AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

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EastTN said:
Well if AJ was with the girl who didn't press charges would he not get to play on Saturday if he gets cleared before weeks end? It's not like the NCAA suspended him.
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I would imagine if he is cleared of anycharges he would play unless he is serving a suspension for a second offense from his resisting arrest earlier in the year. And that would be a coaches decision we may never know
 
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VOLinPD said:
It's kinda funny how the same people saying that they have never had any negative encounters with police are the same ones claiming that "AJ should have never put himself in this situation." Definitely not living in reality. Or maybe they haven't left their house in decades (except to go to church of course). Here are a couple facts for you: 1) The KPD and UTPD prey on UT students and don't treat them with any respect. (Not smart enough to get into college, jealousy issues) 2) College guys and college girls have a few drinks and have sex sometimes.
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While I agree, you can't say "The KPD and UTPD" like it's all of them, I've had good conversations with a lot of those cops on gamedays just hanging around, and I'm 18 years old. So I fit the demographic they'd be "preying" on perfectly, but 90% of the time they're nice guys.

Obviously, this is not the same when they're actually enforcing law on you, but luckily that hasn't happened to me.
 
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bigdaddy said:
I would imagine if he is cleared of anycharges he would play unless he is serving a suspension for a second offense from his resisting arrest earlier in the year. And that would be a coaches decision we may never know
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did that first charge from the spring get dropped?
 
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Christian Lowe said:
While I agree, you can't say "The KPD and UTPD" like it's all of them, I've had good conversations with a lot of those cops on gamedays just hanging around, and I'm 18 years old. So I fit the demographic they'd be "preying" on perfectly, but 90% of the time they're nice guys.

Obviously, this is not the same when they're actually enforcing law on you, but luckily that hasn't happened to me.
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Gamedays are not the same as living and partying on campus
 
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VOLinPD said:
. Here are a couple facts for you: 1) The KPD and UTPD prey on UT students and don't treat them with any respect. (Not smart enough to get into college, jealousy issues) 2) College guys and college girls have a few drinks and have sex sometimes.
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Just ask Bernard King about statement #1.....
 
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EastTN said:
Well if AJ was with the girl who didn't press charges would he not get to play on Saturday if he gets cleared before weeks end? It's not like the NCAA suspended him.
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Depends on what they consider his level of involvement with the other girl. If they arrested him then either it was for the girl who didn't press charges or he was somehow involved in the other incident.

If he is not implicated in the rape then he could potentially be cleared in the next couple of days and re-join the team.
 
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Pride85 said:
Maybe the point is they shouldn't be out full of testoterone and alcohol if it means they resort to beasts of prey. I hope you never have a female loved one end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. According to you, she would be asking for it by just being there.

I personally think it would be horrendous to have friend of my 19 year old daughter decide it would be great to go to a party and ask my daughter to go with her. I would be very upset at my daughter for her lapse in judgement, but I would be homicidal to the so called man that felt she was fair game just for being there. Being a father in these times have created many a grey hair on my not so old head.
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There is "the wrong place at the wrong time", then there is going to a jock party, probably drinking, maybe to excess, and going home at 3 am with two of them and not thinking something was going to happen.
 
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Pride85 said:
Maybe the point is they shouldn't be out full of testoterone and alcohol if it means they resort to beasts of prey.
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Young college men at a party shouldn't be full of testosterone and alcohol. Gotcha. Sounds completely reasonable and logical.

I hope you never have a female loved one end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. According to you, she would be asking for it by just being there.
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According to me, what she should expect, is to not be treated like a lady. Terrible, terrible, decision. That doesn't mean she's asking to be raped. No one asked to be raped. Even in those circumstances rape is rare. But being grabbed and disrespected is common. It's all trouble.


I personally think it would be horrendous to have friend of my 19 year old daughter decide it would be great to go to a party and ask my daughter to go with her. I would be very upset at my daughter for her lapse in judgement, but I would be homicidal to the so called man that felt she was fair game just for being there. Being a father in these times have created many a grey hair on my not so old head.
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I agree.
 
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Not sure if any of you are aware of this little law in Cali, but it is getting pushed everywhere else too. It means the absence of "no" is not consent. It means regret the next morning is rape. It means without a signed contract of mutual agreement you might as well keep it in your pants.
Student action groups are pushing for this law all across the country. Wait and see if now this law comes to the forefront in TN. Laws can't help people make good decisions when they're drunk. Rape is rape.
California adopts 'yes means yes' law
 
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You mean quote you again? Ok...

bamacheats said:
Exactly. Any moron who's gonna party with players at 2 a.m. can't expect to be treated like a royal lady.

Testosterone + alcohol + early morning + girls = trouble
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I have been at parties backstage, with athletes and with rich college kids and NEVER did I get the feeling that all the women there were expected to put out.

Anyone who says differently is simply wrong.
 
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Asking again for an info/news/rumors only thread. Trying to find bits of info in this one (including the original) is like looking for food scraps in a cess pool.
 
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Pride85 said:
My point has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of either party, but the overall lack of decency in a lot of the comments here. This is a sad state of affairs when this type of situation, whether it be rape or false accusation, is in any way considered a situation that can be justified.
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Your post makes no sense. If there was a crime committed by either or both of the players there is no justification. If this is a case of "I got drink and now regret what I did so I am going to cry foul", the contents about asking for trouble are justified to some extent. I am the father of two males. If you think I didn't warn them until they hated to hear it about date rape, think again. Sad fact of the matter, false accusations happen in the light of day.
 
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bamacheats said:
Young college men at a party shouldn't be full of testosterone and alcohol. Gotcha. Sounds completely reasonable and logical.

According to me, what she should expect, is to not be treated like a lady. Terrible, terrible, decision. That doesn't mean she's asking to be raped. No one asked to be raped. Even in those circumstances rape is rare. But being grabbed and disrespected is common. It's all trouble.

I agree.
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Again, I guess the difference is I now look at things from a different perspective. While I was at UT, I was not a very good person. I was not a predator, but I was looking for one thing and didn't hesitate if things went my way. I am ashamed of the way I acted then looking back. I thought that was what I needed to feel happy, but i usually felt horrible as I thought about it. I knew it was wrong then and it is wrong now. It is no different for the male of the female to be involved in this. It is the woman's responsibility to avoid being in places they shouldn't, but the same thing goes for the man. We are a society of humans, not animals. We can agree to disagree on this situation. The guidelines I base my feelings on come from a much more reliable source than any I could ever find on this board.
 
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Blaming the victim is the wrong thing to do, however this is America and you are innocent until proven guilty. I don't think this is an incident where you can say "AJ and Michael should have never put themselves in this position". Two good looking girls go home with two good looking guys, it's not unreasonable for AJ and Michael to assume sex is on the table. And there's nothing wrong with two young guys getting laid, that's not a bad position AJ and Michael put themselves in. If the guys were driving intoxicated then that is a VERY bad position to put yourself in, but there's been no mention of that.

I would never blame the victim, but it is an odd situation. If these two young men are rapists then they belong in jail, period. I'm not sure why criminal charges were not pursued by these young women, at a minimum it potentially protects another woman from being victimized by these men. People do things they regret or don't remember when they are heavily intoxicated. It could be a situation where the girls truly believe they were assaulted, but the evidence/examination does not support that which makes it hard to make a criminal case. If that is the case then it is a horrible situation for these young women and if it is a case where these girls gave consent as a result of intoxication (from drugs or alcohol) then these two young men have to carry the stigma of sexually assaulting two women without knowing it.

As far as AJ Johnson's draft stock, I don't think it affects it as much as some think. This isn't going to tank him, players have been drafted high with these incidents in their past. NFL teams will do their own investigation, talk to the coaches, and talk to AJ. NFL teams have forgiven large offenses when the talent is that good.
 
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bamacheats said:
If you genuinely believe that young men full of testosterone and alcohol are the beacons of chivalry and romance at 2 a.m., then you sir, may just be ignorant enough, to be a bammer.
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Are you suggesting that these hormone-and-alcohol-fueled young men are incapable of controlling their own behavior? If not, everything that you are saying is irrelevant.

Either a woman has a reasonable expectation of being able to live her life as she sees fit without being sexually violated, or she doesn't. You seem to think that there are situations where she doesn't, and that is an absolutely detestable thought process.
 
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Guyute said:
You mean quote you again? Ok...



I have been at parties backstage, with athletes and with rich college kids and NEVER did I get the feeling that all the women there were expected to put out.

Anyone who says differently is simply wrong.
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I having trouble finding it still. Maybe you bold the words "she's asking to be raped". Thanks.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
As far as AJ Johnson's draft stock, I don't think it affects it as much as some think. This isn't going to tank him, players have been drafted high with these incidents in their past. NFL teams will do their own investigation, talk to the coaches, and talk to AJ. NFL teams have forgiven large offenses when the talent is that good.
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I don't know if I completely agree with you. I think you're going to see more and more teams avoid the sort of baggage that certain kids may bring with them. This is happening to a larger and larger degree anyway on all character issues or concerns. With all the wildfire surrounding the Ray Rice affair, I can't see teams taking this sort of chance...there's the inherent risk involved in signing someone with questionable character and now there's a public relations consideration as well.

Let's see where Jameis falls...that will be a really good litmus test.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
There is "the wrong place at the wrong time", then there is going to a jock party, probably drinking, maybe to excess, and going home at 3 am with two of them and not thinking something was going to happen.
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So you believe that there are situations where rape is inevitable?
 
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bamawriter said:
Are you suggesting that these hormone-and-alcohol-fueled young men are incapable of controlling their own behavior? If not, everything that you are saying is irrelevant.

Either a woman has a reasonable expectation of being able to live her life as she sees fit without being sexually violated, or she doesn't. You seem to think that there are situations where she doesn't, and that is an absolutely detestable thought process.
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Your stupidity and illiteracy are really something spectacular.

You think testosterone and alcohol fueled young men don't have impaired judgment and cognitive skills? Why don't you do us a favor and liquor up somebody and let them taxi you around for the night. Then report back your findings.

Explaining a situation and excusing a situation are two different things.

No one deserves to be robbed. Walk through the hood late at night wearing your bling, you're probably going to get robbed. Did you deserve it. No. Should you expect it. Probably.
 
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bamacheats said:
Your stupidity and illiteracy are really something spectacular.

You think testosterone and alcohol fueled young men don't have impaired judgment and cognitive skills? Why don't you do us a favor and liquor up somebody and let them taxi you around for the night. Then report back your findings.

Explaining a situation and excusing a situation are two different things.

No one deserves to be robbed. Walk through the hood late at night wearing your bling, you're probably going to get robbed. Did you deserve it. No. Should you expect it. Probably.
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So based on YOUR statement, if a woman finds herself at a party with UT football players they should expect to be sexually assaulted? And the football players should be expected to sexually assault any women there?

Try harder. Your argument is insulting to the young men on the team while sanctioning sexual assault after the fact (she was asking for it!).

Honestly, Where do you get this stuff and why do you keep digging yourself deeper in the mud by defending it?
 
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