AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

[Vercingetorix]

If we are going to "speculate"

How about: she was drunk, along with the guys, and agreed to be part of a "train" her girlfriend back out of the deal (embarassed) hence not filing charges. The accuser got busted by the boyfriend and cried "foul".

And here they sit in the middle of a mess.

This happened at a big party, where there were lots of people around to observe her demeanor before and afterwards. Surely if it were that straightforward it wouldnt take a whole week to throw it out.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

If your girlfriend tells you she was raped, would you not go to the police?

His first question should've been why are you texting AJ! Not much of a gf to be sleeping with team mates. Maybe she was the girl that got passed around to some of the team and DB caught feelings.

 

[emzeeee]

My point was that you were just as guilty as those you condemned when you called the accuser a "victim".

Seeing as how they are referred to as the victims on the police report and in the media, alleged is still implied to affect the word victim. So, I'm not guilty of anything.

 

[Obsessed]

This happened at a big party, where there were lots of people around to observe her demeanor before and afterwards. Surely if it were that straightforward it wouldnt take a whole week to throw it out.

Apparently it does.


My speculation on events are just as valid as yours. I do actually believe my speculation is closer to the truth though.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Apparently it does.


My speculation on events are just as valid as yours. I do actually believe my speculation is closer to the truth though.

Well, we'll see. If your scenario is accurate, then the DA will know there's zero chance of a conviction, and charges against both players will be dismissed directly.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Well, we'll see. If your scenario is accurate, then the DA will know there's zero chance of a conviction, and charges against both players will be dismissed directly.

I wouldn't say BOTH players. One player yes, but not BOTH. Everything has been pretty much quiet surrounding Williams. Everyone is coming to the defense of AJ. Not a peep about MW.

 

[Obsessed]

Well, we'll see. If your scenario is accurate, then the DA will know there's zero chance of a conviction, and charges against both players will be dismissed directly.

Problem with my speculation is she would have to admit to those facts. That won't happen. The embarrassment she would face to family and friends would be devastating.

I think it simply comes back as not enough evidence to charge the accused.

 

[shadow21]

Some interesting things to think about addressing the relationship between alcohol and rape in college.

"Roughly one in 20 (4.7%) women [attending college] reported being raped. Nearly three quarters (72%) of the victims experienced rape while intoxicated. Women who were under 21, were white, resided in sorority houses, used illicit drugs, drank heavily in high school and attended colleges with high rates of heavy episodic drinking were at higher risk of rape while intoxicated."

(Mohler-Kuo, 2004)

"The percentages for male and female alcohol use are very high for all three types of unwanted sexual experiences. The women report male use of alcohol for over 75% of all types of experiences; they report their own use of alcohol in over half of all experiences. While this is not sufficient evidence of a casual connection between alcohol use and sexual aggression, it shows, at minimum that alcohol is an important component of the student lifestyle and that unwanted sexual experiences are a product of that lifestyle"

(Ward, 1991)

"The results of several studies demonstrate that men perceive women more sexually than women do. In the first of these studies (Abbey, 1982), a male and female undergraduate interacted for five minutes while unbeknownst to them, another male and female undergraduate observed their conversation. As hypothesized, male actors and observers rated the female actor as being more sexual than did female actors and observers. Males were also more sexually attracted to and eager to date the opposite-sex actor than were females. These findings were interpreted as providing evidence that men view the world in a more sexualized manner than women do, and, consequently are more likely than women to interpret ambiguous cues as evidence of sexual intent. These results have been replicated in other studies using live interactions, videotapes, and photographs (Abbey, Cozzarelli, McLaughlin, & Harnish, 1987; Harnish, Abbey, & DeBono, 1990; Johnson, Stockdale, & Saal, 1991; Saal, Johnson, & Weber, 1989; Shotland & Craig, 1988)."

(Abbey, 1995)

 

[Vercingetorix]

I wouldn't say BOTH players. One player yes, but not BOTH. Everything has been pretty much quiet surrounding Williams. Everyone is coming to the defense of AJ. Not a peep about MW.

His scenario is that no crime was committed at all, that she's just embarrassed that she got caught boning two dudes. If that's the case charges against both of them will be dropped.

 

[TennesseeTopHat]

His first question should've been why are you texting AJ! Not much of a gf to be sleeping with team mates. Maybe she was the girl that got passed around to some of the team and DB caught feelings.

Lol do you monitor who your SO is texting and hassle them about it?

 

[shadow21]

Lol do you monitor who your SO is texting and hassle them about it?

No, but going to another players house in the late evening would be a red flag for me.

 

[Goldie]

Totally agree. It is PC now days. In any Self Defense course taught these days, it is taught that "Half of self defense is not putting yourself in bad situations. ". You are right on here.

It would appear that you are implying that a rape victim should know or would know if their rapist is indeed a rapist and therefore should know not to be around them. At the very least you are implying that a victim is somewhat responsible just because they existed within the vicinity of a potential rapist.

"Gosh I shouldn't have been at the party had I known that so and so was a rapist."


LOL

 

[patrick]

Well, we'll see. If your scenario is accurate, then the DA will know there's zero chance of a conviction, and charges against both players will be dismissed directly.

There are no "charges" pending against either player! There are only accusations.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

This will all be over tomorrow. Trust me.

Absolutely. This has been a total case of false accusations and has been resolved. AJ and MW will both be available Saturday and you have heard the name Drae Bowles for the last time in association with the VFL mantra.

Paging NeylandStadiumBum.....

its tomorrow.....

 

[TNDeb3]

This happened at a big party, where there were lots of people around to observe her demeanor before and afterwards. Surely if it were that straightforward it wouldnt take a whole week to throw it out.

If there were people within hearing distance of this attack, did she scream or try to get some help?

GBO!!!

 

[shadow21]

It would appear that you are implying that a rape victim should know or would know if their rapist is indeed a rapist and therefore should know not to be around them. At the very least you are implying that a victim is somewhat responsible just because they existed within the vicinity of a potential rapist.

"Gosh I shouldn't have been at the party had I known that so and so was a rapist."


LOL

If you read my previous post, on the last page with the quoted research articles, it is very clear that alcohol and unwanted sexual encounters are directly related. Any woman putting herself into that situation, is accepting certain significant risk factors. This is not putting the woman at fault, this is just saying that she knew, or should have known, the potential risks of drinking and college parties, and thereby could have prevented the situation.

 

[DaddyChad]

His first question should've been why are you texting AJ! Not much of a gf to be sleeping with team mates. Maybe she was the girl that got passed around to some of the team and DB caught feelings.

I think we've all had bad relationships and figured out that someone we're dating isn't who we thought they were. But is that really going to be your line of thought if someone you care about tells you they've been raped? Are you really going to interrogate your girlfriend and ask to see her text messages after she says she has been assaulted?

I'm not going to say who was in the wrong or the right here because again we're going off internet rumors at this point but if everything said is true then I can't fault DB for telling her to call the police and report the incident. Some said they would confront AJ, really?!? You're going to confront a guy that is either going to deny the accusations or whip your ass because there's no way that conversation is going down well with that much emotion. If what was said is true then DB did the best he could give an array of crappy choices.

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

If you read my previous post, on the last page with the quoted research articles, it is very clear that alcohol and unwanted sexual encounters are directly related. Any woman putting herself into that situation, is accepting certain significant risk factors. This is not putting the woman at fault, this is just saying that she knew, or should have known, the potential risks of drinking and college parties, and could have prevented the situation.

she could have prevented rape.

thats fantastic.

or you know, the rapist could have prevented it by not raping someone.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Problem with my speculation is she would have to admit to those facts. That won't happen. The embarrassment she would face to family and friends would be devastating.

I think it simply comes back as not enough evidence to charge the accused.

She wouldn't have to admit to anything, if you are correcr. The DA would say to her, "This is an unwinnable case. Are you sure you want to go ahead with it (and open your whole history up to rhe public)? Of course we believe you, but...." And she says no and they drop it and she can keep telling her family whatever she wants. I would not think it would take a whole week for that process to play out, if this is as cut and dry as you think it is.

 

[BigOrangeD]

It would appear that you are implying that a rape victim should know or would know if their rapist is indeed a rapist and therefore should know not to be around them. At the very least you are implying that a victim is somewhat responsible just because they existed within the vicinity of a potential rapist.

"Gosh I shouldn't have been at the party had I known that so and so was a rapist."


LOL

I think you took my comments out of context. You may need to read the other post leading up to this one.

 

[Obsessed]

She wouldn't have to admit to anything, if you are correcr. The DA would say to her, "This is an unwinnable case. Are you sure you want to go ahead with it (and open your whole history up to rhe public)? Of course we believe you, but...." And she says no and they drop it and she can keep telling her family whatever she wants. I would not think it would take a whole week for that process to play out, if this is as cut and dry as you think it is.

Thing is, if I'm right, we will never know.

(And rightfully so)

Please understand I'm not accusing either or faulting either of them in this case. I just think all evidence should be laid out before labels are placed on folks.

 

[shadow21]

I think we've all had bad relationships and figured out that someone we're dating isn't who we thought they were. But is that really going to be your line of thought if someone you care about tells you they've been raped? Are you really going to interrogate your girlfriend and ask to see her text messages after she says she has been assaulted?

I'm not going to say who was in the wrong or the right here because again we're going off internet rumors at this point but if everything said is true then I can't fault DB for telling her to call the police and report the incident. Some said they would confront AJ, really?!? You're going to confront a guy that is either going to deny the accusations or whip your ass because there's no way that conversation is going down well with that much emotion. If what was said is true then DB did the best he could give an array of crappy choices.

DB will not have any legal repercussions, so long as there is no evidence that he was intentionally trying to hurt AJ/MW by getting her to call rape.

Possible scenario: More than likely something went down, after the fact, that made her angry at AJ.
She went crying to someone she knew would listen to her. DB asks why shes upset, she says its because of AJ. He asks what she was doing at his house. She says she was just there for the party, but they ended up having sex even though she didn't want it. All in an attempt to get DB to sympathize with her. DB gets angry, says that's rape, convinces her to call cops.

 

[m1al]

Some interesting things to think about addressing the relationship between alcohol and rape in college.

"The results of several studies demonstrate that men perceive women more sexually than women do. In the first of these studies (Abbey, 1982), a male and female undergraduate interacted for five minutes while unbeknownst to them, another male and female undergraduate observed their conversation. As hypothesized, male actors and observers rated the female actor as being more sexual than did female actors and observers. Males were also more sexually attracted to and eager to date the opposite-sex actor than were females. These findings were interpreted as providing evidence that men view the world in a more sexualized manner than women do, and, consequently are more likely than women to interpret ambiguous cues as evidence of sexual intent. These results have been replicated in other studies using live interactions, videotapes, and photographs (Abbey, Cozzarelli, McLaughlin, & Harnish, 1987; Harnish, Abbey, & DeBono, 1990; Johnson, Stockdale, & Saal, 1991; Saal, Johnson, & Weber, 1989; Shotland & Craig, 1988)."

(Abbey, 1995)

This is not earth shattering news. Not sure why they needed to fund a study for this. All one has to do is observe the animal kingdom (which we are a part of) as a whole to see evidence of this.

Note: I'm not picking on you, just amused that someone felt they needed to spend money (probably tax dollars) studying this..

 

[TownVFL]

Okay, female perspective here....I had a friend that was attacked by a guy in the bathroom while we were on our high school senior beach trip. She was recouping from a serious hangover and was not over it by any means...dude followed her into the bathroom while she was in the shower and locked the door. I beat that friggin' door down until I got in! If these girls are friends (assumption) and the one from FL wanted nothing to do with Williams which is when he got involved in the other, why the heck didn't the other girl call 911 or get some help? I know she can't take down two football players but hello??? No one is assaulting my friends, I don't care if she was drunk off her butt or not! And if there were a lot of folks at this party (rumor) then surely someone would have helped them. Why wait for Drae to pick you up and then yell Rape? Just me thinking out loud.....

 

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