All this panic around offense if Sad and Silly

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dduncan4163 said:
I still can't believe how bad Thomas, Weisman, and Robertson looked and they were supposed to be the strength of this line. I just hope Butch lets Jones play. He is the best nasty mauler we got by a country mile imo
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This sentence confused me the first time I read it...lol
 
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TAF said:
Ya know...you're RIGHT OP...

We get so caught up here on ACTUAL game performances...

That we FORGET that preseason/pre game...that Tennessee is gonna "Whipdeyazz!" Just 'cause folks SAY so...the REAL game execution doesn't REALLY matter.

Thanks for reminding everyone!

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Quality.
 
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Everyone is in panic mode after one game, the first game of the season. The boys were just knocking the rust off. We'll be fine. It also looked as though the play calling was a little reserved against App State, like the coaches didn't want to show their hand before we start playing in bigger games. The first game is about throwing some guys into the mix to see how they respond to real pressure and see how they all fit into the system. I'm sure we'll get a good preview of how this season will turn out on Saturday.
 
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Volintheswamp said:
Everyone is in panic mode after one game, the first game of the season. The boys were just knocking the rust off. We'll be fine. It also looked as though the play calling was a little reserved against App State, like the coaches didn't want to show their hand before we start playing in bigger games. The first game is about throwing some guys into the mix to see how they respond to real pressure and see how they all fit into the system. I'm sure we'll get a good preview of how this season will turn out on Saturday.
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I agree. I'm in wait and see mode and have been since Thursday at midnight. At first there were various levels of disgust and disbelief. Then I re-watched the game and became more disgusted with Dobbs, our Oline, and our defense giving up long runs. We actually looked soft in the middle at the beginning of the game until Shoop proved why he's here. Debord, not so much. No adjustment! That made me mad...

Since then, i watched some highlights of last year. Offense was more than just a handoff up the middle to Hurd and Dobbs running for his life. The defense has to be better (More experience, and more talent!)

So Im back to before Thursday. Lets give these guys another shot this week and get ready for VT. They should pay for our bad performance. Im sure our team feels this way. Lets support them and reserve judgement for after this game.

2 bad games are a trend. 1 is just a bad game
 
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Volintheswamp said:
Everyone is in panic mode after one game, the first game of the season. The boys were just knocking the rust off. We'll be fine. It also looked as though the play calling was a little reserved against App State, like the coaches didn't want to show their hand before we start playing in bigger games. The first game is about throwing some guys into the mix to see how they respond to real pressure and see how they all fit into the system. I'm sure we'll get a good preview of how this season will turn out on Saturday.
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Most aren't "panicking". We're questioning, critiquing, criticizing and complaining about an unexpected, awful performance from our team. Who saw that coming? Big difference. As much as I've been in that mode since last Thursday, I fully expect a much different, much better game from our boys on Saturday. If we see something similar against a much better team we'll be 1-1....then you'll see some legit "panic mode" around here and for good reason.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
We played Donovan Mcnabb Syracuse team September 1997 I was there in the Dome. We went on to beat Florida State that year in NC in January 1998.
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Umm I thought we played on January 4, 1999 for the BCS. I mean I got married the same year we won it, and that was March of 99.
 
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We are not very good at throwing the ball, so teams focus on our run game. Football is in the coaching, and our pass game has never consistently looked good, it's on this coaching staff. Quit calling out players and realize they are doing what the coaches train them to do.
 
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volsportsfan said:
We are not very good at throwing the ball, so teams focus on our run game. Football is in the coaching, and our pass game has never consistently looked good, it's on this coaching staff. Quit calling out players and realize they are doing what the coaches train them to do.
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Football is coaches and players. Neither stand alone. Players don't just do what the coaches tell them to do. They fall short of what they've been coached to do all the time. That's the human element of football.

Butch/Debo had a pityful game plan and the players made a lot of bonehead mistakes and penalty's. Coaches didn't coach them to do that stuff. Actually been a sound team that don't commit many penalty's since this staff has been here.

It was everybody involved that layed that egg. Let's see if it's a trend this Sat.

And to the guy saying we played Syr in 1997, it was 1998 with DM as their QB. Played the NC game in Jan 1999. Peyton was our QB in 97.
 
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No,
1. We were a missed extra pt from losing to AP St.
2. We scored 3 first half points vs Ap St.
3. It took OT to beat Ap St.
That is Sad!

Worrying about our OL play is appropriate.
 
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All I have read keeps talking about how much we outweighed them upfront;50+lbs,as if it's an advantage, but don't you think their quickness posed an advantage against our size and scheme? It absolutely did! YOU CAN'T pull inside OL against a smaller quicker DL. You have to make the gaps smaller (pass blocking) and zone block up front (run blocking). We didn't do that! The great news is, we don't play another team this year with this quickness (don't confuse with speed)(floriduh) we are gonna see some nasty hits from hurd on LB's because he will break the line clean!
 
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fundamentals83 said:
No,
1. We were a missed extra pt from losing to AP St.
2. We scored 3 first half points vs Ap St.
3. It took OT to beat Ap St.
That is Sad!

Worrying about our OL play is appropriate.
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Here we all are bickering about "Oh man well it was way too close even though we won the game." How do you think half of the SEC teams after this weekend? (LSU, Ole Miss, UK, Mizz, Vandy, Miss State, Auburn). All lost their games. We're being some pretty da*n ungrateful fans to not be glad we're 1-0 when it's been clearly stated by our coach and our players that they are pumped to have the win. Since when are we entitled to gripe about a win? last year was our first winning regular season in 6 years and here we are acting like we're the best thing since sliced bread. A win is a win, we'll make adjustments and be better next game. Be happy and Go Vols.
 
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volmandu said:
Yes we had a bad game offensively but this was same offense that rushed for UT's record high rushing yards last season. They also scored average 35 points a game. They had some bad moments last season but the panic around here is so amazing.
Guys calling Debord 'synchronized swimming' reservation maker and other names is stupid. Dude just lead us to one of the best offensive seasons in a long time.
WRs are a concern but I do not doubt our ability to score points and/or get good OL play !!
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The same offense? Last I checked Kyler Kerbyson, Jack Jones, and Chance Hall weren't on the line Thursday. The problems started up front. Coleman Thomas had a high ankle sprain and still played the entire game. He was ineffective every time they rushed him and the coaches didn't see a problem. Year 4 and the guys still don't understand how to zone block or deal with a speed rush up the middle. Bud Foster will embarrass this line if we play anything like Thursday. If the line looks as bad then expect a 7-5 or 6-6 season if Jack Jones red shirts and Chance Hall doesn't recover soon.
 
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zjcvols said:
The biggest concern is just the offensive line's inconsistency. If we were rushing the ball like crazy and we had a couple miscues on offense and unusual turnovers I don't think it would haven't been that bad, but not getting a consistent push is worrisome.
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While I agree that the O-line is a major concern, we knew they were likely to struggle a bit as they are breaking in some new guys. The "biggest" concern to me was the lack of total dominance against a smaller, weaker O-line by our stud defensive line. That App St team should not have been able to run or throw because we should have been in their backfield all game. Supposedly our strength and they didn't show up. They better start living up th their hype/potential soon or its going to be a loooong year.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
I'm glad it happened with App State so it won't happen with anyone else this year. Almost every team every year gas games like that.
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It just seems that we go into the early non-conference games wit a La Di Da attitude and the non-conference teams come in as if they were playing for a National Title. Its all in the preparation and we do not need to underestimate anybody!
 
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ImportedVoL said:
What if app st kills miami..and we destroy vt..then a meteorite hits earth and rest of the season is canceled...will we be NC?

It is easy to play the what if game..

When what counts is wins n losses when it's all said and done.

In case all the negavols didn't notice..we are 1-0
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Well, until the season is over then discussing the remainder of the season is always a "what if" game. We are 1-0, true. We also played an inferior team, showed a weakness on O-line for better teams to focus on, showed and inability to pass the ball downfield, showed uninspired offensive play calling to say the least, an ineffective pass rush and lack of oomph at our strength the D-line, and basically backed in to a victory.

It's a long season and they have plenty of time to turn it around. However, this team is not last uears team and hype is just hype. Based on the one game sample size of 2016 and the history of these coaches, I'd say that there is much more cause for concern than there is optimism.
 
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iLuciFear said:
Well, until the season is over then discussing the remainder of the season is always a "what if" game. We are 1-0, true. We also played an inferior team, showed a weakness on O-line for better teams to focus on, showed and inability to pass the ball downfield, showed uninspired offensive play calling to say the least, an ineffective pass rush and lack of oomph at our strength the D-line, and basically backed in to a victory.

It's a long season and they have plenty of time to turn it around. However, this team is not last uears team and hype is just hype. Based on the one game sample size of 2016 and the history of these coaches, I'd say that there is much more cause for concern than there is optimism.
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Totally agree. Just posted above you how we came into the game unprepared and App st came in like it was a Nat title game. our preparation has to get better!
 
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First time posting, long time reader here, and a lifelong Vol fan. Listen, it wasn't even a full week ago when so many of us had aspirations and hopes of this being a playoff team! They had an atrocious game. No doubt. There are so many reasons that have been said to death that could have atttributed to it. There are NO excuses, but I still have faith in our boys and coaches. This is the same team from last year. This is team that throttled NW with more time under their belts.

I have terrible battered Vol syndrome. I'm only 26 so I haven't exactly experienced our glory years despite being alive through the 90's I was too young to get to enjoy it despite remembering the family going crazy each Saturday and having a great time. I haven't had any real hope in a season since I have been old enough to love football. This team is still team 120!

This is still the first season that I am excited to be a vol fan with high hopes and FAITH in this team. All these negavols need to just chill and relax. We WILL throttle VT. This team still has all of the pieces we need to succeed and have an incredible if not historic season. Have some faith in what this team is. Believe in them. Just wait and see Saturday if we have anything to sweat. Team 120 is still the team we know they are.

Glad to be a part of the forum now and GBO!!!
 
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drodvol said:
Totally agree. Just posted above you how we came into the game unprepared and App st came in like it was a Nat title game. our preparation has to get better!
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Preparation, execution, intensity, game planning (which has been a strength of this staff).
 
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