Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[SpaceCoastVol]

So the other businesses should foot the bill for Amazon?

If it’s such a great net gain, they should just lower business taxes for everyone. Think of all the net gaining they’ll have going on then!

Instead, Amazon is indeed receiving welfare.

How are they receiving welfare? By not having taxes taken from them? THAT is what you call welfare?

 

[hog88]

People voting for, and continuing to support Trump, is an infinitely worse commentary on the state of intelligence and reason in this country than her 15 minutes of fame.

My bet is that she will hold office much longer than the 8 Trump will.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

My bet is that she will hold office much longer than the 8 Trump will.

She's freaking herpes.

 

[Grand Vol]

My bet is that she will hold office much longer than the 8 Trump will.

Which Trump?

 

[DC_Vol]

So you subscribe to government math too I see. Take something that you don't already have, project the taxation you COULD be getting from it, and put it in the loss column. Brilliant way to villify a company that will produce far more revenue in the area than you would have without their employees. Just ****ing brilliant.

I didn’t actually do any math and am not arguing that the cities won’t see a net benefit.

My point is that it IS corporate welfare and it’s not right to have taxpayers and other fund amazon’s SG&A. I don’t know why you would feel like this fact is demonizing Amazon.

If the city agrees that creating jobs has such a return, they should reduce the cost of operating a business for everyone.

Instead the city is picking winners at the expense of other businesses. It’s the definition of corporate welfare.

 

[hog88]

Which Trump?

The I

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I didn’t actually do any math and am not arguing that the cities won’t see a net benefit.

My point is that it IS corporate welfare and it’s not right to have taxpayers and other fund amazon’s SG&A. I don’t know why you would feel like this fact is demonizing Amazon.

If the city agrees that creating jobs has such a return, they should reduce the cost of operating a business for everyone.

Instead the city is picking winners at the expense of other businesses. It’s the definition of corporate welfare.

And how is not stealing more money from Amazon "picking winners"? IT's a free country. They are free to go elsewhere if they feel they are mistreated of if their taxation is onerous. I love this discussion. It is classic penis envy. He got a good deal, which means I am getting screwed even though NOTHING in my world has changed one iota. Classic.

 

[theFallGuy]

I've been sick of hearing about her for months now. She was finally right about something with the Amazon/corporate welfare comment.

Yeah I'm not sure why a city that loves taxing things felt giving Amazon such a huge tax advantage over other businesses was something that needs to be done. Treat Amazon like everyone else that pays taxes.

If NYC truly believes cutting taxes encourages business growth then cut taxes for everyone.

 

[Hunerwadel]

The version that democrats adamantly refuse to consider—solar and electric vehicles are not green.

Are the elements and raw materials comprising the panels/components mined (and subsequently transported) with emissionless processes? Nope.

Are the panels/components made with emissionless processes? Nope.

Are plants manufacturing the panels/components with 100% green energy? Nope.

Are the finished products transported with emissionless vehicles? Nope.

Maintenance and usable life are other factors which contribute to—you guessed it—emissions.

See all the above for electric vehicles, plus, don’t forget about the power consumption for charging (likely from coal, fossil fuel or a less than 100% green source), and it is plain to see that you’ve merely “moved” your pollution. So no, you can’t say, “nuh uh, it wudn’t me, I didn’t do nuffin!”

“Green” (alternate) energy is a play on people who are consumed with fear and idiocy. Al Gore has made a damn fool of untold millions, all the while enriching himself at the expense of their intelligence (lack of?). You granola-crunching libbies are “so educated,” but practically all of you have failed to step through what I just laid out.

The exact same could be said about the infrastructures supporting coal and oil production and the facilities that turn them into electricity. And when they are up and running they produce massive amounts hydrocarbons compared to wind, solar, moving air and water and geo which produce essentially zero emissions when they are up and running. The solar panels on my roof are producing none while electricity coming to my house from the power company is produced by burning coal at a TVA plant. There is also about a million tons (and growing) of coal ash stored there that they are not sure how to dispose of also.

 

[DC_Vol]

And how is not stealing more money from Amazon "picking winners"? IT's a free country. They are free to go elsewhere if they feel they are mistreated of if their taxation is onerous. I love this discussion. It is classic penis envy. He got a good deal, which means I am getting screwed even though NOTHING in my world has changed one iota. Classic.

You’re being small minded here. Things in your world have changed if you compete with Amazon. Or are competing for the same talent where Amazon is located.

I’m surprised you believe this to be penis envy since you seem to like a flat tax for individuals, where everyone pays the same rate.

2018 Midterm Election Thread

 

[n_huffhines]

Yeah I'm not sure why a city that loves taxing things felt giving Amazon such a huge tax advantage over other businesses was something that needs to be done. Treat Amazon like everyone else that pays taxes.

If NYC truly believes cutting taxes encourages business growth then cut taxes for everyone.

The city of course does it because it's politically expedient. Very few question if it's actually good policy or not and then you get to tout this on your record henceforth. We count the jobs and end the story there. There is a lot more to it, especially in a place like NYC that can't adequately handle the amount of people they already have.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah I'm not sure why a city that loves taxing things felt giving Amazon such a huge tax advantage over other businesses was something that needs to be done. Treat Amazon like everyone else that pays taxes.

If NYC truly believes cutting taxes encourages business growth then cut taxes for everyone.

They have been running ads on TV for a couple of years (although I haven't seen one lately) offering 10 years of tax (free?) operations if you move to NY. So I would think that qualifies as offering those incentives to others.

Of course I guess I am now a welfare recipient by the VN definition of welfare since the people of FLorida just voted to increase the Homestead exemption. That is less value of my home that I have to pay tax on. Welfare. As defined here.

 

[n_huffhines]

They have been running ads on TV for a couple of years (although I haven't seen one lately) offering 10 years of tax (free?) operations if you move to NY. So I would think that qualifies as offering those incentives to others.

Of course I guess I am now a welfare recipient by the VN definition of welfare since the people of FLorida just voted to increase the Homestead exemption. That is less value of my home that I have to pay tax on. Welfare. As defined here.

But they aren't offering it to businesses that are already in NYC. So then Amazon (or whomever) swoops in and has a lower cost of employment, therefore they can better afford to snag the best talent in NYC away from existing businesses.

If it's not available to all businesses (not just new), then it's croneyism.

 

[hog88]

The exact same could be said about the infrastructures supporting coal and oil production and the facilities that turn them into electricity. And when they are up and running they produce massive amounts hydrocarbons compared to wind, solar, moving air and water and geo which produce essentially zero emissions when they are up and running. The solar panels on my roof are producing none while electricity coming to my house from the power company is produced by burning coal at a TVA plant. There is also about a million tons (and growing) of coal ash stored there that they are not sure how to dispose of also.

When was the last hydroelectric dam built in this country or hell even submitted for approval? When was the last nuclear plant (you know the most reliable and cleanest power available) approved for build?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You’re being small minded here. Things in your world have changed if you compete with Amazon. Or are competing for the same talent where Amazon is located.

I’m surprised you believe this to be penis envy since you seem to like a flat tax for individuals, where everyone pays the same rate.

2018 Midterm Election Thread

I love the idea of a flat tax. I would be all for it IF it comes via constitutional amendment. That being said, you are conflating the ideas.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

But they aren't offering it to businesses that are already in NYC. So then Amazon (or whomever) swoops in and has a lower cost of employment, therefore they can better afford to snag the best talent in NYC away from existing businesses.

If it's not available to all businesses (not just new), then it's croneyism.

They are free to leave (and many have) FOr the life of me I don't understand why anyone would want to open a business in the high tax states to begin with, but I am sure they have done the math.

And as to cronyism. lulz.

 

[DC_Vol]

I love the idea of a flat tax. I would be all for it IF it comes via constitutional amendment. That being said, you are conflating the ideas.

Most businesses are owned by individuals.

The concept is not very different.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Most businesses are owned by individuals.

The concept is not very different.

It's just business. No one forced NY to make the deal. NY feels that they are getting a good deal as does AMZN.

This kind of stuff is rather amusing actually. The state of NY made the deal, thus they seem to have no problem with it. IF other existing businesses feel slighted, they are free to leave or negotiate better deals themselves. Some leave, and I would wager that others negotiate other deals. The ones we never hear about. But the amusing part is that the proletariat are the ones getting all offended and screaming from the rafters. 25,000 people in NY will be getting good paying jobs that did not exist before. Not a small thing.

Have you seen the outrage over the GQ cover with Serena Williams? I have been laughing my ass off at that one. ****ing pussy leftists being offended at everything under the sun. Doesn't seem like Serena is offended, and hers is really the only opinion that matters.

Oh, and AMZN is a public company, owned by many many people. Ask me how I know.

 

[Hunerwadel]

When was the last hydroelectric dam built in this country or hell even submitted for approval? When was the last nuclear plant (you know the most reliable and cleanest power available) approved for build?

I believe I said "moving water" in my post which includes pump storage plants and tidal energy. Our hydroelectric facilities in dams are working fine but we have about maxed them out for sure. I didn't mention nuclear energy but I am not opposed to it. The initial cost is high but the payoff is pretty huge.

 

[hog88]

I believe I said "moving water" in my post which includes pump storage plants and tidal energy. Our hydroelectric facilities in dams are working fine but we have about maxed them out for sure. I didn't mention nuclear energy but I am not opposed to it. The initial cost is high but the payoff is pretty huge.

I think you got my point then. Neither political party or environmental group for green energy AND economic stability/progress.

 

[05_never_again]

They are free to leave (and many have) FOr the life of me I don't understand why anyone would want to open a business in the high tax states to begin with, but I am sure they have done the math.

And as to cronyism. lulz.

Why not just give the tax breaks to everyone? That's great that NYC isn't going to take more money from Amazon. They shouldn't be taking more from anyone, not just them though. I'm all for the government taking less money from everyone, not just large corporations or the better politically connected.

 

[05_never_again]

It's just business. No one forced NY to make the deal. NY feels that they are getting a good deal as does AMZN.

This kind of stuff is rather amusing actually. The state of NY made the deal, thus they seem to have no problem with it. IF other existing businesses feel slighted, they are free to leave or negotiate better deals themselves.

They don't have the political clout to do so. Someone like Amazon does.

I'd like to see business succeed or fail based on the value proposition they offer to a free market, not how good they are at negotiating deals with government bureaucrats.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Why not just give the tax breaks to everyone? That's great that NYC isn't going to take more money from Amazon. They shouldn't be taking more from anyone, not just them though. I'm all for the government taking less money from everyone, not just large corporations or the better politically connected.

Because it is NY and anybody that is there gets the pleasure of paying taxes. Personally I wouldn't have gone there, but AMZN feels it is worth the deal to be close to the financial capitol of the world. NY does as well or they wouldn't have made the deal. So you have to ask them why they don't give it to everyone. My guess is that NY knows that they will get to bend AMZN over eventually so they don't care about the relatively short term 'loss' of tax revenue. And make no mistake, they WILL bend AMZN over at some point.

At JFK/LGA, the towbars that we use to push back the airplanes have LICENSE PLATES. Let that sink in for a minute. A 20 foot steel tube with 2 Little Red Wagon wheels has a ****ing LICENSE PLATE. NOWHERE else on planet earth does that occur.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

They don't have the political clout to do so. Someone like Amazon does.

I'd like to see business succeed or fail based on the value proposition they offer to a free market, not how good they are at negotiating deals with government bureaucrats.

Who is 'they'? There are lots of Fortune 500 companies in NY. They have clout. They have Harvard lawyers. You think AMZN has something special in that arena? The simple fact is that NY KNOWS that AMZN will be employing 25,000 people, and THAT is the tax revenue they are after.... and will get.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

She is proof that Idiocracy is coming to fruition.

I thought electing President Mt. Dew Comancho was step one.