AJ Johnson/Michael Williams Case (merged)

[Dave1967]

You need help!! You are sick!!

:crazy::moon2::shaking2::tease2::neener::neener:

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm not claiming she shouldn't be punished for gals accusation. The argument started on my end w people blindly assuming she made it up to cash in.ive done a poor job of staying focused on that

And I guess I'm not really focsued on what her motive would be. The fact is that woman can and do lie about rape for whatever reason. The reason why is of little concern. I'm more focused on the consequences for both parties.

 

[GAVol]

And I guess I'm not really focsued on what her motive would be. The fact is that woman can and do lie about rape for whatever reason. The reason why is of little concern. I'm more focused on the consequences for both parties.

Sure, there are false allegations out there. At the same time, there are legitimate allegations that don't result in convictions.

 

[brian241]

MAAN » Myths about false accusation

Those statistics have been debunked numerous times. It's feminist propaganda. The 2% number is nothing more than an anecdote presented by a female police detective during a speech back in the 70's or 80's to a feminist convention she was paid to speak at-every other citation of this statistic is a woozle. The notion that you can accurately measure the number of 'unreported rapes' is laughably absurd.

The fact is that almost all of the 'statistics' surrounding this issue that you see are fabricated by the very nuts who depend on inflated numbers of victims for the funding of their jobs. You know the '1 in 5' college girls will be raped number (which has been debunked so many dozens of times yet still gets repeated daily by people who should know better) was derived by a ridiculously small sample size. Almost all of the individuals who the study determined to have been 'raped' actually stated specifically that they never had been raped, but by answering affirmatively to the question of whether they engaged in sex after having consumed alcohol, or if their consent was obtained after being badgered (not forced-but simply a guy asking for it over and over until she said yes) the 'study' counted them as being raped.

As for a study conducted by someone who doesn't have a bias or conflict of interest that would tend to discredit them into false rape allegations, here is one:

false rape allegations constitute 41% the total forcible rape cases.

That study is not perfect, but it is much better than a bunch of fabricated bs public relations spin by the rape culture vulture profiteers masquerading as actual researchers. Yes false rape claims do happen. They are not anywhere near the low figure of 2%. On college campuses they are undoubtedly much higher now than they were several years ago because of the federally mandated hysteria has allowed extremists to indoctrinate almost all college students with all sorts of false notions such as a drunk (but not incapacitated) female cannot consent to sex. Add to that now due to the TITLE IX based federal mandates that colleges are forced to (and girls are being coached on this at orientation) offer mandatory academic accommodations such as extensions on papers, exams, the ability to withdraw without penalty when other students cannot due to a deadline, change dorms, etc. simply for claiming to have been sexually assaulted. As soon as these new guidelines were imposed back in 2011, a large number of the women within the federal office that was responsible for imposing those regulations on all colleges getting federal $ (which is all but a handful of traditional colleges outside of the for profit sector) went on to take high six figure jobs at universities administering these new guidelines-they used to call it racketeering, I now call it rapeteering.

Point is, the studies in the source you linked to are self serving fabricated bs. Does any of this mean AJ did or did not rape that girl? No. But it does mean that any sort of connotation that he is likely guilty because false allegations are incredibly rare is absolute bovine excrement.

 

[oregonvol]

And nobody remembers who accused him... Did she even go to jail?

Why would she? No one proved that she was lying. He wasn't even acquitted. She decided not to testify after getting death threats while his defense team repeatedly leaked her name. I don't know if he was guilty or not but her blood was on his shirt, that's a matter of public record.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Those statistics have been debunked numerous times. It's feminist propaganda. The 2% number is nothing more than an anecdote presented by a female police detective during a speech back in the 70's or 80's to a feminist convention she was paid to speak at-every other citation of this statistic is a woozle. The notion that you can accurately measure the number of 'unreported rapes' is laughably absurd.

The fact is that almost all of the 'statistics' surrounding this issue that you see are fabricated by the very nuts who depend on inflated numbers of victims for the funding of their jobs. You know the '1 in 5' college girls will be raped number (which has been debunked so many dozens of times yet still gets repeated daily by people who should know better) was derived by a ridiculously small sample size. Almost all of the individuals who the study determined to have been 'raped' actually stated specifically that they never had been raped, but by answering affirmatively to the question of whether they engaged in sex after having consumed alcohol, or if their consent was obtained after being badgered (not forced-but simply a guy asking for it over and over until she said yes) the 'study' counted them as being raped.

As for a study conducted by someone who doesn't have a bias or conflict of interest that would tend to discredit them into false rape allegations, here is one:

false rape allegations constitute 41% the total forcible rape cases.

That study is not perfect, but it is much better than a bunch of fabricated bs public relations spin by the rape culture vulture profiteers masquerading as actual researchers. Yes false rape claims do happen. They are not anywhere near the low figure of 2%. On college campuses they are undoubtedly much higher now than they were several years ago because of the federally mandated hysteria has allowed extremists to indoctrinate almost all college students with all sorts of false notions such as a drunk (but not incapacitated) female cannot consent to sex. Add to that now due to the TITLE IX based federal mandates that colleges are forced to (and girls are being coached on this at orientation) offer mandatory academic accommodations such as extensions on papers, exams, the ability to withdraw without penalty when other students cannot due to a deadline, change dorms, etc. simply for claiming to have been sexually assaulted. As soon as these new guidelines were imposed back in 2011, a large number of the women within the federal office that was responsible for imposing those regulations on all colleges getting federal $ (which is all but a handful of traditional colleges outside of the for profit sector) went on to take high six figure jobs at universities administering these new guidelines-they used to call it racketeering, I now call it rapeteering.

Point is, the studies in the source you linked to are self serving fabricated bs. Does any of this mean AJ did or did not rape that girl? No. But it does mean that any sort of connotation that he is likely guilty because false allegations are incredibly rare is absolute bovine excrement.

Begging is rape?! Oh shiznit I'm in trouble.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Sure, there are false allegations out there. At the same time, there are legitimate allegations that don't result in convictions.

I'm aware of that. Where have I said anything to the contrary?

It comes down to society having to make the tough decision: Putting an innocent man in prison on a false allegation or putting a woman in jail for filing a false charge when the rapist may have actually gotten away with it? All I know is this, the pendulum has swung too far in favor locking up innocent men and hardly ever seeing any cases when a woman (innocent or guilty) is jailed for making a false allegation.

That is not justice.

 

[MR_VOL]

Where are the licensed attorney's when you need one? Should one be on Volnation please explain the difference between the way justice is supposed to work versus how it actually works. I believe most on this site have never been involved in an actual court case, which is good, but that limits the actual knowledge of the true court system.

And for AJ it is all about him having the correct attorney and for damn sure not a Public Defender.

 

[LWSVOL]

Orta set it up, assuming he still is.

Orta is not on the team.

I'm sure AJ's lawyer will kill this thing.

 

[tennrich1]

With fear and trembling I enter this conversation..,,I worked around this type of thing for years..,,rape is disgusting and perverted and deserves severe punishment but false accusation happens all the time. You never hear much about it because usually in a day or two the truth comes out. Mostly it's ex-wife, girlfriend, etc and it's usually motivated by revenge..,,so to say false accusation doesn't happen often is naive and mis-informed at best. I suspect if AJ is guilty he will go to jail .., if not .,, most likely he'll go free.., and all this yapping will be for naught..,,,

 

[crusse10]

Assuming innocence in this kind of case is to assume guilt on the other side. All these threads do is feign guilt of AJ while looking for any possible way that the complainant isn't telling the truth. The threads are ridiculously pointless and need to stop. It achieves absolutely no justice for either side because all it does is smear the opposition without knowing hardly any facts.

 

[Kelley_VFL]

Orta is obviously desperate for cash. He tried to sell all of his ut gear. Very skeptical about his motives. Who knows where the funds will actually be going??!!

 

[Weezer]

How about a fund for the victim to help pay for her expenses? Seems more appropriate imo.

That fund already exists. It's called taxes. How do you think the DA gets paid? Glad to see you've already predetermined guilt.

That said, the possibility that AJ could be guilty would prevent me from ever contributing to his defense. I admit, I hope he's innocent, not because he played for UT, but simply because I hope he's a better person than that. I'd wish that for anyone. But I don't know him personally. Maybe he's not a better person than that. And the fact that monsters do exist stops me from putting too much faith in a man I've never met.

 

[Coug]

Assuming innocence in this kind of case is to assume guilt on the other side. All these threads do is feign guilt of AJ while looking for any possible way that the complainant isn't telling the truth. The threads are ridiculously pointless and need to stop. It achieves absolutely no justice for either side because all it does is smear the opposition without knowing hardly any facts.

This post is full of irony.

 

[FLVOL_79]

How about a fund for the victim to help pay for her expenses? Seems more appropriate imo.

What expenses? She can make the claim and doesnt have to pay a dime. Now the taxpayers get to fund the prosecution, not the "victim".

 

[agr708]

The real problem here is that you guys have nothing better to do than to argue over something that has nothing to do with you. Give it up. The outcome will not affect you in any way!!!

 

[RSATURDAY]

Bull****. Ray Lewis helped cover up a murder and is no doubt hall of fame. If acquitted, AJ probably wont make it because he isn't that good

Rumor is you have a double innie and parade around in women's robes in front of the mirror.

 

[508mikey]

Orta is obviously desperate for cash. He tried to sell all of his ut gear. Very skeptical about his motives. Who knows where the funds will actually be going??!!

probably correct about this -

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Orta is obviously desperate for cash. He tried to sell all of his ut gear. Very skeptical about his motives. Who knows where the funds will actually be going??!!

Maybe he's planning on throwing a party

 

[smokey0625]

Google is pretty easy to use, even for the slobs on this site. I'm surprised Bloomberg isn't over your head.

Seems like it's your opinion on rape versus mine. Knowing my situation in life, I'll take my opinion

I agree with you.

 

[livefaith]

In before Marxist college student equates AJ's machine gunnery with rape.

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[brian241]

This post is full of irony.

Irony isn't the only thing it's full of

Assuming innocence in this kind of case is to assume guilt on the other side.

It is not a stretch that a female being forthcoming and operating in good faith reports an act that she felt criminally victimized her. When it turns out that said action is not a crime but rather the accusation was false that doesn't then make the accuser 'guilty' of anything, but rather it makes both the accused and the accuser victims of a breakdown in the system.

Now I don't want to downplay the notion that there are too many women out there who maliciously wield a false rape accusation as a weapon of revenge or for her own personal gain. But that doesn't mean that the mere act of having a healthy (imo) skepticism towards serious criminal allegations automatically requires pointing the finger at the purported victim as a liar.

 

[utvolpj]

Citizens are already funding his defense. If he needs something different he can do what everyone else in this country had to do

 

[livefaith]

The real problem here is that you guys have nothing better to do than to argue over something that has nothing to do with you. Give it up. The outcome will not affect you in any way!!!

The irony here is thick.

 

[butchna]

George Bush does not care...about black people.