AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

The gray area is when a woman and a man are spending time together in house or apartment: they are hanging out, maybe they've met in a bar or are on a first or early date. They want to get to know each other; maybe one is infatuated with the other, or both are infatuated; maybe they've been drinking--yep. The woman likes the guy, is happy to kiss, let's say--but she doesn't have sex on her mind. She doesn't want to foul up a potential relationship by appearing too prudish--she likes the guy, after all, but she wants to get to know him better before going too far. She's OK with fooling around a bit--but doesn't want sex. The guy interprets the woman being in his apartment, say, and kissing, say, fooling around, say, as wanting to go all the way--and it is easy to think that when you're a testosterone surging horn dog--and so he goes for all the way. The woman resists but the man "forces himself on her." That was an expression that was used frequently in the past--"he forced himself on me." That essentially meant, he raped me. That's a gray area. The fooling around is consensual; the sex isn't. In the past, people used to shrug it off--it's what happens if a woman gets drunk and starts fooling around with a man. Not anymore. Now, forcing yourself on somebody is felony rape--and yet inebriated young people have found themselves in variations of this situation since cavemen walked the earth (and you can bet that cavemen forced themselves on cavewoman!). Indeed, it is the classic young person's romantic cliff walk--who hasn't been in it a number of times. Of course a lot of young women are looking for sex, just like the guy--but some aren't. And then there is the question of, how much resistance was there? One little push and then happy capitulation--or real fear and fight and horror? Generally, if a woman goes to a hospital or goes to the police, you've obviously got a serious situation--as who does that if the sex was consensual?
 
Can we just burn this thread? Why the f*** is everyone arguing about what defines rape, citing past cases, and making judgement either way? You all make me sick. Look, life goes beyond football, and I think half of you *******s forget that. No one knows a thing about this incident, yet everyone seems to have some answer, source, or cited case. I would like to think that a ut player would do something so bad, but as a person beyond being a fan, I hope as much someone wouldnt lie about something so serious.

Most of us have never met the alleged, yet for some reason people are quick to the defense either way. Many of you might not agree with a large majority of my posts. However, to those who actually are arguing the logistics of rape, you truly make me sick, and I'm disgusted to call you fellow vol fans.
 
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Can we just burn this thread? Why the f*** is everyone arguing about what defines rape, citing past cases, and making judgement either way? You all make me sick. Look, life goes beyond football, and I think half of you *******s forget that. No one knows a thing about this incident, yet everyone seems to have some answer, source, or cited case. I would like to think that a ut player would do something so bad, but as a person beyond being a fan, I hope as much someone wouldnt lie about something so serious.

Most of us have never met the alleged, yet for some reason people are quick to the defense either way. Many of you might not agree with a large majority of my posts. However, to those who actually are arguing the logistics of rape, you truly make me sick, and I'm disgusted to call you fellow vol fans.

The greater part of the discussion in this thread (on a discussion board) isn't making any assumptions about the case involving AJ or the girl. I certainly haven't made any judgments in either direction and won't until all of the facts are made public.

But I'm not really sure what your post is trying to accomplish if you're pointing to those of us talking about what is a serious issue in our country and world. I may not agree with what some of the posters have said is or isn't rape, but communication is key. Communication would solve a lot of the grey area people are talking about.

Are you suggesting we stick our heads in the sand and ignore the issue until it goes away? If we're relying on Volnation to talk only about our football knowledge, there are quite a few posters who will run dry after two threads. (I'm not excluding myself by pretending to be smarter than anyone here when it comes to football). Just because it's a sore subject doesn't mean it's deserving of being ignored.
 
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Can we just burn this thread? Why the f*** is everyone arguing about what defines rape, citing past cases, and making judgement either way? You all make me sick. Look, life goes beyond football, and I think half of you *******s forget that. No one knows a thing about this incident, yet everyone seems to have some answer, source, or cited case. I would like to think that a ut player would do something so bad, but as a person beyond being a fan, I hope as much someone wouldnt lie about something so serious.

Most of us have never met the alleged, yet for some reason people are quick to the defense either way. Many of you might not agree with a large majority of my posts. However, to those who actually are arguing the logistics of rape, you truly make me sick, and I'm disgusted to call you fellow vol fans.

Why is it such a bad thing? We can't, as a society, just ignore everything around us an pretend it doesn't exist. There are real problems and issues that need to be discussed. I understand if you don't care about the society we live in, but some of us do.
 
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Personally, I don't attend college parties, I have in the past, but not anymore. I much prefer the casual drink at a bar, or at home with friends. College parties only lead to trouble and regrets. Nothing good ever comes out of them.

I think you call it growing up. :good!:
 
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Can we just burn this thread? Why the f*** is everyone arguing about what defines rape, citing past cases, and making judgement either way? You all make me sick. Look, life goes beyond football, and I think half of you *******s forget that. No one knows a thing about this incident, yet everyone seems to have some answer, source, or cited case. I would like to think that a ut player would do something so bad, but as a person beyond being a fan, I hope as much someone wouldnt lie about something so serious.

Most of us have never met the alleged, yet for some reason people are quick to the defense either way. Many of you might not agree with a large majority of my posts. However, to those who actually are arguing the logistics of rape, you truly make me sick, and I'm disgusted to call you fellow vol fans.

I agree with your general sentiment here - the thread has definitely derailed from an ethical standpoint more than a few times and it's a shame.

But I also think it's interesting and good to have conversations about this kind of stuff, especially when you have moderators keeping it somewhat under control.

This case has probably taught a lot of people that these situations can be complicated and damaging to all parties involved. It's a lose/lose situation to everyone.

Even though we don't know the people personally, it does hit home when it's someone you've admired for years.

Perhaps someone's rebuttal to an uninformed opinion can change someone's mind or invoke more thoughts on the subject.
 
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Why is it such a bad thing? We can't, as a society, just ignore everything around us an pretend it doesn't exist. There are real problems and issues that need to be discussed. I understand if you don't care about the society we live in, but some of us do.

Last time I checked this site was called volnation. Take your discussions to an appropriate board. If you are " just discussing a serious social issue" then why are you defending yourself? If you had sense you would realize my post is about those arguing the logistics of what exactly constitutes rape. There shouldn't be much of a discussion about that. Also, within the 25 pages of this thread there is in fact a lot of hearsay and degrading of all those involved. Shouldn't be offended unless you are defensive about something. Get over yourself this is a sports message boArd.
 
The greater part of the discussion in this thread (on a discussion board) isn't making any assumptions about the case involving AJ or the girl. I certainly haven't made any judgments in either direction and won't until all of the facts are made public.

But I'm not really sure what your post is trying to accomplish if you're pointing to those of us talking about what is a serious issue in our country and world. I may not agree with what some of the posters have said is or isn't rape, but communication is key. Communication would solve a lot of the grey area people are talking about.

Are you suggesting we stick our heads in the sand and ignore the issue until it goes away? If we're relying on Volnation to talk only about our football knowledge, there are quite a few posters who will run dry after two threads. (I'm not excluding myself by pretending to be smarter than anyone here when it comes to football). Just because it's a sore subject doesn't mean it's deserving of being ignored.

Did I say you should stick your head in the sand, no. Did I comment on logical conversation, no. Did I comment on those arguing what constitutes rape, yes. So you fLl into this category, I have no clue. This however is a football message board, and I think some people need to realize this. Maybe a good conversation would be, why do people admire athletes they have never met?
 
Last time I checked this site was called volnation. Take your discussions to an appropriate board. If you are " just discussing a serious social issue" then why are you defending yourself? If you had sense you would realize my post is about those arguing the logistics of what exactly constitutes rape. There shouldn't be much of a discussion about that. Also, within the 25 pages of this thread there is in fact a lot of hearsay and degrading of all those involved. Shouldn't be offended unless you are defensive about something. Get over yourself this is a sports message boArd.

I'm not here to argue. I do agree that there have been posts that probably should not have been posted. However, I'm sorry that you are so close-minded, and I will leave it at that.
 
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The greater part of the discussion in this thread (on a discussion board) isn't making any assumptions about the case involving AJ or the girl. I certainly haven't made any judgments in either direction and won't until all of the facts are made public.

But I'm not really sure what your post is trying to accomplish if you're pointing to those of us talking about what is a serious issue in our country and world. I may not agree with what some of the posters have said is or isn't rape, but communication is key. Communication would solve a lot of the grey area people are talking about.

Are you suggesting we stick our heads in the sand and ignore the issue until it goes away? If we're relying on Volnation to talk only about our football knowledge, there are quite a few posters who will run dry after two threads. (I'm not excluding myself by pretending to be smarter than anyone here when it comes to football). Just because it's a sore subject doesn't mean it's deserving of being ignored.

Now that was a surprisingly good post.:good!: I still say you are a argumentative jacka$$ though. :)
 
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I'm not here to argue. I do agree that there have been posts that probably should not have been posted. However, I'm sorry that you are so close-minded, and I will leave it at that.

If close minded means I don't like reading people degrading a woman for saying she was raped, simply because the alleged plays a game on Saturdays then I'll happily be closed minded. If pointing out that this thread shows the worst of so called fans, then I'm closed minded. I'd rather be closed minded than an ignorant morales jackass that argues about what constitutes rape to other men on a message board. Thank you for the compliment!
 
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If close minded means I don't like reading people degrading a woman for saying she was raped, simply because the alleged plays a game on Saturdays then I'll happily be closed minded. If pointing out that this thread shows the worst of so called fans, then I'm closed minded. I'd rather be closed minded than an ignorant morales jackass that argues about what constitutes rape to other men on a message board. Thank you for the compliment!

I haven't seen anyone degrading her for that reason. Most of the discussion has been arbitrary. But then again, I joined the discussion about 70 pages in. Also, just because there are a few posters on here who have no interest in discussing, but rather ignorantly making statements, whether it be about the case or other things, doesn't mean the whole thread is bad.
 
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I was thinking the same.

You are not kidding! I have been checking WATE, WBIR, Bleacher Report, 24/7 and Vol Nation like crazy this week to make sure I don't miss anything. May if I quit jumping on the internet every 30 minutes or so, KPD or DA will announce something??? I swear I still worked this week though!!

My hubby has been laughing at me for being all over this. But it's AJ!!! I was looking forward to the Vol Walk this week and seeing him and the other seniors. I AM SO BUMMED OUT!!! Just not going to be the same this week.:thud:
 
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I agree with your general sentiment here - the thread has definitely derailed from an ethical standpoint more than a few times and it's a shame.

But I also think it's interesting and good to have conversations about this kind of stuff, especially when you have moderators keeping it somewhat under control.

This case has probably taught a lot of people that these situations can be complicated and damaging to all parties involved. It's a lose/lose situation to everyone.

Even though we don't know the people personally, it does hit home when it's someone you've admired for years.

Perhaps someone's rebuttal to an uninformed opinion can change someone's mind or invoke more thoughts on the subject.
Sports figures really have no business on pedestals. Save that for people like Jonas Salk.
 
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