AJ Johnson Update [verdict: NOT guilty]

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norrislakevol said:
And isn't that sad? Peoples lives on the line and it's up to just jury selection. That is the determining factor. That is B.S.
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That is a better scenerio than to have a single judge to determine your fate. Many other countries have those type of judicial system
Suppose the judge was prejudice in some way. Then you be screwed if you were a group that he was prejudice against. White Black Christian Muslim Obese Atheists Oriental Gay etc.
I bet O J likes our current system
What angers me is when an alleged victim is proven to have lied and the police do NOT charge them with a crime
So someone can call rape or domestic violence and there are not any consequences to them making a false claim
 
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Rudy123 said:
That is a better scenerio than to have a single judge to determine your fate. Many other countries have those type of judicial system
Suppose the judge was prejudice in some way. Then you be screwed if you were a group that he was prejudice against. White Black Christian Muslim Obese Atheists Oriental Gay etc.
I bet O J likes our current system
What angers me is when an alleged victim is proven to have lied and the police do NOT charge them with a crime
So someone can call rape or domestic violence and there are not any consequences to them making a false claim
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By the time most defendants get through the ringer, they’re not looking for FURTHER legal process.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So ruining the lives of 100 men is acceptable instead? There isn't a good solution but erring on the side of a simple accusation every time isn't either. Maybe identities of the accuser should be exposed?
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People are not charged with rape based on a simple accusation. They are charged when the police investigation provides enough evidence to the DA that DA feels it warrants a charge.

For every one false accuser, there are 100s if not 1000s of women who are actually sexually assaulted. It's been a horrible plague on societies as long as humanity has existed. ANYTHING that discourages actual victims from coming forward should be avoided.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
People are not charged with rape based on a simple accusation. They are charged when the police investigation provides enough evidence to the DA that DA feels it warrants a charge.

For every one false accuser, there are 100s if not 1000s of women who are actually sexually assaulted. It's been a horrible plague on societies as long as humanity has existed. ANYTHING that discourages actual victims from coming forward should be avoided.
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Link? Don't include **** like he looked at me wrong, or I'm uncomfortable around him, or he rubbed my butt. I'm taking about forced sexual contact.

Your keyword in your last paragraph isn't "anything" like you may intend, the keyword is "actual". And when a drunk consentual act turns into morning after regrets, a life gets ruined and it isn't hers. The first question that should be asked is were you intoxicated, second question is did the guy that you are accusing get you drunk. If the second answer is no and indications are it's consentual, then there needs to be a while lot of proof before even an accusation gets made. That's not how it works now.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Link? Don't include **** like he looked at me wrong, or I'm uncomfortable around him, or he rubbed my butt. I'm taking about forced sexual contact.

Your keyword in your last paragraph isn't "anything" like you may intend, the keyword is "actual". And when a drunk consentual act turns into morning after regrets, a life gets ruined and it isn't hers. The first question that should be asked is were you intoxicated, second question is did the guy that you are accusing get you drunk. If the second answer is no and indications are it's consentual, then there needs to be a while lot of proof before even an accusation gets made. That's not how it works now.
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How often do you think false accusations occur? Do you honestly believe there is a significant percentage of women who are "alleged" assault victims who actually make a false claim, suffer the process of a criminal trial, subject themselves to cross examination,etc. all in the interest of morning after regrets?
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
How often do you think false accusations occur? Do you honestly believe there is a significant percentage of women who are "alleged" assault victims who actually make a false claim, suffer the process of a criminal trial, subject themselves to cross examination,etc. all in the interest of morning after regrets?
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Wasn't asked but will answer. I think false accusations are pretty closely tied with how strongly they feel they can do it and stay anonymous. There are other motives and one of them potentially on display here... the "shame" of a rape is outweighed by the consequences of a consensual act becoming public. She had been cheating on her boyfriend who was apparently in love with her. Even if she cared nothing about him... the motive not to look like a tramp is pretty strong too.


That said, in today's climate, it appears to be a merit badge to make charges (true or false... or downright ridiculous) that you were sexually assaulted.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
People are not charged with rape based on a simple accusation. They are charged when the police investigation provides enough evidence to the DA that DA feels it warrants a charge.

For every one false accuser, there are 100s if not 1000s of women who are actually sexually assaulted. It's been a horrible plague on societies as long as humanity has existed. ANYTHING that discourages actual victims from coming forward should be avoided.
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Do you have reliable evidence to support that?

FTR, one rape is too many. One false accusation... is also too many.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
How often do you think false accusations occur? Do you honestly believe there is a significant percentage of women who are "alleged" assault victims who actually make a false claim, suffer the process of a criminal trial, subject themselves to cross examination,etc. all in the interest of morning after regrets?
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It’s happened enough that there should be safeguards if the ACCUSED ends up the victim. No perfect solution out there.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
How often do you think false accusations occur? Do you honestly believe there is a significant percentage of women who are "alleged" assault victims who actually make a false claim, suffer the process of a criminal trial, subject themselves to cross examination,etc. all in the interest of morning after regrets?
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Define “significant”. Letting ONE slide solves what?
 
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butchna said:
Define “significant”. Letting ONE slide solves what?
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It's a balance, obviously. There is no system in place, or even exists, that is going to serve justice to everyone every time.

Which is the greater evil? Men having their reputations tarnished, or women not reporting legitimate assaults for fear that if the process doesn't go their way, they face charges?
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
It's a balance, obviously. There is no system in place, or even exists, that is going to serve justice to everyone every time.

Which is the greater evil? Men having their reputations tarnished, or women not reporting legitimate assaults for fear that if the process doesn't go their way, they face charges?
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Ruin one life you ruin them all. Foundation of our legal system. Better 100 guilty go free than one innocent be falsely imprisoned.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
It's a balance, obviously. There is no system in place, or even exists, that is going to serve justice to everyone every time.

Which is the greater evil? Men having their reputations tarnished, or women not reporting legitimate assaults for fear that if the process doesn't go their way, they face charges?
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The problem is the word sexual assault covers as broad a category as theft. It covers everything from severe rape up to and including death to a stare that lasts 2 seconds too long. As long as the PC crowd is happy with the status quo, men will continue to bear the brunt of hurt feelings and morning after regret with much the same penalty as violent rape. His life is ruined, possibly his career, his family, and his potential to outrun the charges should they prove false. Not to mention jail time (although, if found guilty of a crime with violence, jail is a requirement). On the other hand, the female remains anonymous even if the male is exonerated. How is this even remotely just?

There are no feminists in a sexual assault, only women and men. We are equal until we aren't.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
It's a balance, obviously. There is no system in place, or even exists, that is going to serve justice to everyone every time.

Which is the greater evil? Men having their reputations tarnished, or women not reporting legitimate assaults for fear that if the process doesn't go their way, they face charges?
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Doesn't work that way. The only way the accuser would get charged is if there is undeniable proof that she lied. And even then, they don't always charge. They should though. . . Victim deserves justice, whether it's the accuser or the accused.
 
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Kristy* said:
Doesn't work that way. The only way the accuser would get charged is if there is undeniable proof that she lied. And even then, they don't always charge. They should though. . . Victim deserves justice, whether it's the accuser or the accused.
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I know it doesn’t work that way. I am arguing against those who believe that it should.
 
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If you have sex with a women and she gets pissed and says that you raped her, you are more than likely going to get charged, especially when she has a sexual assault exam and your DNA is detected. May or may not get found guilty, but you’ll likely get charged.

Now I’m not saying this is the case with AJ but there are some folks on here that don’t really understand the process. I just think until you are found guilty, you should just be to continue life so it doesn’t get ruined if you are found innocent.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
If you have sex with a women and she gets pissed and says that you raped her, you are more than likely going to get charged, especially when she has a sexual assault exam and your DNA is detected. May or may not get found guilty, but you’ll likely get charged.

Now I’m not saying this is the case with AJ but there are some folks on here that don’t really understand the process. I just think until you are found guilty, you should just be to continue life so it doesn’t get ruined if you are found innocent.
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He can't though. He's already been found guilty in the court of public opinion and the path of his life will forever be negatively affected, regardless of the outcome of his trial. That's the part I have a problem with. If he's found guilty, then obviously he should should serve time. Until then, all his dreams and accomplishments shouldn't be dashed. You know, presumed innocent and all. . .
 
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Flipdaddy said:
If you have sex with a women and she gets pissed and says that you raped her, you are more than likely going to get charged, especially when she has a sexual assault exam and your DNA is detected. May or may not get found guilty, but you’ll likely get charged.

Now I’m not saying this is the case with AJ but there are some folks on here that don’t really understand the process. I just think until you are found guilty, you should just be to continue life so it doesn’t get ruined if you are found innocent.
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I think it's exactly the case with AJ. That is my personal opine. Williams, not so much.

You have to ask yourself, how many personal boundaries did this chick cross by having reportedly consensual sex with someone other than the person she was currently "involved" with on the same team with two other people in the room? I am so far out of my safe sex league it's not funny. I think the minute they threw the phones away they lost any aspect of victimization in this case. I have to believe that Williams will be in trouble here though. I don't know how that gets done if they are tried together.
 
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sjt18 said:
... There are other motives and one of them potentially on display here... the "shame" of a rape is outweighed by the consequences of a consensual act becoming public. She had been cheating on her boyfriend who was apparently in love with her. Even if she cared nothing about him... the motive not to look like a tramp is pretty strong too...
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There is no merit to this argument in this case.

It’s very likely that everyone in her peer group already knew about what was going on. And once she made an allegation of rape, the rumor mill spread to a much larger group. Further, because of the testimony in court and it’s nature, everyone who has read any reporting knows that she was envolved in a prolonged consensual sexual relationship with A.J. And that they were not a “couple.” Anyone with even the most casual relationships within her circle of friends and family knows who accuser is and the nature of this case.

The allegation of rape made the knowledge of her consensual acts FAR more public than if she would have said nothing.
 
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#124
AJ's case is unusual in that the claim against him is that he "helped" his co-defendant sexually assault the alleged victim in the case. The victim never claims that her sexual encounters with AJ were anything but consensual. I was surprised that the Judge denied the most recent request to "sever" the case and allow AJ to have his cased tried separate from the co-defendant. It certainly complicates AJ's defense. AJ's professional career and basically his life has been put on hold and perhaps ruined for 4 years waiting on this trial. If he is found not guilty I hope he is allowed to put this situation behind him and try and put his life back together.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
People are not charged with rape based on a simple accusation. They are charged when the police investigation provides enough evidence to the DA that DA feels it warrants a charge.

For every one false accuser, there are 100s if not 1000s of women who are actually sexually assaulted. It's been a horrible plague on societies as long as humanity has existed. ANYTHING that discourages actual victims from coming forward should be avoided.
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Tell that to the Duke Lacrosse team.
 
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