AJ Johnson/Michael Williams Case (merged)

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VolFaninV said:
This is nothing like the duke situation.if you think it is you are on another level of horribly retarded tenn fan
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Let's see here. We have an unsubstantiated claim that an athlete or athletes raped a woman. And people like you rush to judgement before any facts come out.

Sounds a lot like it to me.
 
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Idk about this. I feel as though we need to let the process play out. If it is determined that he did in fact forcefully take advantage of this girl...would you feel comfortable financially supporting a rapist?
 
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o3marine52 said:
Let's see here. We have an unsubstantiated claim that an athlete or athletes raped a woman. And people like you rush to judgement before any facts come out.

Sounds a lot like it to me.
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I haven't judged anything. How do you know this is unsubstantiated? Why do you assume the DA is anything like Nifong?

A college girl says she was raped. The indictment wouldn't happen if he wasn't involved somehow in the situation. This isn't 1950s Mississippi. If he is not guilty he will be found not guilty and will be able to pursue the NFL.
 
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AJ is innocent until proven guilty however I do not personally know AJ or the circumstances well enough to say I think/feel he is guilty/innocent. As such I will only advocate for the truth and justice, wherever it may lie. Donating to his cause without knowing more about the situation wouldn't be right.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Simple. He didn't open his eyes to what has been going on in the world of college athletics and allowed himself to be in a situation where this happened. I'm not saying he has to be abstinent, but damn, have some smarts. All these high profile athletes have been getting in situations like this, so why hook up with a random chick in a bar when you're a high profile athlete?
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So... he was asking for it?
 
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o3marine52 said:
Guessing you do not like justice to run its course? How about we go ahead and hang em high before we let the justice system work.

Funny how she is the "victim" before any facts have come out.
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Generally speaking, it is the "victim" who calls the police, not the perpetrator. Based on that, she would seem to be the "victim" at the moment.
 
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VolFaninV said:
I haven't judged anything. How do you know this is unsubstantiated? Why do you assume the DA is anything like Nifong?

A college girl says she was raped. The indictment wouldn't happen if he wasn't involved somehow in the situation. This isn't 1950s Mississippi. If he is not guilty he will be found not guilty and will be able to pursue the NFL.
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And college girls unfortunately say they are raped all the time. I hate it for the ones who are telling the truth, but a large portion lie about it.

A mans career is being ruined, and you are clearly giving her the benefit of the doubt, while having no concern if she is in fact telling the truth.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Idk about this. I feel as though we need to let the process play out. If it is determined that he did in fact forcefully take advantage of this girl...would you feel comfortable financially supporting a rapist?
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No more or less than the person that bought a ticket, a jersey or asked for his autograph. All of those people should be just as guilty, using that logic.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What evidence do you have that no one else doesn't have?
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I don't have any. Evidence. There never was a case w the duke situation, the girl was a stripper who lied and the DA hopped on it immediately. The steps in this case are remarkably different.

Also, it's "what evidence do you have that no one else has?" I'm assuming you're trying to be quick witted but never know on this place. If so, well done.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Generally speaking, it is the "victim" who calls the police, not the perpetrator. Based on that, she would seem to be the "victim" at the moment.
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Not true in any way. I chose not to send a man to prison over the word "seem". Forgive for being completely against you who are apparently more politically correct than I am.
 
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o3marine52 said:
And college girls unfortunately say they are raped all the time. I hate it for the ones who are telling the truth, but a large portion lie about it.

A mans career is being ruined, and you are clearly giving her the benefit of the doubt, while having no concern if she is in fact telling the truth.
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So your argument is a significant portion of rape claims are false?
 
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VolFaninV said:
I haven't judged anything. How do you know this is unsubstantiated? Why do you assume the DA is anything like Nifong?

A college girl says she was raped. The indictment wouldn't happen if he wasn't involved somehow in the situation. This isn't 1950s Mississippi. If he is not guilty he will be found not guilty and will be able to pursue the NFL.
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Even if they clear him today, look at what all this woman may have done to his life already. Ruined his good name, ruined his senior season, damaged his draft stock... yes, it would be a tragedy.
 
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Weezer said:
You place way too much faith in the legal system. By your own words, if AJ is found not guilty, it's not because he could be innocent, it's because the prosecution failed to prove it's case. There is a flip-side. AJ could be found guilty but in reality be innocent. Innocent men have sat in jail for crimes they didn't commit before, so it's certainly a possibility.

My problem with your arguements is that you argue from the POV he is guilty. You've already predetermined he committed a heinous act. If he is indeed guilty, I hope he pays dearly, but the door is still open that he is completely innocent. A GJ indictment does not mean he's guilty. It doesn't mean that from this point forward he should be presumed to have committed the crime and if not convicted, it's not because he's innocent, it's because the prosecution failed. You can spout all you want about "charges wouldn't have been filed" if there wasn't something to the case, but like I said above, innocent men have been convicted before, and I'm willing to bet more will be in the future.

And please save the arguement of evidence. Evidence can be open to interpretation. It's rarely black and white, close the book, he's guilty type of evidence that's presented to a GJ. If you have that type of evidence, you don't need a GJ. If you have that type of evidence, the defendant is more likely to accept a plea agreement because they know their goose is cooked.

This isn't a case of, "Well the GJ indicted hime, he must be guilty. The only way he gets off now is if the DA screws up." We're still in the stages where due process is at work, and until a trial jury says "guilty", he should be presumed innocent. That's how the law is supposed to work.
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Obviously you have misunderstood my point that I have stated over and over again. Once probable cause has been established and charges have been filed there are ONLY two possible outcomes once a jury has the case. Guilty or Not Guilty. Those are the only two verdicts that a jury can come back with, there can be a hung jury which means they can't reach a decision and the prosecution will have to put on a new trial. But, that's very rare.

I have stated over and over again that it will be up to each to decide if a not guilty verdict means he is innocent. I will make my decision regarding his innocence or guilt after I learn all of the facts and circumstances.

But, the fact the fact remains that there is enough evidence to support the indictment that more likely than not he committed a crime. Had probable cause not been established, then he never gets indicted or arrested, and he's off to the NFL.
 
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o3marine52 said:
And college girls unfortunately say they are raped all the time. I hate it for the ones who are telling the truth, but a large portion lie about it.

A mans career is being ruined, and you are clearly giving her the benefit of the doubt, while having no concern if she is in fact telling the truth.
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It happened to my roommate in college. Girl said he raped her and then had to take it back 2 days later.
 
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All I'm saying is he would be pretty stupid to do that, just months before the NFL draft. If he would've went pro after his Jr year, he would be playing for an NFL team making millions. Why would anyone with half a brain do something like that, so close to the draft?
 
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