AJ Johnson/Michael Williams Case (merged)

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dduncan4163 said:
If they are found innocent though sadly it still will probably haunt them for the rest of their lives. Their reputations are ruined.
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This simply isn't true. If they live in East TN, sure people will know who they are. Anywhere else in the world, their lives will likely go on unchanged if found not guilty.

There's a reason job applications ask if "You have ever been convicted of a crime" and not if you have ever been charged with a crime.
 
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GAVol said:
charges don't get filed on a whim, But silly to assign guilt or innocence at this point. We know very few details.
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Correct. All that has been established is Probable Cause. The prosecution will still have to prove its case at trial to the jurors beyond any reasonable doubt which isn't easy and a much higher standard than Probable Cause.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Did he witness a crime that MW committed and allow it to happen without stopping it? So does that make AJ an accessory to a felony? He may not have done anything to stop it from getting out of control and this is where he maybe found guilty. He may not have raped her, but he may have knowingly allowed MW to commit the crime of rape by ignoring her cries for help or words of No.
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Reading through that GJ bill it would seem both are accused of rape. If one part of her story or claim is called into question because of these texts then it may become very difficult to prove any part of it.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Reading through that GJ bill it would seem both are accused of rape. If one part of her story or claim is called into question because of these texts then it may become very difficult to prove any part of it.
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It's hard to weed through all this without knowing the facts

Guilt by association? The way the GJ indictment reads makes it sound like it all happen at once, but the truth of the matter is that it could have been two isolated incidents. The other friend's testimony one would think will be very interesting (critical) and I wonder if she testified as a witness before the GJ
 
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MFL said:
That's why folks are spinning wheels trying to make a case. We will know after the jury talks and that want be until after the judge dismisses them. This thread is for those that love controversy with others.:lolabove:
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Actually, this thread was started to inform people that AJ had turned himself in.
 
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gunner said:
Was OJ Simpson found to be innocent in his criminal trial for murder after his arrest? Didn't the jury find him not guilty? Does that mean he was innocent?

He was later found guilty when sued in civil court for wrongful death of his wife and her family was awarded a multi-million dollar lawsuit. Does that make him guilty or innocent?

Keep in mind there are two different levels of proof required in a criminal court as opposed to civil court. Civil court requires preponderance of evidence, and criminal court requires proof beyond any reasonable doubt. Beyond any reasonable doubt is a much higher standard than preponderance of evidence. Both are higher than Probable cause.

Imo a not guilty verdict means that OJ wasn't guilty as charged in his criminal case because the prosecution failed to meet the burden of proof required to gain his conviction for murder by convincing the jury of his guilt.

That doesn't mean he was innocent as the civil court found him guilty of wrongful death because of the lower standard required in a civil proceeding.

My point is that AJ will either found guilty or not by a jury, (if he goes to trial) it's up to everyone else to decide if he's innocent or not.
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My point is if he is found innocent then it is quite possible he is, not the 'jury failed to act properly' statement. The thing is most likely only 2 to 3 people really know what happened and as time goes by even those accounts can become blurred. This is why I have a problem with them waiting 4 months to indict.
 
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Volnation: Where you can't support the players if you support the victim and you can't support the victim if you support the players.

FWIW: I think the video evidence was referenced from the Vandy trial and there was some mention of text messages being submitted as evidence to the grand jury. Therefore, an illogical conclusion was made that they text messages reviewed by the grand jury had video evidence since they were both rape charges.
 
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Interesting thing to me, if AJ thought there was a crime committed wouldn't he have cleaned up his bedroom a little better? He left some incriminating evidence around. I am not saying he's guilty of not, just thinking. I apologize if this has been posted already.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
My point is if he is found innocent then it is quite possible he is, not the 'jury failed to act properly' statement. The thing is most likely only 2 to 3 people really know what happened and as time goes by even those accounts can become blurred. This is why I have a problem with them waiting 4 months to indict.
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Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. I just wish people understood the system better and how it works before they form their opinion.
 
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gunner said:
Thats what's great about this country your entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

I hope we can agree to disagree.
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In my experience, there are two types of cases that go before grand juries.
One is after it has been bound over from Sessions Court, either after a preliminary hearing in which probable cause is established to the satisfaction of the judge or the defendant waives his right to a PH. In this case there has already been two PC reviews---one by the charging agency/DA and one by the PH Judge before the case reaches the GJ. The grand jury almost always indicts these cases, and many times only the investigating officer testifies before the GJ.
The other type is where the DA/LE go straight to the GJ.
This is done sometimes to avoid a victim testifying at a PH, or where the decision to charge by LE is somewhat indecisive, or for other strategic reasons. If its a close case to charge, the DA is more likely to present everything to the GJ so the decision to charge is more on them (Ferguson MO case). In AJ's case we have no way of knowing at this time if this was a strategic decision to keep the victim from testifying at a PH or whether they were looking for GJ "cover" on whether to charge or not. It could been a combination of both.
 
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I would have to know circumstances before i would donate anything. I wouldn't wanna make it easier for him to beat it, our justice system is already a joke.
 
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I would have to know circumstances before i would donate anything. I wouldn't wanna make it easier for him to beat it, our justice system is already a joke. Hopefully he is innocent though
 
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Obviously , no one has been convicted . I kept an open mind about this until recently . Too many things are lining up that point to guilt for me . I hope I'm wrong though.

The article says that the police talk to the girl at UT Medical Center . That right there tells me that a rape kit was done . The fact that they went with "aggravated rape" instead of just rape tells me that the girl presented at the hospital with physical signs of rape that was pretty bad . Plus the fact that Bowles and Payne testified for the prosecution looks very bad . In this day and age with forensics being what they are , if the rape kit was done its not hard to prove rape

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if they took a plea bargain instead of going to court . Obviously I don't know all the facts of the case
 
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