AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

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GreyWolf1129 said:
And if he IS innocent, he has still paid...and will likely pay again down the road...a very high price for having simply been accused.

Where, then, if that be the case, would AJ find justice? Same place the Duke lacrosse players got it?

I have no opinion on his innocence or guilt. I'll wait to see how the investigation plays out. I wasn't there. You can have the moral high ground...for now.

Go Vols.
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I can, know facts regarding rape in General.

If he's innocent, yes, he's paid. This is life. For all of us in regard to many life circumstances. One certainty in life for all of us is, it isn't fair. If he's found innocent of the allegations and isnt charged, I assume this is what is meant by "innocent" , It doesn't mean he's innocent. That doesn't mean I'm saying he's guilty. It means I accept the flaws in our system and society. I would view him, and anyone in that situation, with skepticism. If an alleged child molester wasn't charged, would you put your child in their care? I imagine not. But you might still shop in a store they own. My thinking isn't "poor aj..." or anyone else accused of such a thing. It May be a hard lesson to learn if he is actually totally innocent but there is a lesson he is in need of. If there wasn't, this wouldn't be happening. People are standing up for his character while excusing it's flaws as "but most people....." at the same time. Makes no sense.
 
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usfdv said:
I can, know facts regarding rape in General.

If he's innocent, yes, he's paid. This is life. For all of us in regard to many life circumstances. One certainty in life for all of us is, it isn't fair. If he's found innocent of the allegations and isnt charged, I assume this is what is meant by "innocent" , It doesn't mean he's innocent. That doesn't mean I'm saying he's guilty. It means I accept the flaws in our system and society. I would view him, and anyone in that situation, with skepticism. If an alleged child molester wasn't charged, would you put your child in their care? I imagine not. But you might still shop in a store they own. My thinking isn't "poor aj..." or anyone else accused of such a thing. It May be a hard lesson to learn if he is actually totally innocent but there is a lesson he is in need of. If there wasn't, this wouldn't be happening. People are standing up for his character while excusing it's flaws as "but most people....." at the same time. Makes no sense.
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That statement right there tells me all I need to know.
 
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usfdv said:
I can, know facts regarding rape in General.

If he's innocent, yes, he's paid. This is life. For all of us in regard to many life circumstances. One certainty in life for all of us is, it isn't fair. If he's found innocent of the allegations and isnt charged, I assume this is what is meant by "innocent" , It doesn't mean he's innocent. That doesn't mean I'm saying he's guilty. It means I accept the flaws in our system and society. I would view him, and anyone in that situation, with skepticism. If an alleged child molester wasn't charged, would you put your child in their care? I imagine not. But you might still shop in a store they own. My thinking isn't "poor aj..." or anyone else accused of such a thing. It May be a hard lesson to learn if he is actually totally innocent but there is a lesson he is in need of. If there wasn't, this wouldn't be happening. People are standing up for his character while excusing it's flaws as "but most people....." at the same time. Makes no sense.
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This has been a dead topic around here for several weeks. Yet, you elected to stir the pot. Why? There is not much to add to it every bit of ground has been covered in your 9 posts. Again why stir it?

Fans will fall on both sides of this as to whether he is guilty or innocent. Rape is what it is, Rape. Victims and stats are what they are. I pray for all in this matter because nobody involved appears to be without some fault. So let's just leave it at that and let the jury convene, this board is filled with posters that seem to enjoy putting another fan into a catch 22 scenario.

Enjoy the board, there are better threads to sink your teeth into. LOL You seem overly focused on this one.
 
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This thread is full of precisely why only 3 percent of charged rape cases end in conviction. A huge part of the problem is societies ignorance on the subject. Who sits on a jury? We do. I would not want anyone here on my jury if I were a victim (except maybe you because you at least seem open to the idea that you are ignorant on the subject). I am not exactly advising that he did it based on statistics. I am advising that whatever volunteer work he has done, however he looks in the public eye, who his girlfriend is or isn't, how many girls would throw themselves at him, his fame, his charm, his talent,who knows him, etc....you cannot deem him innocent from this. I do not believe statistically the numbers would be different among high profile athletes. If anything, I think the numbers Would turn out to not be in the athletes favor if there was a difference. Why? The lifestyle....It is a breeding ground for such a mentality that is present amoung abusers. Just because high profile cases make the news and land themselves talked about by more, the ignorance and platform is the same. This is a fact. The justifications made so that people can feel comfortable with themselves for defending and liking someone who has done something such as this is the biggest problem. Just as much of a problem as the rape itself. My stance is not on the polar opposite of what I claim to be ignorance here. My stance is with an education regarding a subject and the social problems tangled up within it. I am all for speculation but that speculation would be more accurate and worthwhile among others educated on a subject than with those who are not.

Would speculation about something football related be meaningful at all, if the speculators had no knowledge about football other than know what it is on the most basic level ? Ie a game played during a season that involves a ball and men dressed on pads under their uniform? I doubt that would he a very informed or worthwhile thing to read to someone who knows a lot about football on many fronts now would it? Likewise, if in was one of the people who knew very little and wasn't willing to accept learning from someone who did, what would be the point of my even having a conversation? Wouldn't make much sense would it
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You write for Rolling Stone?
 
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usfdv said:
Actually, I spoke of rape IN GENERAL, as a subject. Step way back, out of the "aj circle" and see that. You guys want to assume I zoomed in on him specifucally. Places where I did, it was taking the subject in General as it relates to societies views and seeing it relate here. Unfolding no different. But people want to call it different. I've not convicted anyone. I do walk a line that is more
skeptical than the opinions found here. I do not think that because he is thought of in a warm regard that means much of anything pertaining to innocence or guilt. I would expect many rapists to be seen in a favorable way by those around him. I would expect more and more people to not be able to believe it as true. I think this is my point....this is found to be how people react in such a situation.
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You are one biased chick.
 
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usfdv said:
I can, know facts regarding rape in General.

If he's innocent, yes, he's paid. This is life. For all of us in regard to many life circumstances. One certainty in life for all of us is, it isn't fair. If he's found innocent of the allegations and isnt charged, I assume this is what is meant by "innocent" , It doesn't mean he's innocent. That doesn't mean I'm saying he's guilty. It means I accept the flaws in our system and society. I would view him, and anyone in that situation, with skepticism. If an alleged child molester wasn't charged, would you put your child in their care? I imagine not. But you might still shop in a store they own. My thinking isn't "poor aj..." or anyone else accused of such a thing. It May be a hard lesson to learn if he is actually totally innocent but there is a lesson he is in need of. If there wasn't, this wouldn't be happening. People are standing up for his character while excusing it's flaws as "but most people....." at the same time. Makes no sense.
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I have yet to see anyone come across as big a sanctimonious ******* as you have in 9 posts. Per your educated opinion once charged, guilty. You have stated or implied that there is no way he is innocent. What a feminazi.
 
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usfdv said:
This thread is full of precisely why only 3 percent of charged rape cases end in conviction. A huge part of the problem is societies ignorance on the subject. Who sits on a jury? We do. I would not want anyone here on my jury if I were a victim (except maybe you because you at least seem open to the idea that you are ignorant on the subject). I am not exactly advising that he did it based on statistics. I am advising that whatever volunteer work he has done, however he looks in the public eye, who his girlfriend is or isn't, how many girls would throw themselves at him, his fame, his charm, his talent,who knows him, etc....you cannot deem him innocent from this. I do not believe statistically the numbers would be different among high profile athletes. If anything, I think the numbers Would turn out to not be in the athletes favor if there was a difference. Why? The lifestyle....It is a breeding ground for such a mentality that is present amoung abusers. Just because high profile cases make the news and land themselves talked about by more, the ignorance and platform is the same. This is a fact. The justifications made so that people can feel comfortable with themselves for defending and liking someone who has done something such as this is the biggest problem. Just as much of a problem as the rape itself. My stance is not on the polar opposite of what I claim to be ignorance here. My stance is with an education regarding a subject and the social problems tangled up within it. I am all for speculation but that speculation would be more accurate and worthwhile among others educated on a subject than with those who are not.

Would speculation about something football related be meaningful at all, if the speculators had no knowledge about football other than know what it is on the most basic level ? Ie a game played during a season that involves a ball and men dressed on pads under their uniform? I doubt that would he a very informed or worthwhile thing to read to someone who knows a lot about football on many fronts now would it? Likewise, if in was one of the people who knew very little and wasn't willing to accept learning from someone who did, what would be the point of my even having a conversation? Wouldn't make much sense would it
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Your "facts" are not accurate! The number is somewhere between 18 to 38 percent depending upon year and study. No credible study I researched had it even close to 3 percent. While you make some good points please get your facts straight!
 
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GoVols15 said:
Your "facts" are not accurate! The number is somewhere between 18 to 38 percent depending upon year and study. No credible study I researched had it even close to 3 percent. While you make some good points please get your facts straight!
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My facts are very straight sweetie, thanks though ;)
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I have yet to see anyone come across as big a sanctimonious ******* as you have in 9 posts. Per your educated opinion once charged, guilty. You have stated or implied that there is no way he is innocent. What a feminazi.
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This is one of the dumbest things I've read here. Lots of you seem so smart. I guess there are some in every crowd. Sigh.
 
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usfdv said:
My facts are very straight sweetie, thanks though ;)
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Sorry honey pie do your research! Sounds like you have a very biased OPINION on the subject and try to interject your "facts" to support your opinion. Fact, AJ has not even been charged yet, let alone been convicted. The criminal justice system is INTENTIONALLY set up to make it difficult to get a criminal conviction.

If AJ is proven guilty and convicted beyond a reasonable doubt then he should be punished severely. On the other hand, if he is innocent then he has already been punished unjustly.

You are correct life is not fair but pulling "facts" off the top of your head and using them to support your opinions does nothing to make it better!
 
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GoVols15 said:
Sorry honey pie do your research! Sounds like you have a very biased OPINION on the subject and try to interject your "facts" to support your opinion. Fact, AJ has not even been charged yet, let alone been convicted. The criminal justice system is INTENTIONALLY set up to make it difficult to get a criminal conviction.

If AJ is proven guilty and convicted beyond a reasonable doubt then he should be punished severely. On the other hand, if he is innocent then he has already been punished unjustly.

You are correct life is not fair but pulling "facts" off the top of your head and using them to support your opinions does nothing to make it better!
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But per her educated opinion, he is guilty and cannot be proven innocent. Only found not guilty.
 
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GoVols15 said:
Sorry honey pie do your research! Sounds like you have a very biased OPINION on the subject and try to interject your "facts" to support your opinion. Fact, AJ has not even been charged yet, let alone been convicted. The criminal justice system is INTENTIONALLY set up to make it difficult to get a criminal conviction.

If AJ is proven guilty and convicted beyond a reasonable doubt then he should be punished severely. On the other hand, if he is innocent then he has already been punished unjustly.

You are correct life is not fair but pulling "facts" off the top of your head and using them to support your opinions does nothing to make it better!
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I pulled nothing of the top of my head, lol. But ok,having no idea what I do, how I know or the fact that I see such a thing from experience, accounts for nothing.

As for aj, I know nothing about him. Like many of you. I never denied such a thing. Based on what I know, from my world, on the subject of rape, I didn't come here stating anything about him. If he were charged and living in an area where I am, I could be used or called upon to give "facts" regarding rape, that's as far as my knowledge goes in this subject.

If you don't care about that, to be informed when it involves someone of meaning to you, whether you know them or not, then so be it. That only suggests to me, as I said, most people don't want to believe it when it involves someone they view in a favorable way. There's really no argument there. I've no opinion about aj, my opinion is about rape and societies response. It is offensive so I can sort of understand being offended at the thought of being clumped into that. Its not easy to look at ourselves.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
But per her educated opinion, he is guilty and cannot be proven innocent. Only found not guilty.
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Now didn't lots of you suggest, if he's found innocent or not charged, or even before knowing if he will be, that the victim in this case, it would mean she lied? Likewise then, how would she prove herself innocent of such a thing? The coin falls both ways. If he's not charged, I did say that doesn't mean he's innocent. It also doesn't mean he's guilty. Its a sad part in life isn't it? That People would from the alleged day forward, use better judgement around someone until they prove to them personally it was never true. Life works that way, whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I wouldn't trust an alleged drug addict around my things or an alleged alcoholic or so on. That's not biased on my side, people, once accused, have to regain trust. What's so sad about that just because he's a football player? This makes him extra special or above the way this works in the world? Well doesn't that mentality make for an awful lot of entitlement?
 
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usfdv said:
Now didn't lots of you suggest, if he's found innocent or not charged, or even before knowing if he will be, that the victim in this case, it would mean she lied? Likewise then, how would she prove herself innocent of such a thing? The coin falls both ways. If he's not charged, I did say that doesn't mean he's innocent. It also doesn't mean he's guilty. Its a sad part in life isn't it? That People would from the alleged day forward, use better judgement around someone until they prove to them personally it was never true. Life works that way, whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I wouldn't trust an alleged drug addict around my things or an alleged alcoholic or so on. That's not biased on my side, people, once accused, have to regain trust. What's so sad about that just because he's a football player? This makes him extra special or above the way this works in the world? Well doesn't that mentality make for an awful lot of entitlement?
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Share your thoughts on Bill Cosby's situation.
 
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usfdv said:
Now didn't lots of you suggest, if he's found innocent or not charged, or even before knowing if he will be, that the victim in this case, it would mean she lied? Likewise then, how would she prove herself innocent of such a thing? The coin falls both ways. If he's not charged, I did say that doesn't mean he's innocent. It also doesn't mean he's guilty. Its a sad part in life isn't it? That People would from the alleged day forward, use better judgement around someone until they prove to them personally it was never true. Life works that way, whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I wouldn't trust an alleged drug addict around my things or an alleged alcoholic or so on. That's not biased on my side, people, once accused, have to regain trust. What's so sad about that just because he's a football player? This makes him extra special or above the way this works in the world? Well doesn't that mentality make for an awful lot of entitlement?
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Be careful you are never accused of something...... I for one would never want you in a court room. The idea that you would convict on an accusation is scary.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Be careful you are never accused of something...... I for one would never want you in a court room. The idea that you would convict on an accusation is scary.
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Victims of rape and domestic violence are accused of lots of things. I'm not perfect, I never said an acusation means someone is convicted. I don't convict anyone. I don't sit and say "so and So couldn't have, So and so looks so nice and Does good things so he couldn't have."
 
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