Alabama textbook scandal widens

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bcff said:
Well, whats wrong with that? What happens if you stop producing for your employer?
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But wait but wait... we've been lead to believe that these guys should be "students first, athletes second". Now you may have a guy that has good grades, but can't cut it on the field. You're saying it's OK to cut his scholarship because because he's doing everything right except on saturday? Take his scholarship because he's respectful to the media, respectful to the public, and is a good kid?
 
#152
#152
bcff said:
We got off chasing rabit trails. My point is that I wished our players would just use their heads, thats all.
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It may be frustrating, but honestly, I don't blame a kid one bit for trying to get a little extra scratch on the side. I'll side with the kids before the schools 9 times out of 10 when it comes to this.

Sorry for the rant...
 
#153
#153
Rasputin_Vol said:
the whole notion of the amateur athlete needs to be addressed again.
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i'm in the middle. it's wrong to say student athletes get nothing but it's wrong the universities make so much money off of them with out giving anything to them.

hence the reason you end with situations like this at every school.

i certainly see both sides.
 
#154
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A brother can't drive a nice car? I don't care how he gets money for the ride. neither should you... and neither should the NCAA.

If somebody gives a normal student a $100 handshake, nothing is the matter with that. But for some reason, 100 years or so ago, people for whatever reason thought that just because you are an athlete, you shouldn't get a scholarship AND get money on the side also.

Nobody seems to come up with a reasonable answer for why.
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Its a complicated issue. On one hand, I see your point as to whats the big deal, but as long as the NCAA sees it the other way, the players have to be responsible. On the other hand, once you introduce the paying of players, I feel that the game would be changed forever. How would you like to hear about holdouts, contract negotiations, etc..in college football? For me, would totally ruin it.
 
#155
#155
Rasputin_Vol said:
But wait but wait... we've been lead to believe that these guys should be "students first, athletes second". Now you may have a guy that has good grades, but can't cut it on the field. You're saying it's OK to cut his scholarship because because he's doing everything right except on saturday? Take his scholarship because he's respectful to the media, respectful to the public, and is a good kid?
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You know what, you are right. I honestly didnt think of that. The NCAA talks out of both sides of their mouths, thats for sure.
 
#156
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It may be frustrating, but honestly, I don't blame a kid one bit for trying to get a little extra scratch on the side. I'll side with the kids before the schools 9 times out of 10 when it comes to this.

Sorry for the rant...
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No problemo. Thats why I like posting on here as opposed to Bama sites. Dont mind a little debate every now and again.
 
#157
#157
bcff said:
Its a complicated issue. On one hand, I see your point as to whats the big deal, but as long as the NCAA sees it the other way, the players have to be responsible. On the other hand, once you introduce the paying of players, I feel that the game would be changed forever. How would you like to hear about holdouts, contract negotiations, etc..in college football? For me, would totally ruin it.
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You hear about contract negotioations all the time with coaches... that is weak.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You're blathering about how they get a free education. I'll bet OJ Mayo would be more than glad to take his rightful share of the revenue from all #32 USC hoops jerseys and pay his own tuition. Darren McFadden could send the three county area surrounding Fayetteville to school with the revenue he's generated. The idea that a scholarship is equivalent value to those guys services is laughable.
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Oh come on, these guys know this is a possibility going in. At any rate isn't that a good thing? If everyone wants your jersey then it means that you are pretty darn good, right? If thats the case, then you are probably in for a nice professional career and lucrative contracts. Would any of this be possible without the said institution using them and giving them the exposure?
 
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#159
bcff said:
Oh come on, these guys know this is a possibility going in. At any rate isn't that a good thing? If everyone knows wants your jersey than it means that you are pretty darn good. If thats the case, then you are probably in for a nice professional career and lucrative contracts. Would any of this be possible without the said institution using them and giving them the exposure?
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Chuck Webb wants to talk to you...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You hear about contract negotioations all the time with coaches... that is weak.
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We are talking players, not coaches. Listen, I honestly see both sides. Maybe giving them some sort of allowance. Then you have the whole issue does the starting quarterback get the same as the second string catcher in girls softball? It could go on and on and on and on........:zeitung_lesen:
 
#161
#161
Rasputin_Vol said:
Chuck Webb wants to talk to you...
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Im assuming he was a big time college player that didnt make it in the pro's. Its not always going to be the case. My original point was as long as its the rule, it should be followed. Just that simple. My subpoint then became the kid is getting a free education and SHOULD THEY TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY, they really can use that to their advantage regardless of what the institution, NCAA, NAACP, ACLU, or whatever organization has their greedy little hands in the cookie jar make of their perfomance on the field. I have to hit the hay, getting a little sleepy. REALLY looking forward to Knoxville this weekend to witness the UT gameday experience. Going to be awesome. Talk to you guys later......
 
#162
#162
bcff said:
We are talking players, not coaches. Listen, I honestly see both sides. Maybe giving them some sort of allowance. Then you have the whole issue does the starting quarterback get the same as the second string catcher in girls softball? It could go on and on and on and on........:zeitung_lesen:
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The day softball sells out a 100,000 seat stadium 6 times a year or brings in 14,000-18,000 a night for basketball and generates the money and influence that these sports bring, then they should be paid the same. But right now, I can't think of any other sports besides basketball or football that can make or break an AD or chancelor's career. If there is a rugby program or a women's volleyball program that declined to the point that an AD or chancelloe lost their jobs because of it, then I could say that they deserve equal pay.
 
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#163
bcff said:
Would any of this be possible without the said institution using them and giving them the exposure?
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If it wern't for the NBA and NCAA colluding on the asinine one year rule, Mayo wouldn't need any "exposure" from USC. He'd be making millions from Nika and his NBA team.
 
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bcff said:
I would venture to say that the difference between the value of these athletes scholarships and the money they actually generate for their institutions is much smaller than anyones salary versus what they are responsible for generating for their company.
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Again, utter nonsense. OJ Mayo is far more responsible for an increase in revenue at USC than some middle manager at IBM is for a spike in Big Blue's numbers.
 
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#165
If anybody can give me a good reason why athletes in college shouldn't be paid or given gifts/perks/benefits from boosters, I would really like to hear it. Someone give me a good reason why the rules were put into place.
 
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lovethetide said:
Wow, actually wishing the death penalty on another school. I guess you wonder why there are "The Biggest Loser" signs and such at ball games too...

:bad: :swoon3:
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shut the :furious3:up bama fan why are you still on our board anyway I'll wish the death penalty against any school I want to I can't wait until the semester is over so I can go :furious3:eek:n that dead A$$ bear bryan'ts grave when I get back to Bham
 
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#168
It is great to think about what could be and should be and so on but what count is what is and who is at fault and most of all the punishment for all crime comitters.
 
#169
#169
Rasputin_Vol said:
If anybody can give me a good reason why athletes in college shouldn't be paid or given gifts/perks/benefits from boosters, I would really like to hear it. Someone give me a good reason why the rules were put into place.
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well they way i understand it is that athletes are already getting paid. Most of them are getting free rides to college. Without sports, then most of these athletes would not get a college education. Thats the cold hard truth, cause be honest, some athletes are not college material. Another reason is that if you could pay players it would create an unfair advantage between the schools.
 
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#170
Rasputin_Vol said:
If anybody can give me a good reason why athletes in college shouldn't be paid or given gifts/perks/benefits from boosters, I would really like to hear it. Someone give me a good reason why the rules were put into place.
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How do you decide who gets paid what? There are a handful of schools that could pay whatever they wanted to get players and you're back to the pre-scholly limits days. I'm not against it in theory but to think the NCAA could come up with rules for it and enforce them is just asinine.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If anybody can give me a good reason why athletes in college shouldn't be paid or given gifts/perks/benefits from boosters, I would really like to hear it. Someone give me a good reason why the rules were put into place.
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It's not right that the university makes millions off these kids while they (the athletes) get about a $50,000 education. I don't blame these kids one bit for trying to make a little bit of money on the side.

But, would you want to go back to the wheeling and dealing days of old? Come to (insert school name here) and you'll get a free car, $1,000 a month and a degree! That's not right either.

I certainly see both sides because right now I'm a broke college student. I've payed for the large majority of my schooling here and it sucks.
 
#172
#172
College should also pay for long term disability insurance coverage for their student-athletes. It's unthinkable that a player like Chucky Mullins had to depend on charity from strangers just to survive.
Rasputin_Vol said:
If anybody can give me a good reason why athletes in college shouldn't be paid or given gifts/perks/benefits from boosters, I would really like to hear it. Someone give me a good reason why the rules were put into place.
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#174
the idea of paying student athletes is a little suspect to me. While I can agree with both sides of the subject, I think Pj brought around the pivitol point. How do you decide on how much?, to whom?, and in what context? Are we talking books, dorms, cars, tutors, apartments, shoes, or ect...? Those questions will have to be addressed. Also, and this is the big question...to whom to you award this to? Girls Basketball went to the Final Four, so were going to give them (X). The football team got to a lesser Bowl Game so they get (?). The baseball team was below 500 so....it goes on and on. What does C. Parker need that Coach Summit hasnt addressed? My final thought on the subject is this. If this is concievable you will have even greater seperation between programs not only within the confrences but also the nation. Big media friendly Eastern schools, ie: Notre Dame will bank. The media darlings such as Texas, ND, USC, Florida, and any others you can think of will seperate themselves from the rest of the NCAA. Teams acroos the country will suffer tremendously. Why would you go to aTm when Texas wil give you a new truck and pay for your dorm? Why would you come to Tennesee when you can go to Florida and have your $1000 a month allowance? And thats not a shot at Tennessee, thats just an example of how this can potentially turn. Selling "Rocky Top", although we all love it, would get hard. Besides that, it would be kinda hard to sell your program when you have seasons like the one the Vols are experiencing now, dont you think? Coaching controversy does not scream, "PROGRAM on the RISE". You have to take all of that into considerartion. It is a rich school gets richer scenario and it does not bode well for all. Espeacially the SEC imo, due to the competitivness of the confrence. I might me be way off. You might think Im an idiot, but its a conversation worth having. Your thoughts?
 
#175
#175
TXVOL07 said:
the idea of paying student athletes is a little suspect to me. While I can agree with both sides of the subject, I think Pj brought around the pivitol point. How do you decide on how much?, to whom?, and in what context? Are we talking books, dorms, cars, tutors, apartments, shoes, or ect...? Those questions will have to be addressed. Also, and this is the big question...to whom to you award this to? Girls Basketball went to the Final Four, so were going to give them (X). The football team got to a lesser Bowl Game so they get (?). The baseball team was below 500 so....it goes on and on. What does C. Parker need that Coach Summit hasnt addressed? My final thought on the subject is this. If this is concievable you will have even greater seperation between programs not only within the confrences but also the nation. Big media friendly Eastern schools, ie: Notre Dame will bank. The media darlings such as Texas, ND, USC, Florida, and any others you can think of will seperate themselves from the rest of the NCAA. Teams acroos the country will suffer tremendously. Why would you go to aTm when Texas wil give you a new truck and pay for your dorm? Why would you come to Tennesee when you can go to Florida and have your $1000 a month allowance? And thats not a shot at Tennessee, thats just an example of how this can potentially turn. Selling "Rocky Top", although we all love it, would get hard. Besides that, it would be kinda hard to sell your program when you have seasons like the one the Vols are experiencing now, dont you think? Coaching controversy does not scream, "PROGRAM on the RISE". You have to take all of that into considerartion. It is a rich school gets richer scenario and it does not bode well for all. Espeacially the SEC imo, due to the competitivness of the confrence. I might me be way off. You might think Im an idiot, but its a conversation worth having. Your thoughts?
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the free market decides, as has been the case since programs started making big money.
 
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