All coaches retained (so far) and salaries for next year

[fossilfiction]

Not to be that guy as I believe in consistently producing stable results, but I have always heard that if nobody is poaching your coaches, you don't have to poach worthy coaches.

 

[fossilfiction]

People are harsh on our defense, but they were on the field roughly 40 minutes every game. We just don't currently have the depth to make a defense look good while being on the field that long. Hard to put that on the coaches. You gotta have talent, and this year, we lacked a lot of it on defense.

If you noticed, we tended play pretty good defense in the 1st quarter, then we'd nearly always get lit up in the 2nd quarter. Then after a break at halftime, we would play better for a bit in the 3rd before getting lit up again the 4th quarter. Seems like every game but Kentucky and Ole Miss went that way.

I don't care about the time on the field. I understand what it is will give you fatigue, but everyone here knows that. You are not telling most of us something we don't know. The issue is what you said, and we know it too, we need more players, we need better quality at several positions.

 

[DaddyChad]

Almost a full page.
Not one mention of recruiting.
The 2022 class does not warrant giving a raise to any coach.

Lack of continuity and direction is the reason we are where we are currently in recruiting. You stay the course for a few years regardless at this point. We’ve been a dumpster fire for a few decades at this point, we don’t really have any high school programs with coaches that have any confidence in our program. I think you have to change that with continuity despite it being ugly right now.

I think IF we can stay the course and get the investigation resolved with minimal restrictions going forward, things will change a lot on the recruiting front. We’ve got a lot of interest from big time recruits, we’re just finishing second or third a lot on these kids bc of our red flags right now. I know same song and dance about giving the coach time but it’s true.

 

[Carp]

Not to be that guy as I believe in consistently producing stable results, but I have always heard that if nobody is poaching your coaches, you don't have to poach worthy coaches.

Clemson hasn't seen many of their coaches poached in recent years (until this year). Ohio State hasn't seen many coaches leave either. And honestly, earlier in Saban's career at Bama, his coaches were staying around longer.

I would be more worried if coaches weren't being interviewed at other schools. I think I read that at least a couple of them have.

 

[docterjaws]

You know, we could banter that back and forth for the rest of our lives. And we probably will.

I look at it like this; These guys came into a train wreck. Players were leaving for other schools in high numbers, and we aren't talking third stringers here. These guys weren't passing out towels and water bottles to guys coming off the field. Many were starters. And many of these position coaches were having to hit the recruiting trail while their wives had to pack their suitcases in a short time for them to go out again.

So while some of you might worry about too many passes getting completed against the secondary, or some coverage mistakes or bad blitz packages? This team still exceeded expectations. Now, I am not a big fan of passing out raises after year one. That kinda wreckless money management has gotten way outta hand. But even if they are at the same pay for year two, the question should be "Are they on track with what they did this year to get a raise next year?" Well, that won't be up to any of us, that is on Danny White and Heupel. But IMO? Yes, if they cause their position group to improve? They will have earned consideration for a raise.

I totally agree with you - I am very glad the whole staff stayed together. My only questions is and i ask this honestly "has willie Martinez ever have a banner year at any coaching position for any team on defense?" I would pay rodney garner anything he wanted.

 

[TNnative]

I totally agree with you - I am very glad the whole staff stayed together. My only questions is and i ask this honestly "has willie Martinez ever have a banner year at any coaching position for any team on defense?" I would pay rodney garner anything he wanted.

We get real critical of Martinez, because he was here with Butch Jones. However, if you look at some of the players he worked with who did well as ...dare I say it? OK everyone hold you noses......INDIVIDUALS <barf>?

He did school up some good players here. And I will admit, when I learned Heupel had hired him? I was not being the Lone Ranger in asking, "Why him?" But look at last year. Our secondary performed pretty well mostly with players Jones and Pruitt brought in.

So, I am giving Martinez a break on our past perception. Having the right HC and culture seems to have a bigger lasting impact on how programs perform. But as to Gardner? You and I are on the same page.

 

[DaddyChad]

I totally agree with you - I am very glad the whole staff stayed together. My only questions is and i ask this honestly "has willie Martinez ever have a banner year at any coaching position for any team on defense?" I would pay rodney garner anything he wanted.

I’m not overwhelmed by Martinez but he was obviously important enough to Georgia in the early 2000’s to work his way up from DB coach to DC. He did help Sutton in his time here. The guy has 30 years of coaching experience most of it for major programs like Tennessee, Georgia, Oklahoma. Apparently UCF had a few defensive backs drafted as well during his time there.

Imo in the time I’ve seen him here as a coach he’s mediocre but right now we’re shy on talent at defensive backs and have no real pass rush. I wouldn’t be broken up if we lost him but I don’t think he’s terrible like some say. Just wanted to give a fair assessment from all sides.

 

[thistime]

I hope we can keep them all. Stability is as important as talent in many cases and right now UT is one of those cases.

 

[miket4god]

I’m not overwhelmed by Martinez but he was obviously important enough to Georgia in the early 2000’s to work his way up from DB coach to DC. He did help Sutton in his time here. The guy has 30 years of coaching experience most of it for major programs like Tennessee, Georgia, Oklahoma. Apparently UCF had a few defensive backs drafted as well during his time there.

Imo in the time I’ve seen him here as a coach he’s mediocre but right now we’re shy on talent at defensive backs and have no real pass rush. I wouldn’t be broken up if we lost him but I don’t think he’s terrible like some say. Just wanted to give a fair assessment from all sides.

Martinez gets a bad rap but he coached Cam Sutton, Emmanuel Moseley and Justin Coleman into fairly long NFL careers. Not a blue chip in the bunch.