AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

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82_VOL_83 said:
Be careful you are never accused of something...... I for one would never want you in a court room. The idea that you would convict on an accusation is scary.
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Sad thing is there is alot of people setting in the courtroom with this outlook..
 
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usfdv said:
Now didn't lots of you suggest, if he's found innocent or not charged, or even before knowing if he will be, that the victim in this case, it would mean she lied? Likewise then, how would she prove herself innocent of such a thing? The coin falls both ways. If he's not charged, I did say that doesn't mean he's innocent. It also doesn't mean he's guilty. Its a sad part in life isn't it? That People would from the alleged day forward, use better judgement around someone until they prove to them personally it was never true. Life works that way, whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I wouldn't trust an alleged drug addict around my things or an alleged alcoholic or so on. That's not biased on my side, people, once accused, have to regain trust. What's so sad about that just because he's a football player? This makes him extra special or above the way this works in the world? Well doesn't that mentality make for an awful lot of entitlement?
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Get outta here.
 
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usfdv said:
Victims of rape and domestic violence are accused of lots of things. I'm not perfect, I never said an acusation means someone is convicted. I don't convict anyone. I don't sit and say "so and So couldn't have, So and so looks so nice and Does good things so he couldn't have."
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I don't know which highschool textbook you are getting your facts and figures from, but you are presenting wrong facts. While in general some of what you have said is true, regarding most rapes being between people that know each other, the 1% going to trial and 3% convictions is crap you pulled out of the air. As to what you keep referring to, the whole point you are attacking is the societal preference to "blame the victim", which is a societal coping mechanism allowing people to go through life without having extremely cynical, paranoid, and broken views of reality due to facing the extreme evils of this Earth, I.E. rape "she shouldn't have led him on" "she shouldn't dress that way" etc, etc. You, however, have presented yourself as warped the other way, that even if you are completely innocent, you are partially guilty, which, by the way, is just the reciprocal version of the exact same thing you are complaining about. The truth of the matter is that every situation and person is an individual case study and must be treated that way. Right now, all anyone has to go on is secondhand accounts and the fiercely limited information that has been reported. I am pulling for AJ, his character to this point has presented a different view of him, and for the record, your view that most rapes are with people of good public reputation is bunk as well, as most rapists fall into three categories that all are representative of severe issues in their background and past history. However, if he did do it, he will be punished accordingly. If he is found innocent, an investigation should then be made against the woman for slander and false accusation of rape, and if SHE is then found guilty, she should be punished. Facts and figures can be morphed into whatever you want of it until you understand the context and concepts behind them.
 
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LurtzVol109 said:
I don't know which highschool textbook you are getting your facts and figures from, but you are presenting wrong facts. While in general some of what you have said is true, regarding most rapes being between people that know each other, the 1% going to trial and 3% convictions is crap you pulled out of the air. As to what you keep referring to, the whole point you are attacking is the societal preference to "blame the victim", which is a societal coping mechanism allowing people to go through life without having extremely cynical, paranoid, and broken views of reality due to facing the extreme evils of this Earth, I.E. rape "she shouldn't have led him on" "she shouldn't dress that way" etc, etc. You, however, have presented yourself as warped the other way, that even if you are completely innocent, you are partially guilty, which, by the way, is just the reciprocal version of the exact same thing you are complaining about. The truth of the matter is that every situation and person is an individual case study and must be treated that way. Right now, all anyone has to go on is secondhand accounts and the fiercely limited information that has been reported. I am pulling for AJ, his character to this point has presented a different view of him, and for the record, your view that most rapes are with people of good public reputation is bunk as well, as most rapists fall into three categories that all are representative of severe issues in their background and past history. However, if he did do it, he will be punished accordingly. If he is found innocent, an investigation should then be made against the woman for slander and false accusation of rape, and if SHE is then found guilty, she should be punished. Facts and figures can be morphed into whatever you want of it until you understand the context and concepts behind them.
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Nope.
 
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usfdv said:
Nope.
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Yea, the criminal justice major who also gets classes every other month from the army on rape, suicide, and other major societal issues, and also takes extra classes in criminology, psychology, and sociology has no clue what he's talking about. Your highly insightful answer defies all.
 
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LurtzVol109 said:
I don't know which highschool textbook you are getting your facts and figures from, but you are presenting wrong facts. While in general some of what you have said is true, regarding most rapes being between people that know each other, the 1% going to trial and 3% convictions is crap you pulled out of the air. As to what you keep referring to, the whole point you are attacking is the societal preference to "blame the victim", which is a societal coping mechanism allowing people to go through life without having extremely cynical, paranoid, and broken views of reality due to facing the extreme evils of this Earth, I.E. rape "she shouldn't have led him on" "she shouldn't dress that way" etc, etc. You, however, have presented yourself as warped the other way, that even if you are completely innocent, you are partially guilty, which, by the way, is just the reciprocal version of the exact same thing you are complaining about. The truth of the matter is that every situation and person is an individual case study and must be treated that way. Right now, all anyone has to go on is secondhand accounts and the fiercely limited information that has been reported. I am pulling for AJ, his character to this point has presented a different view of him, and for the record, your view that most rapes are with people of good public reputation is bunk as well, as most rapists fall into three categories that all are representative of severe issues in their background and past history. However, if he did do it, he will be punished accordingly. If he is found innocent, an investigation should then be made against the woman for slander and false accusation of rape, and if SHE is then found guilty, she should be punished. Facts and figures can be morphed into whatever you want of it until you understand the context and concepts behind them.
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Wow, good point. I've sat thru several military based trainings for this type of stuff and they always mention the reasons that people don't report sexual assaults. Afraid of criticism because of what they wear or people will say that they sleep around all the time anyway, etc. I've never thought about it from the falsely accused angle. Alot of posters have said that he put himself in that situation and that as an NFL bound athlete, he should have known better even if he didn't do the crime. I get that "no means no" but yes, also means yes!


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Nope.
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usfdv, I think I have you figured out. This is all an assumption but I would venture to say that you have received training on this subject but not from a law school or college criminology classes. Probably a third party training such as what the military offers/requires or certain business organizations require. And you are not actually a criminal investigator or lawyer. I would also assume that you are a response victim advocate or some type of person that can take phone calls night or day and help talk to or guide victims claiming assault. How close am I?
 
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usfdv said:
I didn't share with you my opinion about humans in general. I shared an educated reality on a subject and the social response. If the subject of certain crime means I think a certain way about the human race you'd have to point that out to me.

If he's not charged, this doesn't mean he's innocent. If he's charged and then tried and found innocent, doesn't mean he's innocent. Its highly unlikely there would be a trial. Less than one percent of cases go to trial. Only 3 percent of rape cases endin conviction. If you require a guilty verdict to view someone with enough skepticism to lose trust in them in some ways, then yes....keep your daughters home.
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What if he's tried and found guilty? Doesn't really mean he's guilty does it now?
 
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usfdv said:
Victims of rape and domestic violence are accused of lots of things. I'm not perfect, I never said an acusation means someone is convicted. I don't convict anyone. I don't sit and say "so and So couldn't have, So and so looks so nice and Does good things so he couldn't have."
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1) You did in your 15th post. Period.
2) Few if anyone here has said what you just posted. Making that broad of a statement about the VN posters is ignorant (obviously stupid in your case), ill advised, wrong, and will/has earned you a reputation as an ill informed troll. Good job (insert CPF golf clap here).
 
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usfdv said:
Victims of rape and domestic violence are accused of lots of things. I'm not perfect, I never said an acusation means someone is convicted. I don't convict anyone. I don't sit and say "so and So couldn't have, So and so looks so nice and Does good things so he couldn't have."
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No, you say exactly the opposite. Accused=guilty of something.

Pray tell, what are these lessons that AJ should learn here that you speak of? I think he should/will take away that women are gold diggers and unless you really know one don't get within 100' of them without escort.
 
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usfdv said:
I pulled nothing of the top of my head, lol. But ok,having no idea what I do, how I know or the fact that I see such a thing from experience, accounts for nothing.

As for aj, I know nothing about him. Like many of you. I never denied such a thing. Based on what I know, from my world, on the subject of rape, I didn't come here stating anything about him. If he were charged and living in an area where I am, I could be used or called upon to give "facts" regarding rape, that's as far as my knowledge goes in this subject.

If you don't care about that, to be informed when it involves someone of meaning to you, whether you know them or not, then so be it. That only suggests to me, as I said, most people don't want to believe it when it involves someone they view in a favorable way. There's really no argument there. I've no opinion about aj, my opinion is about rape and societies response. It is offensive so I can sort of understand being offended at the thought of being clumped into that. Its not easy to look at ourselves.
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You really need to get over yourself! Like you and everybody else, I have the benefit of life experience as well. In fact, you would be surprised at the number of years I have dealt with sexual assault and rape!

You are just plain wrong on just about every point you make, period! Let me educate you a little bit, in a fairly large percentage of cases "victims" are untruthful for a number of reasons, sometimes real victims never report these types of cases, sometimes "victims" do not want to prosecute, sometimes innocent people are punished for a crime they did not do, and sometimes the guilty go free.

Each case is unique and it is the job of professionals to discover the TRUTH so proper justice can be obtained! You are obviously biased and display your bias with false facts probably spewed by some liberal organization. I would even venture to say your income depends upon some government program that spews this propaganda!

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GoVols15 said:
You really need to get over yourself! Like you and everybody else, I have the benefit of life experience as well. In fact, you would be surprised at the number of years I have dealt with sexual assault and rape!

You are just plain wrong on just about every point you make, period! Let me educate you a little bit, in a fairly large percentage of cases "victims" are untruthful for a number of reasons, sometimes real victims never report these types of cases, sometimes "victims" do not want to prosecute, sometimes innocent people are punished for a crime they did not do, and sometimes the guilty go free.

Each case is unique and it is the job of professionals to discover the TRUTH so proper justice can be obtained! You are obviously biased and display your bias with false facts probably spewed by some liberal organization. I would even venture to say you income depends upon some government program that spews this propaganda!

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Yes and no. Not really unique.you guys sure are protective over a football player you don't really even know. Its embarrassing. And you overstate every thing stated. Its boring,
 
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usfdv said:
Yes and no. Not really unique.you guys sure are protective over a football player you don't really even know. Its embarrassing. And you overstate every thing stated. Its boring,
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Your obvious bias is amazing! Did you even bother to read what I said above? You sound like a feminazi on a mission and could care less about things like justice and truth. Please go spew your propoganda on MSNBC because a lot of people have had just about enough political correctness! Again, I bet your income depends upon some lib government program, come on tell us the truth.
 
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Your obvious bias is amazing! Did you even bother to read what I said above? You sound like a feminazi on a mission and could care less about things like justice and truth. Please go spew your propoganda on MSNBC because a lot of people have had just about enough political correctness! Again, I bet your income depends upon some lib government program, come on tell us the truth.
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Yes, I read it and no, you're wrong. When I am on msnbc, I will give you a shout out.
 
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OrngeChkrboardVFL said:
Wow, good point. I've sat thru several military based trainings for this type of stuff and they always mention the reasons that people don't report sexual assaults. Afraid of criticism because of what they wear or people will say that they sleep around all the time anyway, etc. I've never thought about it from the falsely accused angle. Alot of posters have said that he put himself in that situation and that as an NFL bound athlete, he should have known better even if he didn't do the crime. I get that "no means no" but yes, also means yes!




usfdv, I think I have you figured out. This is all an assumption but I would venture to say that you have received training on this subject but not from a law school or college criminology classes. Probably a third party training such as what the military offers/requires or certain business organizations require. And you are not actually a criminal investigator or lawyer. I would also assume that you are a response victim advocate or some type of person that can take phone calls night or day and help talk to or guide victims claiming assault. How close am I?
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Those are literally the worst most PC bullsh$t training films you'll ever see.
 
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