AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

[advancedrescue27]

Female mantra of the day: Today, don't get raped.

The way a woman is dressed has zero to do with anything.
The time of night has zero to do with anything.
A woman being drunk doesn't give a guy a free pass.


None of that means 'okay guys, fair game'. They should have the ability and full expectation of going to a party and having fun and not waking up in a guy's bed if they didn't want to be there. (Not talking about the AJ situation)

I actually have a question, if you had a daughter(don't know if you do), and this was her in this case. Even tho I agree rape was never ok in anyway, would you have been happy with your daughters choices to underage drink, then go to a males appartment at 3am?

I know many underage drink, but alittle different when thinking of your own kid. Also in this example im not even including any rumors about how she went there to hook up vie text ext ext ext to make it worse.

 

[Orangeslice13]

But, God forbid, she was ever in the situation this girl got herself in (alledgedly) would you share the responsibility of her being raped on her shoulders?

Probably would be too busy preparing my defense at my murder trial to think about that.

 

[sjt18]

I still don't know why that makes me a weenie or how I provoked you, which is the 4th or 5th time you have interjected to call me that. I don't mind being picked on, but it just seems like you are looking for excuses to do it. I just think it is weird is all.

Just having fun with you as you seem to take yourself a bit too serious in this thread. Don't worry about it. There will come a day when we're on the same side of something and you will appreciate some of the barbs I shoot.

I have probably conflated your posts with those of others who argue against the woman bearing any responsibility for the events leading up to the incident.

 

[daj2576]

Could you explain what you mean by "being as responsible as men are" if you don't mind?

I hate to speak for anyone, but I believe I understand that position and similar ones (not saying I endorse or agree with it, but I think I understand it). Basically this boils down to an IF/THEN scenario.

Basically they are saying that IF men are supposed to be totally responsible, that is, a man is supposed to ignore all action and innuendo that exists before the moment of sexual contact and rely only on an overt statement of agreement before that contact goes further. THEN, if that is the case, perhaps it is fair to at least attach some of the responsibility before that moment on the woman.

Again, I am not saying that I agree with that position in sum, but I think I understand why it is being made.

First, I hate that we continually attach the roles of victim to women and aggressor as men. That is unfair and undervalues the actual realities of rape, that is that both sexes are raped by members of the same sex and members of the opposite sex. Rape is a terribly violent crime and shouldn't be politicized as a male/female issue any more than murder should be made a black/white issue.

Second, I think that there might be some merit to understanding Newton's Third Law as it could possibly be applied to social relationships. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, not every action has equal risks. You wouldn't advise your child to play Russian Roulette as there is only a 1 in 6 chance that they blow their brains out, you probably don't advise your child that smoking is a healthy alternative to chewing gum, you probably wouldn't advise anyone to walk through the streets of Compton wearing a "I hate poor black people" shirt. Those are ridiculous hypotheticals, and no one would suggest any of those actions because increasing the risk to life and health is largely avoidable.

In this case, as the studies have shown, sex and alcohol on college campuses is a high risk behavior. There is some concern that disallowing responsibility on one whole class of people because of the high ideology that anyone should be allowed to do anything they want whenever they want, doesn't mix with the reality that there is an increased risk of danger in certain situations, regardless of if one wants to argue if there should be risk in those situations.

The conversation ultimately boils down to the one thing that has plagued humans since the beginning: Communication. We aren't very good at communicating. Much of what is considered normal communication is non-verbal based on body language, and other clues. It is difficult in the most benign situations to be sure two people are saying and doing things that are consistent with what they are communicating to the other, and that line gets blurred, if not erased, by alcohol, flirtation (by both sexes), and raging hormones.

This is certainly a healthy debate to be had. I just don't think that either side is as right as they believe they are.

 

[shadow21]

So, you think that my opinion has no merit because I don't automatically support an accused rapist because he plays a game for my alma mater? I have said that I don't know what happened, nor does anyone else on here. He may or may not be guilty, but I don't know him, therefore will lose no sleep over it.

I feel the same as I would if I read that 2 guys in Lonsdale were accused of raping a girl from Vonore. I know no one involved.

I think his point was that you obviously don't have too much interest in this case, so why are you posting in a thread dedicated to it.

 

[emzeeee]

I actually have a question, if you had a daughter(don't know if you do), and this was her in this case. Even tho I agree rape was never ok in anyway, would you have been happy with your daughters choices to underage drink, then go to a males appartment at 3am?

I know many underage drink, but alittle different when thinking of your own kid. Also in this example im not even including any rumors about how she went there to hook up vie text ext ext ext to make it worse.

No. And I think--I can't remember--that I responded to the guy who posted his advice to his daughter about keeping herself out of dangerous situations. I agree with all of that advice and think that women should do all that they can to keep themselves out of dangerous situations, just as men should. However, should ALL of that fail, for whatever reason, it is still incumbent on the hypothetical rapist to not actually rape someone... or better wording, to not take advantage of a situation.

 

[Joefoxx]

Is it a proven fact that this young lady or AJ Johnson were drunk or is this just message board speculation?

 

[omghulkhands]

I'm loving that many of these social justice warriors are already concluding that the accuser is correct and are calling it an outright rape.

As of right now, she's the accuser and nothing more.

Perhaps they should council the DA since some of these folks clearly know whats what.

I agree.

One thing though that people seem to be doing is making false assumption about other posters.

Like, a poster will say he doesnt think most women lie about being raped, and people will lambast him saying that he thinks AJ guilty, which isn't necessarily true at all.

Or someone will say they think most women lie about it, but that doesn't mean this poster thinks this girl is lying (unless they stated otherwise)

Those are pretty bad analogies, but do you get what I'm saying? A bunch of people seem to jump to what i would consider false conclusions (premature conclusions is probably a better word) about another poster based on their social views.

 

[agent|orange]

I agree.

One thing though that people seem to be doing is making false assumption about other posters.

Like, a poster will say he doesnt think most women lie about being raped, and people will lambast him saying that he thinks AJ guilty, which isn't necessarily true at all.

Or someone will say they think most women lie about it, but that doesn't mean this poster thinks this girl is lying (unless they stated otherwise)

Those are pretty bad analogies, but do you get what I'm saying? A bunch of people seem to jump to what i would consider false conclusions about another poster based on their social views.

You're spot on.

There have been a lot of strawmen and ad hominems in this.

Don't want to have AJ's name released until charges are filed? "Stop victim-blaming".

It's a very slippery slope and there is a lot of misinformation and some very clear agendas being driven in this discussion on a Tennessee football forum.

 

[IBleedOrange]

So, you think that my opinion has no merit because I don't automatically support an accused rapist because he plays a game for my alma mater? I have said that I don't know what happened, nor does anyone else on here. He may or may not be guilty, but I don't know him, therefore will lose no sleep over it.

I feel the same as I would if I read that 2 guys in Lonsdale were accused of raping a girl from Vonore. I know no one involved.

Well obviously you're on a message board full of people that care at least a little bit about it so don't get frustrated at people for discussing it. However, I have a hard time believing you don't care about the situation when you're in this thread reading about it.

 

[shadow21]

I hate to speak for anyone, but I believe I understand that position and similar ones (not saying I endorse or agree with it, but I think I understand it). Basically this boils down to an IF/THEN scenario.

Basically they are saying that IF men are supposed to be totally responsible, that is, a man is supposed to ignore all action and innuendo that exists before the moment of sexual contact and rely only on an overt statement of agreement before that contact goes further. THEN, if that is the case, perhaps it is fair to at least attach some of the responsibility before that moment on the woman.

Again, I am not saying that I agree with that position in sum, but I think I understand why it is being made.

First, I hate that we continually attach the roles of victim to women and aggressor as men. That is unfair and undervalues the actual realities of rape, that is that both sexes are raped by members of the same sex and members of the opposite sex. Rape is a terribly violent crime and shouldn't be politicized as a male/female issue any more than murder should be made a black/white issue.

Second, I think that there might be some merit to understanding Newton's Third Law as it could possibly be applied to social relationships. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, not every action has equal risks. You wouldn't advise your child to play Russian Roulette as there is only a 1 in 6 chance that they blow their brains out, you probably don't advise your child that smoking is a healthy alternative to chewing gum, you probably wouldn't advise anyone to walk through the streets of Compton wearing a "I hate poor black people" shirt. Those are ridiculous hypotheticals, and no one would suggest any of those actions because increasing the risk to life and health is largely avoidable.

In this case, as the studies have shown, sex and alcohol on college campuses is a high risk behavior. There is some concern that disallowing responsibility on one whole class of people because of the high ideology that anyone should be allowed to do anything they want whenever they want, doesn't mix with the reality that there is an increased risk of danger in certain situations, regardless of if one wants to argue if there should be risk in those situations.

The conversation ultimately boils down to the one thing that has plagued humans since the beginning: Communication. We aren't very good at communicating. Much of what is considered normal communication is non-verbal based on body language, and other clues. It is difficult in the most benign situations to be sure two people are saying and doing things that are consistent with what they are communicating to the other, and that line gets blurred by alcohol, flirtation (by both sexes), and raging hormones.

This is certainly a healthy debate to be had. I just don't think that either side is as right as they believe they are.

This pretty much sums up the fact that, the risk factors associated with alcohol and college parties will never change. It goes all the way back to human nature and our innate psychological behaviors. Therefore, the only way to prevent such situations, is to not be part of them entirely.

 

[IBleedOrange]

I think his point was that you obviously don't have too much interest in this case, so why are you posting in a thread dedicated to it.

Exactly the point I was trying to make

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I'm loving that many of these social justice warriors are already concluding that the accuser is correct and are calling it an outright rape.

As of right now, she's the accuser and nothing more.

Perhaps they should council the DA since some of these folks clearly know whats what.

I really question their agenda, no one knows for sure any of the facts surrounding the case. All we know are the claims which may indeed be true, but we have some on here already wanting to convict without any evidence other than their own opinion. So I have to ask would your opinion be different if it were Justin Worley in this situation? You are no more than assuming he did it, so I ask why would you believe her over him? Because you dont know anything other than rumors.

 

[shadow21]

Has this been posted in this thread?

AJ -"Have slept multiple times with the Girl (Accuser).
We went upstairs and hooked up.
Williams was hooking up with her friend from Florida (she's hot), in a seperate room.
My girl considered us girlfriend/boyfriend,
I don't. Never did, just hooking up.
After we all finished, my girl said she was going back downstairs.
I started hooking up with the other girl (Florida)
My accuser then walked in on us in the act and flipped out
Both of them left"

I don't remember where I saw it and was just curious if it was made up, or an actual conversation that someone had with AJ.

 

[perico]

His first question should've been why are you texting AJ! Not much of a gf to be sleeping with team mates. Maybe she was the girl that got passed around to some of the team and DB caught feelings.

Considering AJ was in a commited relationship. It goes both ways. AJ's girlfriend I'm sure blames it all on the evil temptress (not really). If this is how it went, then nobody comes out of this looking good (and that's not even bringing the charges into it).

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Ha, but there are people out there that make the message 'don't get raped' instead of the correct 'don't rape people'.

You are a seriously argumentative jacka$$....You are also a great example of why common sense is not that common....:hi:

 

[emzeeee]

You are a seriously argumentative jacka$$....You are also a great example of why common sense is not that common....:hi:

Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[omghulkhands]

I hate to speak for anyone, but I believe I understand that position and similar ones (not saying I endorse or agree with it, but I think I understand it). Basically this boils down to an IF/THEN scenario.

Basically they are saying that IF men are supposed to be totally responsible, that is, a man is supposed to ignore all action and innuendo that exists before the moment of sexual contact and rely only on an overt statement of agreement before that contact goes further. THEN, if that is the case, perhaps it is fair to at least attach some of the responsibility before that moment on the woman.

Again, I am not saying that I agree with that position in sum, but I think I understand why it is being made.

First, I hate that we continually attach the roles of victim to women and aggressor as men. That is unfair and undervalues the actual realities of rape, that is that both sexes are raped by members of the same sex and members of the opposite sex. Rape is a terribly violent crime and shouldn't be politicized as a male/female issue any more than murder should be made a black/white issue.

Second, I think that there might be some merit to understanding Newton's Third Law as it could possibly be applied to social relationships. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, not every action has equal risks. You wouldn't advise your child to play Russian Roulette as there is only a 1 in 6 chance that they blow their brains out, you probably don't advise your child that smoking is a healthy alternative to chewing gum, you probably wouldn't advise anyone to walk through the streets of Compton wearing a "I hate poor black people" shirt. Those are ridiculous hypotheticals, and no one would suggest any of those actions because increasing the risk to life and health is largely avoidable.

In this case, as the studies have shown, sex and alcohol on college campuses is a high risk behavior. There is some concern that disallowing responsibility on one whole class of people because of the high ideology that anyone should be allowed to do anything they want whenever they want, doesn't mix with the reality that there is an increased risk of danger in certain situations, regardless of if one wants to argue if there should be risk in those situations.

The conversation ultimately boils down to the one thing that has plagued humans since the beginning: Communication. We aren't very good at communicating. Much of what is considered normal communication is non-verbal based on body language, and other clues. It is difficult in the most benign situations to be sure two people are saying and doing things that are consistent with what they are communicating to the other, and that line gets blurred, if not erased, by alcohol, flirtation (by both sexes), and raging hormones.

This is certainly a healthy debate to be had. I just don't think that either side is as right as they believe they are.

You raise a lot of interesting points and i definitely agree that it is not positive to view rape as a man against women crime.

 

[jkleno]

If the school is paying for their room and board, move them back on campus (like old days- Gibbs). UT may have made a mistake tearing down Gibbs and having all these players live off campus, especially underclassmen. I do understand things can happen on campus as well, but I think there are less incidents on campus. Can we start a bring back Gibbs petition?

 

[perico]

women need to stop getting themselves in situations that could have bad outcomes. they don't need to hang out 3 or 4 in the morning, drunk and dressed scantily. why put yourself in that position.

if we are follow the feminist teaching and propaganda, then women need to start being more responsible and being as responsible as men are. they need to be held at the standard.

Wow...

 

[shadow21]

If the school is paying for their room and board, move them back on campus (like old days- Gibbs). UT may have made a mistake tearing down Gibbs and having all these players live off campus, especially underclassmen. I do understand things can happen on campus as well, but I think there are less incidents on campus. Can we start a bring back Gibbs petition?

This won't change anything. You can just as easily leave campus and go to an apartment.

 

[emzeeee]

If the school is paying for their room and board, move them back on campus (like old days- Gibbs). UT may have mad a mistake tearing down Gibbs and having all these players live off campus, especially underclassmen. I do understand things can happen on campus as well, but I think there are less incidents on campus. Can we start a bring back Gibbs petition?

Demolition of Stokely and Gibbs Underway | Tennessee Today

They're going to be finishing the replacement hall in 2016.

 

[1972 Grad]

I think his point was that you obviously don't have too much interest in this case, so why are you posting in a thread dedicated to it.

Because I can, and because I think that many think that because he plays football for U.T., he can do no wrong.

If he wore a Florida uniform, those same people would say that he is guilty. I don't have a clue, and neither do you.

I do agree that legally he is innocent until proven guilty in our justice system. Another point is that I have an interest in this forum, and am allowed to post whatever I want about the case. You are correct that I have little interest in the outcome, but I am giving my perspective on overzealous fans. Skip my posts if you like.

 

[Swan Ronson]

women need to stop getting themselves in situations that could have bad outcomes. they don't need to hang out 3 or 4 in the morning, drunk and dressed scantily. why put yourself in that position.

if we are follow the feminist teaching and propaganda, then women need to start being more responsible and being as responsible as men are. they need to be held at the standard.

I hate the unprovoked personal attacks on VN as much as the next guy, but there is absolutely no reason for you to be this stupid.

 

[emzeeee]

I hate the unprovoked personal attacks on VN as much as the next guy, but there is absolutely no reason for you to be this stupid.

Ha you posted this word for word 40 pages ago. Still true.