All my friends say, “Look at that Defense, aren’t you happy?”

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93TNVol said:
Good try bro, but you would have better luck convincing a telephone pole to think rationally than SpaceCoast. :eek:lol:
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i'm completely rational dude. you already have your kneepads out and our hc is still working in Tuscaloosa. i'll wait for proof he is all in, a'ight?
 
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volfan102455 said:
I prefer to wait to see the product on the field this fall before labeling these coaches as great. This is not a staff that will have coached together as a unit before. That can be good, if Pruitt is a good visionary as a HC. Or it can backfire badly if the visions of each get in the way.

Same is true of players - just because you have 22 5* players on the field doesn't mean you will win. Those players must be in lock step with each other.

Some of you who are lauding the coaches right now are going to be the first to label them as idiots when they do something you don't agree with next season.
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yup.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
On that we agree.

Actually I don't think we disagree on all that much.
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probably not.

Dooley nor butch never really passed the eye test with me. i was pretty optimistic early on with Butch, but the way 2015 season played out.....i knew...didn't want to, but i did. and the follow up in 2016 sealed it (under better administrative situation, i'm not sure CBJ sees the 2017 season imo).

this staff as it stands right now, with the only available info available to us, is passing the eye test.

it's january. we have NSD coming up, and an opportunity to build some pretty good momentum going in to spring.

this is going to be another long off season though, because in the end, what happens on the field will dictate. and it's year one, so that will require some level of patience as well.

so i'm trying to exercise that, i'm pretty optimistic given the type of recruiting they're doing compared to what we've seen in the past. and most of this staff comes in with really good reputations for being good football coaches.

we have enough negative history the past 10 years. we have enough drama with the coaching search/AD fiasco.

so i don't see the need in pointing every single possible way we will fail or why we'll suck or why we can't/won't succeed. and it's hard, because it's been so long, we're just used to it going the other way. we've been desensitized to winning....so much so that we look for reasons we'll fail first.

given what's happened in the past 6 weeks to change the direction of the program, i think it's perfectly ok to point out why we might actually succeed.

trust me, i know why we might fail. we have plenty of experience with that. so far this just doesn't have the same feel to it as the last 3 changes.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Trouble is - Pruitt is the HC, not the DC. Folks should be looking at the DC coming in - how good is he?

If Pruitt is having to be DC as well as HC, we are in trouble.
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that's just dumb. have you read anything on any member of this staff? or are you just making this up as you go?

that said, i'll give you this much, flip it to offense, and what you described is exactly what happened with your boy Butch and his OC's. so i understand your trepidation. so maybe i'm being too harsh.:dunno:
 
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volfan102455 said:
I prefer to wait to see the product on the field this fall before labeling these coaches as great. This is not a staff that will have coached together as a unit before. That can be good, if Pruitt is a good visionary as a HC. Or it can backfire badly if the visions of each get in the way.

Same is true of players - just because you have 22 5* players on the field doesn't mean you will win. Those players must be in lock step with each other.

Some of you who are lauding the coaches right now are going to be the first to label them as idiots when they do something you don't agree with next season.
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As you pointed out, there's always a potential downside to great talent. Great individual talent doesn't always make for a great team player, and in the end, football is still a team sport. Talented players who can't be a part of the team can easily destroy the cohesion needed to make plays work and can be a cancer to team morale. It's probably one of the biggest factors in why a star recruit never seemed to play to "his potential" - too busy being himself rather than being the player the team needs.

Did UT really loose with Cade Mays? Did he show his true self when he switched to a winning team to showcase his "talent"? The flip side is that coaches who coach elite talent and manage to make them work together, like Pruitt has at AL, have already demonstrated the ability to use talent better than a mediocre coach like Butch Jones.
 
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When people have nothing to keep them busy, they just make up reasons. Lolol.

Hence...these types of threads.
 
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jakez4ut said:
probably not.

Dooley nor butch never really passed the eye test with me. i was pretty optimistic early on with Butch, but the way 2015 season played out.....i knew...didn't want to, but i did. and the follow up in 2016 sealed it (under better administrative situation, i'm not sure CBJ sees the 2017 season imo).

this staff as it stands right now, with the only available info available to us, is passing the eye test.

it's january. we have NSD coming up, and an opportunity to build some pretty good momentum going in to spring.

this is going to be another long off season though, because in the end, what happens on the field will dictate. and it's year one, so that will require some level of patience as well.

so i'm trying to exercise that, i'm pretty optimistic given the type of recruiting they're doing compared to what we've seen in the past. and most of this staff comes in with really good reputations for being good football coaches.

we have enough negative history the past 10 years. we have enough drama with the coaching search/AD fiasco.

so i don't see the need in pointing every single possible way we will fail or why we'll suck or why we can't/won't succeed. and it's hard, because it's been so long, we're just used to it going the other way. we've been desensitized to winning....so much so that we look for reasons we'll fail first.

given what's happened in the past 6 weeks to change the direction of the program, i think it's perfectly ok to point out why we might actually succeed.

trust me, i know why we might fail. we have plenty of experience with that. so far this just doesn't have the same feel to it as the last 3 changes.
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I appreciate your optimism. Sincerely. I think your word 'trepidation' summed up CJP for me. I was all in on Kiffin. When we fired Phil, Kiffin was the first name that I thought of because he could relate to high level recruits. Young, swagger and KNEW what it took to be in the NFL. What was not to like. I am also probably one of the few that doesn't blame him for leaving Knoxville for his dream job.

Have we set ourselves up for this again? I don't know and I don't think Beelzebub is ready to call his boy Nick back just yet, but in that regard our timing could be very bad. no I don't think CJP is a double agent - that's stupid stuff - but he has been bleeding crimson for an awful long time and if the opportunity arises will we have our hearts broken yet again?

For me to get on this train he has to prove to me that he is all in at UT. It will take some time. I have chosen to view him as just another mercenary getting well paid.

GBO.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I appreciate your optimism. Sincerely. I think your word 'trepidation' summed up CJP for me. I was all in on Kiffin. When we fired Phil, Kiffin was the first name that I thought of because he could relate to high level recruits. Young, swagger and KNEW what it took to be in the NFL. What was not to like. I am also probably one of the few that doesn't blame him for leaving Knoxville for his dream job.

Have we set ourselves up for this again? I don't know and I don't think Beelzebub is ready to call his boy Nick back just yet, but in that regard our timing could be very bad. no I don't think CJP is a double agent - that's stupid stuff - but he has been bleeding crimson for an awful long time and if the opportunity arises will we have our hearts broken yet again?

For me to get on this train he has to prove to me that he is all in at UT. It will take some time. I have chosen to view him as just another mercenary getting well paid.

GBO.
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I'm finding myself hanging with Jake's take,but I thoroughly agree with you, too, regarding one set of principles in this conversation. I, too, was all in on Kiffin, never for Dools and, first, very uncertain about Butch, then pretty quickly impressed, and then, within the first three games of 2017, I realized that Butch was a far better salesman than he ever was a coach.
As for your take on some other aspects of discussion: I appreciate your candor and also the fact that you're not just talking out the side of your mouth; that you've carefully thought out your list of likes and dislikes. Two things which you're insisting, though, just don't seem to hold a drop of water, imho. Earlier you stated that bama holds an edge on the very best big uglies...on both sides of the LOS; that there's some sort of insurmountable gap between them and other programs. Let me assure you that even if they have fourteen 5* DLmen and fifteen 5* OLmen (making them 3 deep in 5*s on both sides of the LOS), they still wouldn't have more than a small handful of equally talented big fellas who're playing elsewhere on those same Saturdays...like not to mention the obvious ones such as Clemson, OSU, Whisky, the Sooners, FSU, and now UGA and Miami, et al. Check out NFL rosters and their top linemen's alma maters, and then you can see for yourself...mostly small college and other non-P5 programs. It's all a matter of knowing, matching, and developing that talent to best facilitate whatever schemes that're being implemented, with an asterisk on those big ones being recognized as having a lot of potential while in HS. Pruitt's recruiting acumen has spoken for itself, particularly at UGA and at bama. Look up all the current Sunday players he chose and developed. I am, therefore, confident that he's not lost the "touch."
As for the "mercenary" aspect which you're touting: Even if CJP's character was at all questionable, and not highly recognized as it is, he'd have to be pathologically deranged to not give 100% of his blood, sweat and tears toward making his debut HC position at UT a rip-roaring success. Tell me, fellow VFL, what do you figure could possess a person to destroy a potentially HOF career, just to sabotage a former rival team for a couple to a few seasons...just for old time's sake...or for the legendary Bear's ghost...or you fill in the blank? I'm holding pat at wearing orange shades on this one. Yes. This could be revisited in five years, but I think we'll see enough encouragement by mid-season NEXT YEAR to begin seeing the light. That's what I think. :popcorn: GBO!
 
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sameolvol said:
I'm finding myself hanging with Jake's take,but I thoroughly agree with you, too, regarding one set of principles in this conversation. I, too, was all in on Kiffin, never for Dools and, first, very uncertain about Butch, then pretty quickly impressed, and then, within the first three games of 2017, I realized that Butch was a far better salesman than he ever was a coach.
As for your take on some other aspects of discussion: I appreciate your candor and also the fact that you're not just talking out the side of your mouth; that you've carefully thought out your list of likes and dislikes. Two things which you're insisting, though, just don't seem to hold a drop of water, imho. Earlier you stated that bama holds an edge on the very best big uglies...on both sides of the LOS; that there's some sort of insurmountable gap between them and other programs. Let me assure you that even if they have fourteen 5* DLmen and fifteen 5* OLmen (making them 3 deep in 5*s on both sides of the LOS), they still wouldn't have more than a small handful of equally talented big fellas who're playing elsewhere on those same Saturdays...like not to mention the obvious ones such as Clemson, OSU, Whisky, the Sooners, FSU, and now UGA and Miami, et al. Check out NFL rosters and their top linemen's alma maters, and then you can see for yourself...mostly small college and other non-P5 programs. It's all a matter of knowing, matching, and developing that talent to best facilitate whatever schemes that're being implemented, with an asterisk on those big ones being recognized as having a lot of potential while in HS. Pruitt's recruiting acumen has spoken for itself, particularly at UGA and at bama. Look up all the current Sunday players he chose and developed. I am, therefore, confident that he's not lost the "touch."
As for the "mercenary" aspect which you're touting: Even if CJP's character was at all questionable, and not highly recognized as it is, he'd have to be pathologically deranged to not give 100% of his blood, sweat and tears toward making his debut HC position at UT a rip-roaring success. Tell me, fellow VFL, what do you figure could possess a person to destroy a potentially HOF career, just to sabotage a former rival team for a couple to a few seasons...just for old time's sake...or for the legendary Bear's ghost...or you fill in the blank? I'm holding pat at wearing orange shades on this one. Yes. This could be revisited in five years, but I think we'll see enough encouragement by mid-season NEXT YEAR to begin seeing the light. That's what I think. :popcorn: GBO!
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I will have to take your word on the caliber of players he has recruited and how many of them play on Sunday. I am far too lazy to look it up. :)

As to the mercenary aspect of MY comment; I do believe he will hit the ground running and running hard because it IS his first HC gig and he wants to do well, and I don't have any belief at all that he is interested in destroying UT on any level. THAT would be crazy. But my blood is orange. Yours is orange. His is crimson. It will take a lot to change either, so I'm with you on the popcorn, but I am leaving the orange colored shades in my pocket for now.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I appreciate your optimism. Sincerely. I think your word 'trepidation' summed up CJP for me. I was all in on Kiffin. When we fired Phil, Kiffin was the first name that I thought of because he could relate to high level recruits. Young, swagger and KNEW what it took to be in the NFL. What was not to like. I am also probably one of the few that doesn't blame him for leaving Knoxville for his dream job.

Have we set ourselves up for this again? I don't know and I don't think Beelzebub is ready to call his boy Nick back just yet, but in that regard our timing could be very bad. no I don't think CJP is a double agent - that's stupid stuff - but he has been bleeding crimson for an awful long time and if the opportunity arises will we have our hearts broken yet again?

For me to get on this train he has to prove to me that he is all in at UT. It will take some time. I have chosen to view him as just another mercenary getting well paid.

GBO.
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i was in on Kiffin, but was pissed when he left.

there's always a risk with hiring a guy. i don't know how much longer Nick coaches at Bama, but he could coach for several more years.

a lot of what would have to do with CJP possibly leaving UT for Bama would have a lot to do with how well he's doing/done here, so it's a bit of a double edged sword.

i really don't have any doubts though, that if he does do well here, and gets TN back to a level that would warrant consideration for replacing Nick Saban, that he'd go back to Alabama....he's born, bred, played, coached there....

of course, that would require him being considered, and Bama should have it's pick of the litter. don't forget, there's also a guy named DAbo out there, that hasn't done too bad, that probably would get a hard look from Bama as well. they'd probably see about Kirby. and who knows who else.

i'll just say this, i hope he does well enough that he would be in consideration for a top tier job like that. at that point, it would be hard also not to say that our job would be one of the top jobs available as well.....

i think he'll be all Vol while he's here, and i hope he does as good as i think he can while he is here. and who knows, maybe by that time, he won't want to go back...:p either way, i'm not willing to skip all the potential good stuff that could happen between now and then, potentially. basically, let's cross that bridge, when/if we get to it.....
 
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utkCREW said:
...putting lipstick on Gigi Hadid.
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#90
"Legion of the Miserable" gotta be "Legion of the Miserable"..

hahaha.

ya'll haters need ONE of the following:
* Chill Pills
* Jesus
* Booze
* A hobby
* Move out of your parents basement
* A girlfriend (or boyfriend)
* A dog

(Any one of those will do, pick one)

edit: Don't Mix #1 and #3, that could be bad, but feel free to mix #3 with #6, that can be fun. :)
 
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Bama has better players than us, but look at their ILB situation.

Decimated by injury, they have won 12 games. Got one guy back, and then proceeded to make Clemson look like they had never practiced offense before.

That's sure as hell more than 40% on coaching.

Food for thought. That offense has just as many 5*. They have looked inept at times all season long.
 
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