All-SEC Team From the BCS Era -- Chris Low

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Lawrence Wright
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When comparing PRO-STYLE quarterbacks, how the do in the PRO's is the ultimate revelation of their ability.


Using you guys' logic, Greg McElroy was a better college QB than Andrew Luck.


Now, we may be arguing semantics, as I won't deny that Wuerrful accomplished more in college, which may be all you're arguing.

But was Danny Wuerrful ever, at ANY point in his life, a better quarterback than Peyton Manning? Not unless you have loads of illegal substances in your bloodstream.

There is a reason Manning was drafted first overall and Wuerrfel was drafted in the fourth round after their respective COLLEGE careers. They were both Pro-Style, so it had nothing to do with systems. It had everything to do with ability.
 
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idiotman82 said:
When comparing PRO-STYLE quarterbacks, how the do in the PRO's is the ultimate revelation of their ability.


Using you guys' logic, Greg McElroy was a better college QB than Andrew Luck.


Now, we may be arguing semantics, as I won't deny that Wuerrful accomplished more in college, which may be all you're arguing.

But was Danny Wuerrful ever, at ANY point in his life, a better quarterback than Peyton Manning? Not unless you have loads of illegal substances in your bloodstream.

There is a reason Manning was drafted first overall and Wuerrfel was drafted in the fourth round after their respective COLLEGE careers. They were both Pro-Style, so it had nothing to do with systems. It had everything to do with ability.
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so, by that logic, matthew stafford, jamarcus russell, alex smith, david carr, tim couch, drew bledsoe, jeff george, troy aikman, vinny testeverde, steve bartkowski, and terry bradshaw were all better college qb's than danny wuerffel because they were all drafted #1 overall in the nfl draft.

sorry, that isn't the case.

the success a player has at the nfl level and the qualities of a player that may translate into making them a better professional player does not necessarily make them a better collegiate player.

do you really think for one second that if i could put the 96 gators back on the field that i would rather have 21 year old terry bradshaw or 21 year old matt stafford to run that offense over 21 year old danny wuerffel?

hell no.

arian foster is arguably the best running back in professional football right now. i would say adrian peterson, but you could make an argument for foster.

if i were to make a list of the top 20 college backs to play in the sec (not even all of college football, just the sec) since the year 2000 (not all time, just since 2000), arian foster doesn't even make the list nor does he come close.
 
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99gator said:
so, by that logic, matthew stafford, jamarcus russell, alex smith, david carr, tim couch, drew bledsoe, jeff george, troy aikman, vinny testeverde, steve bartkowski, and terry bradshaw were all better college qb's than danny wuerffel because they were all drafted #1 overall in the nfl draft.

sorry, that isn't the case.

the success a player has at the nfl level and the qualities of a player that may translate into making them a better professional player does not necessarily make them a better collegiate player.

do you really think for one second that if i could put the 96 gators back on the field that i would rather have 21 year old terry bradshaw or 21 year old matt stafford to run that offense over 21 year old danny wuerffel?

hell no.

arian foster is arguably the best running back in professional football right now. i would say adrian peterson, but you could make an argument for foster.

if i were to make a list of the top 20 college backs to play in the sec (not even all of college football, just the sec) since the year 2000 (not all time, just since 2000), arian foster doesn't even make the list nor does he come close.
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Quality. :good!:
 
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99gator said:
the success a player has at the nfl level and the qualities of a player that may translate into making them a better professional player does not necessarily make them a better collegiate player.
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Consider this:

A college QB can have great stats without having great ability by:

1) Throwing to future NFL draftees at the receiver position..
2) Having a superior running game, drawing the defense in and opening up the pass.
3) Playing on an athletically superior team against much weaker competition.
4) Playing in an offense happy conference.
5) Being in a system that produces gaudy passing numbers.

I would say that 1-3 definitely apply to Wuerffel, possibly number 5.

Look, it's pretty simple that playing at Florida when he did made him look a lot better than he really was. He got exposed at the pro level when his receivers weren't out athleting the defensive backs and he had to make some throws and read some defenses.

At the end of the day, he was in the right place at the right time. People thought he was great, turns out he was an average QB on great florida teams. Shocking.
 
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I think it is pretty telling that Manning went #1 and is an all-time great in both college and the NFL, while D. W. Went late and flamed out. But, I find it foolish that the UT people can't see why you would want him over Peyton when it is glaringly obvious how perfect he was for Steve Spurrier and that offense.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And Spurrier never won a national title, or played for a national title without Wuerffel.

But by all means keep the hate alive.
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I didn't use a "crapped the bed" comment so you can get lost if you think I am fueling the fire you helped create.


Unlike DW, Spurrier has gone on to succeed elsewhere in his football career. DW took one step outside of Gainesville and vanished off of the face of the earth.
 
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As much as I STRONGLY dislike UF, at least Jesse Palmer makes sense, sometimes. DP, #notsomuch#.
 
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Thunndarr said:
Consider this:

A college QB can have great stats without having great ability by:

1) Throwing to future NFL draftees at the receiver position..
2) Having a superior running game, drawing the defense in and opening up the pass.
3) Playing on an athletically superior team against much weaker competition.
4) Playing in an offense happy conference.
5) Being in a system that produces gaudy passing numbers.

I would say that 1-3 definitely apply to Wuerffel, possibly number 5.

Look, it's pretty simple that playing at Florida when he did made him look a lot better than he really was. He got exposed at the pro level when his receivers weren't out athleting the defensive backs and he had to make some throws and read some defenses.

At the end of the day, he was in the right place at the right time. People thought he was great, turns out he was an average QB on great florida teams. Shocking.
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1-3 apply to DW. 4 is why the rest of the conference was so far behind initially. 5 is the epitome of CSS (the original "visored" one). Good list. The all time SEC qb list goes Timmy, Manning, Newton, Zeier and Couch in my opinion (order how you like, Timmy is #1 to me :eek:hmy: ). I don't even want DW over Casey Clausen for god sakes! They (DW and SS) are responsible for the change in our league and some would say college football in general. They get EVERY bit of respect for that. Period. But, if I was starting a team today, DW is not my first pick. Not at all.
 
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99gator said:
no way in hell.

for most of his career, peyton manning wasn't even the best qb in the sec while he was playing
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Do what? You think Danny noodle arm wuerfferlll whatever the hell his name is was better? Guy played on a better team, damn sure wasn't the best qb.
 
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99gator said:
so, by that logic, matthew stafford, jamarcus russell, alex smith, david carr, tim couch, drew bledsoe, jeff george, troy aikman, vinny testeverde, steve bartkowski, and terry bradshaw were all better college qb's than danny wuerffel because they were all drafted #1 overall in the nfl draft.

sorry, that isn't the case.

the success a player has at the nfl level and the qualities of a player that may translate into making them a better professional player does not necessarily make them a better collegiate player.

do you really think for one second that if i could put the 96 gators back on the field that i would rather have 21 year old terry bradshaw or 21 year old matt stafford to run that offense over 21 year old danny wuerffel?

hell no(but I should).

arian foster is arguably the best running back in professional football right now. i would say adrian peterson, but you could make an argument for foster.

if i were to make a list of the top 20 college backs to play in the sec (not even all of college football, just the sec) since the year 2000 (not all time, just since 2000), arian foster doesn't even make the list nor does he come close.
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DW was not the best player in 96 (SEC or Florida). He won the Heistman by being the most high profile player on the best team. All of those Qb's listed were better pro's than DW, except Jamarcus Russell. And that ain't even close. DW was the beneficiary of an innovative offense and a slew of athletes on defense that made it hard on teams to score against UF. They got ahead early and the rout was on most times. I have nothing but respect for UF (we are still enemies of course :p). -- Now, on to Arian Fumble. He of the multiple 200 yard games as a freshman. He did however fumble away some big games for us though (UCLA and UF). Now he is on a pro team with the best wideout and a splendid line. There is not much reason he should not get yards. But so does Tate. And so would anybody else on that particular team. Foster does not compare physically to AP or a MJD. He is just a good solid back on a good team. He is probably top 10 in your time frame. Could have been even higher.
 
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My goodness, I guess some of you consider Hershel Walker not to be one of the best college running backs ever since his pro career was pretty tame.

Take off your freakin' orange colored glasses.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
My goodness, I guess some of you consider Hershel Walker not to be one of the best college running backs ever since his pro career was pretty tame.

Take off your freakin' orange colored glasses.
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And here I was almost convinced the best measure of how great a college QB was is based on what he accomplished after leaving college.
 
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