Ala. Sports Ed. comments on JC

[Volinnooga]

I bet a grand right now you could not throw a 10 yd out with guys 6'3" and taller charging at you. It is real easy to sit and tell yourself I could do that. It is much harder to actually go out and do it. You have already come up with excuses about the 5 yrs and scholarship. As bad as you think JC is, he is 100 times better then you are at it. But yet you feel you have the right to criticize him, classy.

Right on.

 

[SGMVols]

The difference being that I am not on scholarship at UT.
However, if I had been at UT for 5 years, I really believe I could do no worse, certainly could handle a center snap and hit a 10 yd out.

Then put your money where your mouth is, go up to Kiffin and tell him you want to try out as a QB. I'd love to see the reaction you get.

 

[JohnWardForever]

You missed my point. My point was that Stephens is not as good as Crompton. The reporter hasn't seen practice but he still knows better than our staff, who sees these kids daily.

No, you missed my point. Just because you can do it when it doesn't count means nothing if you can't do it when the chips are down. QB Robinson of South Pittsburg (surprised you with that one huh?) would be better than what I've seen from UT thus far.

 

[JohnWardForever]

I bet a grand right now you could not throw a 10 yd out with guys 6'3" and taller charging at you. It is real easy to sit and tell yourself I could do that. It is much harder to actually go out and do it. You have already come up with excuses about the 5 yrs and scholarship. As bad as you think JC is, he is 100 times better then you are at it. But yet you feel you have the right to criticize him, classy.

You guys are so funny. Of course Crompton should be better than me---I am not the one professing to be an SEC QB---and getting a $200k free education at UT.

Fans have given Cromp plenty of free passes---He has used them up.

 

[GmanTN]

You guys are so funny. Of course Crompton should be better than me---I am not the one professing to be an SEC QB---and getting a $200k free education at UT.

Fans have given Cromp plenty of free passes---He has used them up.

No amount of free education and free passes can begin to pay back the torture that kid has endured. You are just making excuses so you feel it is ok to ridicule the QB. Like I told you earlier, he is 100 times the QB you could ever be, but you think it is ok to talk bad about him...classy

In case you are unaware, he does not make the decision to play. The coach tells him he is playing, so he goes out and tries to do the best he can. But I suppose in your perfect eyes that is not something to admire a person for and resist the urge to boo or call him names.

 

[BERRY4HEISMAN!]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, or if not and you know where to find the article, please post. I seem to remember reading months ago in some article that JC looked good in practice, but one or more of the receivers commented that, IN PRACTICE, Jon was slower to make reads and therefore to pull the trigger on a throw than Nick. When you don't see something quickly or hesitate to pass, esp. in the SEC, the passing window is gone.
In my opinion, Kiffin knows JC sucks, but uses him to put off the blame. There are some idiots who think we have no one better to run the offense, but Nick is 4 of 4 this year, granted against WKU, but with my high school experience I could go out there and look as bad as Crompton. I could turn the wrong way on play action passes, overthrow, underthrow, throw the ball away for no reason (I know he has done this wisely a few times, but also unnecessarya few times), fall down for losses, fumble, throw to the other team, and yes I have full faith that I could make one decent throw out of 20 as well.
Lastly, who cares how someone looks in practice. Do I need to remind you that practice is practice, it doesn't count, ask Allen Iverson. There aren't TV cameras and tens of thousands of fans to turn Crompton into a nutcase.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Then put your money where your mouth is, go up to Kiffin and tell him you want to try out as a QB. I'd love to see the reaction you get.

I certainly would if I had any eligibility remaining--
Point is I am not an SEC QB-----But I KNOW it. And stating that I couldn't play the position is veering way of course of the real issue---If Cromp can't get it done, wth is he still in there? No one knows if Stephens would be better, we haven't SEEN him---except for mop up duty vs WKU--and he played well. Kiff seems to be the one beating a dead horse, not UT fans asking for a change.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, or if not and you know where to find the article, please post. I seem to remember reading months ago in some article that JC looked good in practice, but one or more of the receivers commented that, IN PRACTICE, Jon was slower to make reads and therefore to pull the trigger on a throw than Nick. When you don't see something quickly or hesitate to pass, esp. in the SEC, the passing window is gone.
In my opinion, Kiffin knows JC sucks, but uses him to put off the blame. There are some idiots who think we have no one better to run the offense, but Nick is 4 of 4 this year, granted against WKU, but with my high school experience I could go out there and look as bad as Crompton. I could turn the wrong way on play action passes, overthrow, underthrow, throw the ball away for no reason (I know he has done this wisely a few times, but also unnecessarya few times), fall down for losses, fumble, throw to the other team, and yes I have full faith that I could make one decent throw out of 20 as well.
Lastly, who cares how someone looks in practice. Do I need to remind you that practice is practice, it doesn't count, ask Allen Iverson. There aren't TV cameras and tens of thousands of fans to turn Crompton into a nutcase.

I remember that comment--think it was Gerald Jones. Indictment if I ever heard one.


Finally a REASONABLE POST!

 

[GmanTN]

The only thing reasonable about it is, it fits your desire to ridicule the QB. I am sure neither of you 2 would have any problems walking on because in your minds you are already better then the starter. You only live once...go for it

 

[JohnWardForever]

Season's not done until we're eliminated from a bowl game. We'll need the extra practices in December. It's not like we were going to win the conference going in. But I hear ya, I hate watching Crompton play too.

2 wins ---4 to go----Memphis and who else?

Not GA, SC, Al(rotf), Om, ----maybe Vandy--maybe UK ---although I am doubting UK because they will want us badly, and we will be motivated for what? Don't see a bowl. 5-7 at best. Outta there. We are in the group with MSU, Vandy, and UK.

 

[JohnWardForever]

The only thing reasonable about it is, it fits your desire to ridicule the QB. I am sure neither of you 2 would have any problems walking on because in your minds you are already better then the starter. You only live once...go for it

Dented that brick wall yet? We are not the danging QB.
Football is supposed to be entertainment--and THIS ain't making it. UT has probably the worst Quarterbacking in CFB. TENNESSEE!---Spin that.
When I watch Garcia of SC and think----if ours was only that good, I know our guy is really bad.

Insanity===doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results.

 

[BERRY4HEISMAN!]

The only thing reasonable about it is, it fits your desire to ridicule the QB. I am sure neither of you 2 would have any problems walking on because in your minds you are already better then the starter. You only live once...go for it

Negative. Just commenting on the hundreds of posts saying "We have no one better. Kiffin is the greatest coach UT could have possibly gotten, and he knows better than we do because he is at practice everyday". Good for him. However, if you're dumb enough to rely more on what you see in practice than game play then you shouldn't be paid over a million dollars.

I am not fortunate enough to go to UT thoughout the week to see the practices, and I'm sure Jon looks good, bc two coaching staffs have said that. But when he's under the bright lights, he fails. Everyone in America knows this, hence all the negative attention he, and we, are getting.

A lot of volnation simply tends to wear orange frosted glasses and say our coach knows best and anyone who questions him in a fool. That is simply mob mentality. If you're coach is being dumb, it doesn't make you any less or more of a fan to call him out. Tired of reading posts claiming, if you say anything negative about our players or coaches you aren't a true Tennessee fan.

P.S. I wasn't saying I could look better than JC, just saying I could look as bad. Not a very tough task to achieve.

 

[GmanTN]

Dented that brick wall yet? We are not the danging QB.
Football is supposed to be entertainment--and THIS ain't making it. UT has probably the worst Quarterbacking in CFB. TENNESSEE!---Spin that.
When I watch Garcia of SC and think----if ours was only that good, I know our guy is really bad.

Insanity===doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results.

Negative. Just commenting on the hundreds of posts saying "We have no one better. Kiffin is the greatest coach UT could have possibly gotten, and he knows better than we do because he is at practice everyday". Good for him. However, if you're dumb enough to rely more on what you see in practice than game play then you shouldn't be paid over a million dollars.

I am not fortunate enough to go to UT thoughout the week to see the practices, and I'm sure Jon looks good, bc two coaching staffs have said that. But when he's under the bright lights, he fails. Everyone in America knows this, hence all the negative attention he, and we, are getting.

A lot of volnation simply tends to wear orange frosted glasses and say our coach knows best and anyone who questions him in a fool. That is simply mob mentality. If you're coach is being dumb, it doesn't make you any less or more of a fan to call him out. Tired of reading posts claiming, if you say anything negative about our players or coaches you aren't a true Tennessee fan.

P.S. I wasn't saying I could look better than JC, just saying I could look as bad. Not a very tough task to achieve.

These are the type of responses that have zero validity to them other that to the person who typed them. I am not a JC or Stephens supporter nor was Kiffin my first or second choice. So first and foremost knock off the orange colored glasses BS. When you call someone out who has no control over it that is classless. CLK-Ok Jonathon I want you to go out and throw to Teague over the middle, JC - I don't want to coach they will boo and make me throw an INT, let Nick do it. Do you 2 think how much courage it takes for that kid to trot out on the field and do what the coaches ask him to do? He is doing it to the best of his ability and for that I admire the guy. If either 1 of you 2 had gone thru the death threats, the ridicule and the hate this kid has gone thru, you would probably committed suicide or ran under a rock somewhere and hid. Am I happy in his performance on the field? no... Do I want him pulled and Stephens in? I could care less but if Stephens was or is better we would see him. The HC has made it very clear he does not rotate QB's and I am glad to see a coach take a stand. The Great Pumpkin tried the rotate QB fiasco numerous times during his time here and it never worked. Being unhappy and wanting the team to win is great, but booing and crying like kids for a change, is classless. In closing I would also say that JC is a much bigger Vol fan then either me or you 2 will ever be. There is no way alot of the fans would take the bashing this kid has taken to wear the orange and still be a fan.

 

[samdavol]

Because he won the position over Stephens, real hard to figure out.

I dont think so. I think Kiffin thought he could fix him and make him a great QB, like the one he recruited 5 years ago. We know he must have seen he practices well, so on and so forth.....Stephens give us a better chance to win...does he give us a better chance to pull another BIG time QB from a commitment I dont know but it is the only thing that makes sense to me..... Im just sayin....

 

[GmanTN]

Playing Stephens is not going to scare any QB away, what will you guys be calling the excuse next year if Stephens starts and Bray sits. CLK does not want to play Bray because he does not want to scare off any QB prospects. No one in this state wants to win more then Kiffin after all the talk he has done.

 

[BERRY4HEISMAN!]

I agree with you Gman that it takes tremendous courage for Crompton to walk on that field each week knowing that the only people there who want him out there are his head coach and the other team and their supporters. That is a sincere statement, not an attempt at humor.
However, how long do you have to ride someone and make them the most hated person on the UT campus and throughout much of the state before you decide to give them a break. Take Jon out, if not for us, for his sake. I truly do feel bad for the kid and cannot even begin to imagine what he has to deal with walking around Knoxville. It is a shame, but as long as he is the starter, it won't stop.

 

[GmanTN]

I agree with you Gman that it takes tremendous courage for Crompton to walk on that field each week knowing that the only people there who want him out there are his head coach and the other team and their supporters. That is a sincere statement, not an attempt at humor.
However, how long do you have to ride someone and make them the most hated person on the UT campus and throughout much of the state before you decide to give them a break. Take Jon out, if not for us, for his sake. I truly do feel bad for the kid and cannot even begin to imagine what he has to deal with walking around Knoxville. It is a shame, but as long as he is the starter, it won't stop.

All I am saying there is no need to boo the kid or yell stupid remarks to him. Not to mention the fact I am sure recruits get on here and read the remarks. It is not like Volnation has not interviwed recruits and they have not heard of this site. I just feel in the long run it causes more harm then good. There is no a Vol fan out here that does not want to win and see a better performance from the QB position.

 

[SGMVols]

QB Robinson of South Pittsburg (surprised you with that one huh?) would be better than what I've seen from UT thus far.

I've seen him play, and you're dead wrong.

 

[J-P]

Gotta hand it to the OP. Once he makes up his mind about something, he's relentless in the pursuit of hand picked tidbits to support his position.

 

[Z06Vol]

I see this forum as a type of group therapy. Watching Crompton the past two years has been nothing short of the most frustrating era since I've been watching TN football. It's the overwhelming number one thing on most TN fans minds. It's all over the media, it's talked about by opposing teams fans and it doesn't bother me, one bit, if Vol fans come here to release a bit of frustration. Oh saying that, I wish all TN fans would do it here, on this forum, rather than boo at the games.

 

[Orange Maniac]

I don't think a coach worthy of controlling a top program ever thinks like that. A coach is worried about what he has to do to win the next game on his schedule. Whoever gives him the best chance to win "today's" game plays.

That may change at 2-8 or 1-9 in a season, but when you're 2-2, 3-4, or whatever, you play to win the next game on your schedule, not games 12-18 months away, you worry about those games when it's time to worry about them.

College football is a fluid game from year to year, a lot can change and every team is different from one year to the next. I'm sure Kiffin is worrying about the Tennessee Volunteers 2009, week 6, not the Spring Game for 2010.

You may be right, but I'm not sure that's the way CLK thinks. He wants to win now but in all his interviews he keeps talking about putting in the system and getting the recruits in to implement the system. He has always said "we will be good when we get good". He seems to be thinking more long term and big picture than most. Build the program up and keep it rolling. He seems to have a plan and he's sticking to it.

 

[warrior]

Evidently practice doesn't count. I'll trade all those "perfect practices" for a W vs a quality opponent.

We all know Cromp is great in practice---just can't translate.

A surgeon in training may be terrific working on a cadaver, but when a life is on the line----------------whoops------slips-----sorry---

That is what they say. Perhaps soon he will learn to transfer it to games. That would certainly be a feather in Lanes hat. I am crossing my fingers that one day it just "clicks".

 

[Billy Antrim]

What if CLK puts in Nick Stephens and he gets an ACL or similar injury? Where will we be next spring? We would do good to have enough quaterbacks to hold a practice. I don't know if this is why he's not putting in Nick or not but he probably knew this year would suck and doesn't want to jeopardize next season.

This is a rather strange theory. :crazy:

If this is true, Kiffin should bench ALL of the starters who will be returning next year so they won't get hurt!

 

[Orange Maniac]

This is a rather strange theory. :crazy:

If this is true, Kiffin should bench ALL of the starters who will be returning next year so they won't get hurt!

Strange to think the coach may want to keep a QB safe when we don't have any on board other than NL and possibly Bray. The QB position is a little different than the other positions. If you can't see that after this year, I don't know what to tell you. We have more depth at other positions than we do at QB and I don't think CLK wants to go into next year with only NL and Bray. Call it crazy or strange, but I think CLK is looking at the big picture, not nearsighted short term like a lot of folks on this board.

 

[GmanTN]

Strange to think the coach may want to keep a QB safe when we don't have any on board other than NL and possibly Bray. The QB position is a little different than the other positions. If you can't see that after this year, I don't know what to tell you. We have more depth at other positions than we do at QB and I don't think CLK wants to go into next year with only NL and Bray. Call it crazy or strange, but I think CLK is looking at the big picture, not nearsighted short term like a lot of folks on this board.

Any remote form of logic gets cast aside when you have so many fans banging the war drums thinking they know everything. I am just waiting for someone to come out and say Kiffin is purposely losing games to make Fulmer look bad.