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marcusshaw

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What a joke! Meach on the 3rd team?? Come on! He should have been second team, at least. He's head and shoulders better than over rated Samardzija. Just another example of the ND publicity machine. :furious3: :bad:
 
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Could not agree more. That and Zibikowski (sp?) on the 3rd team? ND defense sucked and they were dominated by USC and Michigan's recievers. Hell, Zibikowski was lost against Michigan State.
 
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marcusshaw said:
What a joke! Meach on the 3rd team?? Come on! He should have been second team, at least. He's head and shoulders better than over rated Samardzija. Just another example of the ND publicity machine. :furious3: :bad:
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I am also a huge UT and Meachum fan, and I would agree that ND is usually over-rated. But I disagree with you regarding Samardzija. I think he has the best hands of any receiver I have seen in several years, he runs great routes, and has adequate speed. I would rate him as a first-team along with Meachum.
 
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Leo The Lip said:
I am also a huge UT and Meachum fan, and I would agree that ND is usually over-rated. But I disagree with you regarding Samardzija. I think he has the best hands of any receiver I have seen in several years, he runs great routes, and has adequate speed. I would rate him as a first-team along with Meachum.
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You know that since you said something good about ND people on this board are going to come down on you. Although I agree with you 100%
 
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What All-American team are we talking about here? There are quite a few out there, and Meachem is 1st and 2nd team on a few.
 
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This doesn't surprise me at all. Same old %$#@ different year. The only check and balance in all of these awards are the NFL career of the players.

Example: Peyton Manning- Charles Woodson

...also the Heisman was a big joke to me after Manning lost it, and even a bigger joke after Jason White won it.
 
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Not trying to pick on Milo, but isn't this the point in the thread where he comes in and says the above posts are absurd and the entire nation isn't out to belittle Tennessee?:)
 
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Big Vol Nasty said:
This doesn't surprise me at all. Same old %$#@ different year. The only check and balance in all of these awards are the NFL career of the players.

Example: Peyton Manning- Charles Woodson

...also the Heisman was a big joke to me after Manning lost it, and even a bigger joke after Jason White won it.
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Yes!!!!!! We got a Peyton/Heisman refrence. I haven't heard one of those in days.:clapping:
 
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Leo The Lip said:
I am also a huge UT and Meachum fan, and I would agree that ND is usually over-rated. But I disagree with you regarding Samardzija. I think he has the best hands of any receiver I have seen in several years, he runs great routes, and has adequate speed. I would rate him as a first-team along with Meachum.
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Samardzija did not have that good of a year...
 
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Big Vol Nasty said:
This doesn't surprise me at all. Same old %$#@ different year. The only check and balance in all of these awards are the NFL career of the players.

Example: Peyton Manning- Charles Woodson

...also the Heisman was a big joke to me after Manning lost it, and even a bigger joke after Jason White won it.
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Woodson won because he was the most outstanding player.
 
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utchatt said:
Which one is he listed as a first. Link?
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He was first team on the Cingular/ESPN All-American team. Because of his family's rodeo background they had him lasso the presenter, Regis Philbin around the neck. If only he had given the rope a good yank. I watched it the other night on ESPNU.
 
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bah. Zbikowski has been a non-factor all year long... even Irish fans will admit that. He is got 3rd team b/c of his season last year, which is ridiculous.... almost as ridiculous as Aaron Ross winning the Thorpe trophy. Ross was one of the main reasons that Texas lost to TTU and KSU and had the 98th ranked pass D. Honestly, the trophy should've gone to Reggie Nelson.

and yeah, Meachem got shafted. he had a great year. he had better stats than Samardzija -- that's for sure, but if you want to play the stats card, I can name quite a few other players that got shafted as well. the AA mentions are nice, but still insanely biased. Troy Smith should not have been first team AA.
 
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Hey there UTCHATT, I work just down the road at CSTCC. Go VOLS! I could care less about criticism for saying one of the best is one of the best, regardless of what team he plays for...
 
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I think the Big 10 having 8 first teamers and SEC having 4 is a little bias IMO.
 
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njuneardave said:
bah. Zbikowski has been a non-factor all year long... even Irish fans will admit that. He is got 3rd team b/c of his season last year, which is ridiculous.... almost as ridiculous as Aaron Ross winning the Thorpe trophy. Ross was one of the main reasons that Texas lost to TTU and KSU and had the 98th ranked pass D. Honestly, the trophy should've gone to Reggie Nelson.

and yeah, Meachem got shafted. he had a great year. he had better stats than Samardzija -- that's for sure, but if you want to play the stats card, I can name quite a few other players that got shafted as well. the AA mentions are nice, but still insanely biased. Troy Smith should not have been first team AA.
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Yeh your right, Troy Smith should not have been first team All-American, he only completed 67 percent of his passes, threw 30td's to only 5 picks, had a rating of 167.9, led his team to 12-0, and played his best games against the best competition Ohio State played, but your right he didn't deserve it.
 
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marcusshaw said:
What a joke! Meach on the 3rd team?? Come on! He should have been second team, at least. He's head and shoulders better than over rated Samardzija. Just another example of the ND publicity machine. :furious3: :bad:
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No Samardzija is awsome so thats not publicity, not that Mech does not deserve it.
 
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i cant argue too much with Rivals 1st team AA list except Ginn at "All P" (how many more mediocre performances will it take until people stop overrating him?) and the TE selection.

Has anyone seriously watched Laurinitis play? He is out of position 30% of the time on running plays... Mike Hart can thank Laurinitis for allowing him to run through the MLB holes.

Griffin (who anchored Texas's 98th ranked pass D) should never be considered for AA safety -- even shameless horns fans will tell you this.


I saw no regional bias in the Rivals AA team selection... only a few over-hyped players
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Yeh your right, Troy Smith should not have been first team All-American, he only completed 67 percent of his passes, threw 30td's to only 5 picks, had a rating of 167.9, led his team to 12-0, and played his best games against the best competition Ohio State played, but your right he didn't deserve it.
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where to start? If you want to use stats: Look at Brady Quinn, who had better stats against a harder schedule (don't believe me? look at Sagarin) AND no running game to balance the offense. Smith had excellent offensive linemen that allowed him time to throw in the pocket. Quinn got sacked over 30 times b/c of a horrid OL. Quinn had one of the top-5 TD:INT ratios EVER (7:1 compared to Troy's 6:1) and had 1 more rushing TD than Troy. It is easier to have high stats when you have a balanced rush attack that defenses have to compensate for... the Irish played from behind for a majority of the season, and defenses knew that he was going to throw, so they would drop 8 into coverage, and Quinn still put up his stats. Might I add that he did this with lesser talent around him?

Or... if you want to talk stats, we can talk Colt Brennan, who decimated all of his inferior competition with incredibly gaudy numbers.


Secondly, you can not attribute OSU's success to the quarterback alone. There are 11 players on the field at all time. OSU's defense has been completely rock-solid all year long. OSU has not had to play from behind in a single game this year (except the first quarter of the UM game). When Smith had horrid games against Illinois and PSU, his defense saved him. If OSU would've lost either game, you can bet Smith wouldn't be the AA #1 QB in the nation right now, but since his D pulled out the win... he is.


To Smith's defense, he stepped up in the big game that OSU played. Smith's win over Texas and Iowa are now overvalued, but the win over Michigan remains solid. But, with Michigan giving up 2 runs over 50 yards, you can not attribute the win to Smith alone.


Bottom Line: Troy Smith is good, but he does not deserve the hype that he has received. He is on the nation's best team, and this team picks Smith up when he is down... but Smith still receives credit. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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njuneardave said:
where to start? If you want to use stats: Look at Brady Quinn, who had better stats against a harder schedule (don't believe me? look at Sagarin) AND no running game to balance the offense. Smith had excellent offensive linemen that allowed him time to throw in the pocket. Quinn got sacked over 30 times b/c of a horrid OL. Quinn had one of the top-5 TD:INT ratios EVER (7:1 compared to Troy's 6:1) and had 1 more rushing TD than Troy. It is easier to have high stats when you have a balanced rush attack that defenses have to compensate for... the Irish played from behind for a majority of the season, and defenses knew that he was going to throw, so they would drop 8 into coverage, and Quinn still put up his stats. Might I add that he did this with lesser talent around him?

Or... if you want to talk stats, we can talk Colt Brennan, who decimated all of his inferior competition with incredibly gaudy numbers.


Secondly, you can not attribute OSU's success to the quarterback alone. There are 11 players on the field at all time. OSU's defense has been completely rock-solid all year long. OSU has not had to play from behind in a single game this year (except the first quarter of the UM game). When Smith had horrid games against Illinois and PSU, his defense saved him. If OSU would've lost either game, you can bet Smith wouldn't be the AA #1 QB in the nation right now, but since his D pulled out the win... he is.


To Smith's defense, he stepped up in the big game that OSU played. Smith's win over Texas and Iowa are now overvalued, but the win over Michigan remains solid. But, with Michigan giving up 2 runs over 50 yards, you can not attribute the win to Smith alone.


Bottom Line: Troy Smith is good, but he does not deserve the hype that he has received. He is on the nation's best team, and this team picks Smith up when he is down... but Smith still receives credit. Take it for what it's worth.
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How about when Brady Quinn threw no TD's against Goergia Tech and Notre Dame's defense actually pulled them thru that game? Or when Quinn threw 3 PICKs against Michigan and was BENCHED at the end of the game? I don't wanna hear about their schedule being tougher because that is weighted heavily on the USC, Michigan, and a little because of the UCLA win over USC that win helps them too. Picking apart the service academies is like picking apart high school teams so those games should carry no weight. And a Standard team that won exactly ZERO games. Without JEff S. Quinn is again Mediocre against UCLA.


Colt Brennan, while he had a great year statistics wise, he doesn't even belong in the same league with these guys.

Who else is more deserving than Smith? Please don't say Quinn, I want another name.
 
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