AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

The argument is that some victims are too scared to say no, therefore we should take the absence of yes as a no. Otherwise we as a society would be condoning rape every time a person jumps out of an ally and rapes a stranger walking by, right?

If something like that occurred, it would be very easy to prove rape. Remember, refusal to consent can be implied as well. It doesn't have to be a verbal statement. Physical wounds are the biggest evidence. Which is why rape tests are administered by hostpitals in these situations.
 
Some examples of rape that have no gray area...woman is walking her dog, gets jumped, dragged away and violently forced...Woman is at home watching tv, minding her own business, when a intruder gets in and violently forces her....Woman is walking to her car at night, in a mall parking lot, man grabs her, puts a knife to her throat, then takes her somewhere and violently forces her,,,,all these examples usually end up with a missing persons report and a grieving family. The world is not so simple though.
 
You raise a lot of interesting points and i definitely agree that it is not positive to view rape as a man against women crime.

Interesting that a jury probably would have to have a higher standard of proof for a conviction if it were woman against man though. Can you ever imagine a guy getting a conviction against a woman for her having sex with him and him being too drunk to consent? We're a society of double standards.
 
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If something like that occurred, it would be very easy to prove rape. Remember, refusal to consent can be implied as well. It doesn't have to be a verbal statement. Physical wounds are the biggest evidence. Which is why rape tests are administered by hostpitals in these situations.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I am just positing the opposite argument.
 
Interesting that a jury probably would have to have a higher standard of proof for a conviction if it were woman against man though. Can you ever imagine a guy getting a conviction against a woman for her having sex with him and him being too drunk to consent? We're a society of double standards.

I was reading some studies recently that suggested when controlling for sex and comparing like crimes, women will on average get roughly 25% of the sentence of a man.
 
Interesting that a jury probably would have to have a higher standard of proof for a conviction if it were woman against man though. Can you ever imagine a guy getting a conviction against a woman for her having sex with him and him being too drunk to consent? We're a society of double standards.

I'm honestly fine with this double standard, so long as women don't take advantage of it. Which unfortunately does happen.
 
I think everything really comes down to one point. If alcohol wasn't such a huge part of the youth/young adult culture, we wouldn't be here talking.
 
Some examples of rape that have no gray area...woman is walking her dog, gets jumped, dragged away and violently forced...Woman is at home watching tv, minding her own business, when a intruder gets in and violently forces her....Woman is walking to her car at night, in a mall parking lot, man grabs her, puts a knife to her throat, then takes her somewhere and violently forces her,,,,all these examples usually end up with a missing persons report and a grieving family. The world is not so simple though.

Absolutely true. I wish I could remember the numbers, but the larger number of rape cases are the ones that live in that grey area, be it date rape, or other situations where the victim and the defendant had a prior relationship of some sort.
 
Absolutely true. I wish I could remember the numbers, but the larger number of rape cases are the ones that live in that grey area, be it date rape, or other situations where the victim and the defendant had a prior relationship of some sort.

Which has to raise some questions. Why has this only become a controversial subject recently? Have 1 in 4 women just been getting raped for centuries, and no one was aware? I think the the main thing that changed was our definition of rape. Whether or not this change was taken too far, or is skewed too much in one party's favor, I can't say for certain.
 
Which has to raise some questions. Why has this only become a controversial subject recently? Have 1 in 4 women just been getting raped for centuries, and no one was aware? I think the the main thing that changed was our definition of rape. Whether or not this change was taken too far, or is skewed too much in one party's favor, I can't say for certain.

As with most crimes, it's become a lot more visible. Much like people believe that violent crime is the worst it's been--the opposite is true-- because it's always in the news.

That doesn't make it a less serious issue, but there are a lot more venues for things like this to get air-time or attention from the media and people online.
 
As with most crimes, it's become a lot more visible. Much like people believe that violent crime is the worst it's been--the opposite is true-- because it's always in the news.

That doesn't make it a less serious issue, but there are a lot more venues for things like this to get air-time or attention from the media and people online.

I honestly don't think that is the case in this situation. I could do some research, but I'd be willing to bet that 100 years ago, there were far less of these "gray area" rape cases. Young girls were most definitely having sex at parties, but how many of them claimed to have been raped.
 
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I honestly don't think that is the case in this situation. I could do some research, but I'd be willing to bet that 100 years ago, there were far less of these "gray area" rape cases.

Gray-area rape cases do seem more prominent. Day-after-regret rapes get on my nerves and THOSE are certainly more prevalent these days.

But just flat cut-and-dry rapes are* what I was speaking to in my last post.
 
Gray-area rape cases do seem more prominent. Day-after-regret rapes get on my nerves and THOSE are certainly more prevalent these days.

Which is exactly what I'm referring to. If you take away these cases, the percentage of woman that have been raped is reduced significantly. People are using these cases as part of their research to say that rape is becoming more prominent and a common problem. In turn, it becomes a huge controversial subject and women start taking advantage of this grey area.
 
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I'm willing to bet employee production has dropped off this week due to people constantly checking VN for updates on AJ. This investigation needs to wrap up so we all can get back to work.
 
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Which has to raise some questions. Why has this only become a controversial subject recently? Have 1 in 4 women just been getting raped for centuries, and no one was aware? I think the the main thing that changed was our definition of rape. Whether or not this change was taken too far, or is skewed too much in one party's favor, I can't say for certain.

All good points.

I won't post them or argue them here, but there are some interesting statistical rebuttals to the studies that have claimed that 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 women are raped in college.

It's like with anything. If you do a study doing everything you can to prove a point, you will. That can be said of both sides of this argument.
 
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All good points.

I won't post them or argue them here, but there are some interesting statistical rebuttals to the studies that have claimed the 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 women are raped in college.

Most of those studies are based on surveys administered to large samples of college students. This essentially means that 1 in 4 women believed they were raped based on their own definitions. Some may claim that they were raped, just to internalize regret for actions they may have taken. This leads to a real problem, in my opinion. Its falsely inflating the presence of a crime.
 
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I raised my daughters to be aware that certains situations pose more danger, and to be thoughtful. And that they had the right to not be sexually attacked, but that this right wouldn't stop some people.

That out of the way, a question for all the guys (many seeming of college age) harrumphing that young women shouldn't be out at parties at 3 a.m. if they want to avoid dangerous situations: if they suddenly took your advice, wouldn't parties get pretty boring? Maybe you guys will need to stay home and watch TV too.

Some things never change, I guess.
 
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Looks like this girl has gotten exposed and members of vol nation have harassed. Maybe she gets scared away? I don't see this one ending anytime soon though.
 
I raised my daughters to be aware that certains situations pose more danger, and to be thoughtful. And that they had the right to not be sexually attacked, but that this right wouldn't stop some people.

That out of the way, a question for all the guys (many seeming of college age) harrumphing that young women shouldn't be out at parties at 3 a.m. if they want to avoid dangerous situations: if they suddenly took your advice, wouldn't parties get pretty boring? Maybe you guys will need to stay home and watch TV too.

Some things never change, I guess.

Personally, I don't attend college parties, I have in the past, but not anymore. I much prefer the casual drink at a bar, or at home with friends. College parties only lead to trouble and regrets. Nothing good ever comes out of them.
 
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Most of those studies are based on surveys administered to large samples of college students. This essentially means that 1 in 4 women believed they were raped based on their own definitions. Some may claim that they were raped, just to internalize regret for actions they may have taken. This leads to a real problem, in my opinion. Its falsely inflating the presence of a crime.

While I don't completely discount this, it's a bit less common to lie on an anonymous survey because they are "internalizing regret," by which I assume that you mean they're ashamed and dodging it. Could be, of course.

All of my kids have known someone who was forced into sex against their will in a date rape situation. That does count as rape. The humiliation and rage is just as real, often even more so when you have to see the person who did this around campus, going on with life unchanged.
 

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