AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

[RiseToTheTop]

:yes:

Okay, female perspective here....I had a friend that was attacked by a guy in the bathroom while we were on our high school senior beach trip. She was recouping from a serious hangover and was not over it by any means...dude followed her into the bathroom while she was in the shower and locked the door. I beat that friggin' door down until I got in! If these girls are friends (assumption) and the one from FL wanted nothing to do with Williams which is when he got involved in the other, why the heck didn't the other girl call 911 or get some help? I know she can't take down two football players but hello??? No one is assaulting my friends, I don't care if she was drunk off her butt or not! And if there were a lot of folks at this party (rumor) then surely someone would have helped them. Why wait for Drae to pick you up and then yell
Rape? Just me thinking out loud.....

Yeh. It doesn't add up.

 

[TCbodybuilder]

DB will not have any legal repercussions, so long as there is no evidence that he was intentionally trying to hurt AJ/MW by getting her to call rape.

Possible scenario: More than likely something went down, after the fact, that made her angry at AJ.
She went crying to someone she knew would listen to her. DB asks why shes upset, she says its because of AJ. He asks what she was doing at his house. She says she was just there for the party, but they ended up having sex even though she didn't want it. All in an attempt to get DB to sympathize with her. DB gets angry, says that's rape, convinces her to call cops.

The team beat the hell out of Bowles.

 

[shadow21]

(Abbey, 1995)

This is not earth shattering news. Not sure why they needed to fund a study for this. All one has to do is observe the animal kingdom (which we are a part of) as a whole to see evidence of this.

Note: I'm not picking on you, just amused that someone felt they needed to spend money (probably tax dollars) studying this..

That wasn't the main focus of the study. They also studied the hypothesis that "men who strongly endorse traditional rape myths are expected to rate the female target as being more sexual than low rape myth acceptance men and high or low rape myth acceptance women." Here is the excerpt explaining what they mean by "rape myth".

Burt (1980) found that more than 50% of the random sample of adults she surveyed endorsed rape supportive attitudes such as "In the majority of rapes, the victim was promiscuous or had a bad reputation." Burt argued that these beliefs serve to justify rape and focus blame on the victim rather than the perpetrator. Rape supportive beliefs have been linked to men's self-reported perpetration of sexual assault, hypothetical willingness to commit rape if not caught, and laboratory aggression against a female confederate (Malamuth, 1981; 1983; Malamuth, Sockloskie, Koss, & Tanaka, 1991).

Rape supportive beliefs may also be related to misperceptions of sexual intent. Items such as "A woman who goes to the home or apartment of a man on their first date implies that she is willing to have sex" or "When women go around braless or wearing short skirts they are just asking for trouble" (Burt, 1980) suggest that individuals high in rape myth acceptance are likely to interpret ambiguous cues as signs of sexual availability.

(Abbey, 1995)

 

[TNDeb3]

Okay, female perspective here....I had a friend that was attacked by a guy in the bathroom while we were on our high school senior beach trip. She was recouping from a serious hangover and was not over it by any means...dude followed her into the bathroom while she was in the shower and locked the door. I beat that friggin' door down until I got in! If these girls are friends (assumption) and the one from FL wanted nothing to do with Williams which is when he got involved in the other, why the heck didn't the other girl call 911 or get some help? I know she can't take down two football players but hello??? No one is assaulting my friends, I don't care if she was drunk off her butt or not! And if there were a lot of folks at this party (rumor) then surely someone would have helped them. Why wait for Drae to pick you up and then yell Rape? Just me thinking out loud.....

I'm right there with ya on all accounts!!!! :good!:

A bit of advice...have your body armour on if you're gonna speak from a female perspective around here.

 

[FlVol71]

I think you took my comments out of context. You may need to read the other post leading up to this one.

I have to agree with Goldie. BigOrangeD, maybe you need to sit in the corner and cool off with me.

 

[shadow21]

Okay, female perspective here....I had a friend that was attacked by a guy in the bathroom while we were on our high school senior beach trip. She was recouping from a serious hangover and was not over it by any means...dude followed her into the bathroom while she was in the shower and locked the door. I beat that friggin' door down until I got in! If these girls are friends (assumption) and the one from FL wanted nothing to do with Williams which is when he got involved in the other, why the heck didn't the other girl call 911 or get some help? I know she can't take down two football players but hello??? No one is assaulting my friends, I don't care if she was drunk off her butt or not! And if there were a lot of folks at this party (rumor) then surely someone would have helped them. Why wait for Drae to pick you up and then yell Rape? Just me thinking out loud.....

Exactly. Which is why it makes more sense that the events between the alleged victim and AJ/MW were separate events.

 

[daj2576]

She put herself in a very bad situation. So yes I would say she has some responsibility. That is in no way saying she deserved it, or asked for it. And I know it isn't politically correct, but it's actually empowering... The laws will not stop criminals.. Neither will the police.... Police are there to investigate crimes after they happen. It's your responsibility as an individual to look out for your own personal Safety.

You make some good points, although I think any blanket rule for either side (all victims share some responsibility, or all victims share no responsibility) is just too broad and simplistic to be reality.

Example:

Ask people who disagree with you if they own a gun for self defense. If they say yes, ask them why they need a gun if they believe they have no responsibility for their safety.

Ask people who agree with you if they, or anyone they know, has ever been involved in a wreck with a drunk driver. One can be the safest driver on the planet, and a drunk fool can ruin your day or your life.

Either extreme breaks down. There are always exceptions.

There is a difference between ideology (we should all be allowed to behave in almost any way we wish without fearing for our safety) and reality (sometimes we can put ourselves in really bad situations that are totally avoidable).

Balancing those two ideas seems to give us all fits.

 

[crazychuckie]

Okay, female perspective here....I had a friend that was attacked by a guy in the bathroom while we were on our high school senior beach trip. She was recouping from a serious hangover and was not over it by any means...dude followed her into the bathroom while she was in the shower and locked the door. I beat that friggin' door down until I got in! If these girls are friends (assumption) and the one from FL wanted nothing to do with Williams which is when he got involved in the other, why the heck didn't the other girl call 911 or get some help? I know she can't take down two football players but hello??? No one is assaulting my friends, I don't care if she was drunk off her butt or not! And if there were a lot of folks at this party (rumor) then surely someone would have helped them. Why wait for Drae to pick you up and then yell Rape? Just me thinking out loud.....

Agreed, should be marks on them or her from her putting up a fight. Whether it be claw marks or bruises on her from him getting furious for getting hit in a bad spot. Doesn't add up!

 

[emzeeee]

Agreed, should be marks on them or her from her putting up a fight. Whether it be claw marks or bruises on her from him getting furious for getting hit in a bad spot. Doesn't add up!

Have you actually seen her or him? There's so much speculation going around on both sides of this with little to no facts.

 

[shadow21]

You make some good points, although I think any blanket rule for either side (all victims share some responsibility, or all victims share no responsibility) is just too broad and simplistic to be reality.

Example:

Ask people who disagree with you if they own a gun for self defense. If they say yes, ask them why they need a gun if they believe they have no responsibility for their safety.

Ask people who agree with you if they, or anyone they know, has ever been involved in a wreck with a drunk driver. One can be the safest driver on the planet, and a drunk fool can ruin your day or your life.

Either extreme breaks down. There are always exceptions.

There is a difference between ideology (we should all be allowed to behave in almost any way we wish without fearing for our safety) and reality (sometimes we can put ourselves in really bad situations that are totally avoidable).

Balancing those two ideas seems to give us all fits.

Couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Bope]

Agreed, should be marks on them or her from her putting up a fight. Whether it be claw marks or bruises on her from him getting furious for getting hit in a bad spot. Doesn't add up!

If they don't file charges by tomorrow, I will have to believe that they have not found any evidence that supports the accuser's claims.

You don't drag something like this out if you already have the evidence.

IMO, this will blow over. Sad that it happened before our biggest remaining game.

The girl was probably put up to it by Gary Pinkel.

 

[omghulkhands]

Agreed, should be marks on them or her from her putting up a fight. Whether it be claw marks or bruises on her from him getting furious for getting hit in a bad spot. Doesn't add up!

I don't think the lack of bruises or marks indicate anything. I know personal stories from people raped at gunpoint or who were threatened that if they struggled they would be killed.

 

[TownVFL]

I'm right there with ya on all accounts!!!! :good!:

A bit of advice...have your body armour on if you're gonna speak from a female perspective around here.

No worries! I can handle it. I think it's good for you guys to know that all females don't just jump on the girl bandwagon. If anyone understands women, it's women. I know ladies that have been truly been sexually assaulted and I have known those that cried wolf. Not saying that the accuser is one or the other here, but something is just not adding up for me either. And if another female admits that, then you know something ain't right!!!

I have been yelling for AJ the last few years and he is my boy. If it comes out he is in the wrong, I will be so disappointed. But right now, I am keeping my hopes up that this is all fabrication. He has been in a little trouble here and there but overall a great kid and great leader. I think one way or the other we all just need to know if they are pressing charges or not. Heck, I would be glad to know if they have even finished the PD investigation and it's with the DA! I think I need to go down there and help them out. Gimme five minutes with the girl and I will let you know what's up!

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Too bad they did away with chastity belts.

Universities could provide chastity belts to incoming female students. If there is sex it can only be because the female willingly unlocked the belt or gave away the key.

I'm not being serious, of course. But...

 

[emzeeee]

Too bad they did away with chastity belts.

Universities could provide chastity belts to incoming female students. If there is sex it can only be because the female willingly unlocked the belt or gave away the key.

I'm not being serious, of course. But...

Ha, but there are people out there that make the message 'don't get raped' instead of the correct 'don't rape people'.

 

[crazychuckie]

Have you actually seen her or him? There's so much speculation going around on both sides of this with little to no facts.

Carrying on conversation. Not accusing either. Would seem that charges could have been filed if there was actual visible proof versus a rape kit. That's what the boards are for to chat back and forth on how you feel about the situation. I will back AJ until it is determined what our justice system decides.

As for the gunpoint, speculating that AJ doesn't need to hold some chic at gunpoint.

 

[daj2576]

Some interesting things to think about addressing the relationship between alcohol and rape in college.

(Mohler-Kuo, 2004)

(Ward, 1991)

(Abbey, 1995)

From the abstract conclusion of the Mohler-Kuo study:

"The high proportion of rapes found to occur when women were intoxicated indicates the need for alcohol prevention programs on campuses that address sexual assault, both to educate men about what constitutes rape and to advise women of risky situations. The findings that some campus environments are associated with higher levels of both drinking and rape will help target rape prevention programs at colleges."

The bold text will make both sides head explode.

Here is an interesting resource when looking at these statistics:

http://nsvrc.org/sites/default/file...a-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence.pdf

Interesting to note that "20-25% of college women, and 15% of college men, are victims of forced sex during their time in college."

Also according to that sheet, they say the prevalence of false reporting ranges from 2% to 10%.

 

[emzeeee]

As for the gunpoint, speculating that AJ doesn't need to hold some chic at gunpoint.

Agreed.

 

[shadow21]

No worries! I can handle it. I think it's good for you guys to know that all females don't just jump on the girl bandwagon. If anyone understands women, it's women. I know ladies that have been truly been sexually assaulted and I have known those that cried wolf. Not saying that the accuser is one or the other here, but something is just not adding up for me either. And if another female admits that, then you know something ain't right!!!

I have been yelling for AJ the last few years and he is my boy. If it comes out he is in the wrong, I will be so disappointed. But right now, I am keeping my hopes up that this is all fabrication. He has been in a little trouble here and there but overall a great kid and great leader. I think one way or the other we all just need to know if they are pressing charges or not. Heck, I would be glad to know if they have even finished the PD investigation and it's with the DA! I think I need to go down there and help them out. Gimme five minutes with the girl and I will let you know what's up!

You're exactly right. To be honest, its a bit of societies fault for this kind of situation. In an attempt to encourage ACTUAL victims to report assault, we've essentially downplayed the severity of reporting the crime and what it entails. I think we've done the right thing as far as encouraging victims to report cases; nevertheless, it wasn't the most efficient course of action. Either way, it is important that ALL victims know the law and their rights, which is why it's a complicated subject. You can't attempt to deter the ones that "cry wolf" from reporting a case, because you could potentially be pushing away an actual victim that needed help.

 

[SobeVol]

I don't think the lack of bruises or marks indicate anything. I know personal stories from people raped at gunpoint or who were threatened that if they struggled they would be killed.

You must be kidding me!
So you are implying that Aj used a weapon to subdue her?
He is a big boy, I highly doubt he needs that, and as there is no mention of a weapon in the police report, then no.
So if he raped her and she struggled, some degree of scratches, bruises etc would be likely. Also signs of "forced entry" would likely be noted at the introitus. If she came out completely unmarked, I feel that it certainly would weaken her accusation.

To be completely honest, having scratches or bruises, in my opinion are not all that uncommon during sexual encounters.
That being said, their absence is more telling than their presence.
Bottom line we don't know anything! we really shouldn't assume anything.
Lets just hope the authorities make a call expeditiously.

 

[omghulkhands]

You must be kidding me!
So you are implying that Aj used a weapon to subdue her?
He is a big boy, I highly doubt he needs that, and as there is no mention of a weapon in the police report, then no.
So if he raped her and she struggled, some degree of scratches, bruises etc would be likely. Also signs of "forced entry" would likely be noted at the introitus. If she came out completely unmarked, I feel that it certainly would weaken her accusation.

To be completely honest, having scratches or bruises, in my opinion are not all that uncommon during sexual encounters.
That being said, their absence is more telling than their presence.
Bottom line we don't know anything! we really shouldn't assume anything.
Lets just hope the authorities make a call expeditiously.

Didn't imply that at all. Said that marks don't always indicate abuse or vice versa. You also don't need a weapon to threaten someone's life enough to where they will be subdued.

 

[TNDeb3]

No worries! I can handle it. I think it's good for you guys to know that all females don't just jump on the girl bandwagon. If anyone understands women, it's women. I know ladies that have been truly been sexually assaulted and I have known those that cried wolf. Not saying that the accuser is one or the other here, but something is just not adding up for me either. And if another female admits that, then you know something ain't right!!!

I have been yelling for AJ the last few years and he is my boy. If it comes out he is in the wrong, I will be so disappointed. But right now, I am keeping my hopes up that this is all fabrication. He has been in a little trouble here and there but overall a great kid and great leader. I think one way or the other we all just need to know if they are pressing charges or not. Heck, I would be glad to know if they have even finished the PD investigation and it's with the DA! I think I need to go down there and help them out. Gimme five minutes with the girl and I will let you know what's up!

BTW....Welcome to VolNation!!! :wavey:

GBO!!!

 

[shadow21]

In my opinion, what is commonly defined as rape, being two inebriated individuals having a sexual encounter that one regrets after the fact, will never be able to be prevented directly. This goes back to the psychological characteristics of humans, as a species.

"According to the traditional sexual script, men are the initiators and women the restrictors of sexual activities (McCormick, Brannigan, & LaPlante, 1984). While recent attitudes have shifted toward a more egalitarian standard (DeLamater & MacCorquodale, 1979) and sexual experiences are becoming more permissive (Finlay, Starnes, & Alvarez, 1985), [it is likely that this has not] resulted in changes in sexual scripts."

"Results indicate that men and women are guided by a similar sexual script with regard to responding to initiations and considering initiations, but not with regard to initiation of sexual activity. Men still initiate sexual activity more frequently than women. It was concluded that men and women still appear to be guided by the traditional sexual script with respect to initiations, but women may no longer serve as the restrictors of sexual activity as women respond positively to initiations as frequently as men do."

(O'Sullivan, 2010)

This fact, in combination with alcohol that removes inhibitions, will ALWAYS have a potential to result in regretful sexual behavior. Making men or women aware of what rape is won't solve the problem, in this situation. Therefore, if a change is to truly be made, one must remove the main cause. In this case, alcohol.

 

[JackHVFL]

AJ should accuse her of rape... sure he regrets it

 

[MFL]

Some of you think the longer it takes then the chances are greater it will be dropped. Just seems like if we know nothing by end of day Friday then not good. They would not drag it out past Friday for a drop.