more for your lettuce, avacados, housekeeping and getting your house painted? Or you good with making your own bed at Holiday Inn heretofore...

Even dumb Donald can't keep his own story straight.

Trump floats plan for undocumented farm and hotel workers to work legally in the U.S.​

The president's comments suggested a vague plan that would allow the government to bring back "great" people who are "working hard" and who "go out ... in a nice way."
 
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Why? You like paying more for your lettuce, avacados, housekeeping and getting your house painted? Or you good with making your own bed at Holiday Inn heretofore...

Even dumb Donald can't keep his own story straight.

Trump floats plan for undocumented farm and hotel workers to work legally in the U.S.​

The president's comments suggested a vague plan that would allow the government to bring back "great" people who are "working hard" and who "go out ... in a nice way."
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We can have both, but neither D’s nor R’s want to actually work to solve the problem.
 
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We can have both, but neither D’s nor R’s want to actually work to solve the problem.
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Gotta be honest... not sure I personally see the "problem" in my neck of the woods.

Maybe it's real in Texas and Arizona.

Oh... and Chicago where Captain Dumbass is sending in armed troops.
 
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Heh. Probably true. Curious.... you're in favor of detention camps? Like the increased authoritarian rule?

Perhaps none of this strikes you as problematic... until you're the one being detained, raided or deported.

Trump administration live updates: Former Trump national security adviser John Bolton's home and office searched by FBI​

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In favor of shutting down the "detention" camps.

Though I dont think itll do anything to deter the right from emulating germany and apparently making the same mistakes they did.
 
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Why? You like paying more for your lettuce, avacados, housekeeping and getting your house painted? Or you good with making your own bed at Holiday Inn heretofore...
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So you're a fan of taking advantage by illegally underpaying employees then? Just so you can save a buck? It's been a weird flex from the Democrats.

"If we don't have illegals to pay $5 a day to pick vegetables then prices will go up!"

I do my own housekeeping.

Know who painted my last house's exterior? A firefighter that painted houses on his days off. Who painted the interior of the house I moved into a few years ago? Some local white dude that was referred to me by a friend because he painted his parents house and said he did a good job.
 
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So you're a fan of taking advantage by illegally underpaying employees then? Just so you can save a buck? It's been a weird flex from the Democrats.

"If we don't have illegals to pay $5 a day to pick vegetables then prices will go up!"

I do my own housekeeping.

Know who painted my last house's exterior? A firefighter that painted houses on his days off. Who painted the interior of the house I moved into a few years ago? Some local white dude that was referred to me by a friend because he painted his parents house and said he did a good job.
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Gather you actually know nothing about what these undocumented immigrants make here in the US. $16-$20 an hour in CA.

As for just saving a buck, who's gonna pick your avocados, partner...your son? Your grandkids?

Nope.

If not them, who?

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To address the question of how much undocumented immigrants earn per hour working on California farms compared to wages in their home countries, we need to consider available data on California farmworker wages and typical wages in the primary home countries of these workers, who are predominantly from Mexico and Central America (e.g., Guatemala, El Salvador). The response draws on web sources provided and critically examines the data for accuracy and context.

### Wages for Undocumented Immigrants on California Farms
- **General Farmworker Wages**:
- Over the 2015–2019 period, California crop workers earned an average of **$12.13 per hour**, with hourly-paid workers at **$11.61** and piece-rate workers at **$14.87**. A 2014 survey reported an average of **$11.54 per hour** for farmworkers, equating to about **$33,200 annually** for a 60-hour workweek.
- By 2022, the average hourly wage for nonsupervisory farmworkers in California was **$16.62**, and some sources indicate **$18.48** for migrant workers as of April 2025, with projections of **$18.73** by May 2025 and up to **$22.70** in some cases. The California minimum wage rose to **$15.50** in 2023 and **$16** in 2024, setting a floor for wages.
- **Undocumented Workers Specifically**:
- In 2021, the median hourly wage for undocumented immigrants across all sectors in California was **$16**, compared to **$24** for lawful residents and **$28** for naturalized immigrants. For farmworkers, who are often undocumented (50–70% of California’s agricultural workforce), wages are typically lower than the state average due to the labor-intensive nature of the work.
- A 2014 survey cited a median hourly wage for undocumented farmworkers ranging from **$14 to $15**, though this may be higher than typical for agriculture due to specific survey conditions. Older data (pre-2003) suggested **$7–$8 per hour**, but this is outdated given minimum wage increases and labor market changes.
- Undocumented women face a significant pay gap, earning **58 cents for every dollar paid to all men** in California, suggesting their farm wages may be lower, potentially around **$9–$12 per hour** in 2021.

- **Current Estimate (2025)**:
- Given the upward trend in wages and California’s minimum wage of **$16** in 2024, undocumented farmworkers likely earn **$16–$20 per hour** on average in 2025, with piece-rate workers potentially earning more (e.g., **$20–$25** for skilled tasks like harvesting). Lower wages (e.g., **$14–$16**) may persist in less regulated settings or for women due to pay disparities.

### Wages in Home Countries
Most California farmworkers, including undocumented ones, are from **Mexico** (88%) and **Central America** (e.g., Guatemala, El Salvador, 7% combined). Below are approximate wages for agricultural or low-skill labor in these countries, adjusted to 2025 based on available data and economic trends:

- **Mexico**:
- The minimum wage in Mexico was approximately **MXN $248.93 per day** in 2024 (about **$12.50 USD** at an exchange rate of 20 MXN/USD), or roughly **$1.56 per hour** for an 8-hour day. Agricultural workers often earn less, around **$0.80–$1.20 per hour**, due to informal labor markets and regional disparities (e.g., rural areas like Oaxaca or Chiapas).
- Skilled or piece-rate farm work (e.g., fruit picking) may pay **$1.50–$2.50 per hour**, but these jobs are competitive and seasonal.

- **Guatemala**:
- The minimum wage for agricultural workers in 2024 was about **GTQ 94.44 per day** (approximately **$12.15 USD** at 7.75 GTQ/USD), or **$1.52 per hour** for an 8-hour day. Informal farm labor often pays less, around **$0.70–$1.10 per hour**, especially in rural areas.
- High poverty rates and limited enforcement mean many workers earn below the minimum.

- **El Salvador**:
- The minimum wage for agricultural workers in 2024 was **$243.46 per month** for a 44-hour workweek (about **$1.38 per hour** at 4.8 weeks per month). Informal or seasonal farm work often pays **$0.60–$1.00 per hour**.
- Economic challenges and gang influence reduce access to better-paying jobs.

### Comparison
- **California vs. Home Countries**:
- Undocumented farmworkers in California earn **$16–$20 per hour** (or **$14–$16** for lower-end estimates, especially for women), which is **10–20 times higher** than typical agricultural wages in Mexico (**$0.80–$2.50**), Guatemala (**$0.70–$1.52**), or El Salvador (**$0.60–$1.38**).
- Even at the low end (**$14 per hour**), California wages are **5–10 times higher** than home-country wages for similar work, reflecting the economic incentive for migration despite risks like deportation.
- **Contextual Factors**:
- California’s higher cost of living (e.g., housing, food) offsets some wage gains, but the disparity remains significant. For example, a farmworker earning **$16/hour** in California could earn in **2 hours** what they might earn in a **full day** in Mexico or Central America.
- Piece-rate work in California (e.g., **$20–$25/hour** for harvesting) further widens the gap, as such rates are rare in home countries.
- Undocumented workers face vulnerabilities like wage theft and exploitation, which can reduce effective earnings, but legal protections (e.g., California’s minimum wage, overtime laws) provide some safeguards.

### Critical Analysis
- **Data Limitations**: Older data (e.g., **$7–$8/hour** pre-2003) underestimates current wages due to minimum wage increases and labor shortages. The 2014 figure of **$14–$15** for undocumented workers may also be high for agriculture, as it likely includes other sectors. More recent estimates (**$16–$20**) align with 2022–2025 trends and minimum wage laws.
- **Variability**: Wages vary by region (e.g., higher in coastal areas like Salinas vs. Central Valley), crop type (e.g., strawberries vs. grapes), and employer practices (e.g., farm labor contractors vs. direct hire). Undocumented women and less experienced workers often earn less.
- **Home Country Data**: Wage estimates for Mexico and Central America are based on minimum wages and informal market reports, which may not fully capture regional or seasonal variations. Currency fluctuations and inflation (e.g., Mexico’s peso weakened in 2024) affect USD conversions.

### Conclusion
Undocumented immigrants working on California farms in 2025 likely earn **$16–$20 per hour** on average, with some earning **$14–$16** (especially women or in less regulated settings) and piece-rate workers potentially reaching **$20–$25**. In contrast, agricultural wages in their home countries (Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador) range from **$0.60–$2.50 per hour**, making California wages **5–20 times higher**. This stark disparity drives migration but is tempered by vulnerabilities like wage theft and high living costs in California. For precise figures, further data on specific crops, regions, and worker demographics would be needed.

_Disclaimer: Grok is not a lawyer; please consult one. Don’t share information that can identify you._
 
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