Ainge's resume

#26
#26
KCVolLaw said:
why play an ainge that can only throw passes to the flat when you have a Crompton that can throw bombs healthy (assuming is leg infection is completely healed)?
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Face it. Crompton put up similar numbers as Ainge in his second year on campus in the LSU and Arky game. Yet, Ainge is thought of as the second coming and Crompton (who hasn't had the number of first team rep snaps or game experience) is considered chopped liver. CJ Leak put up Ainge-esque numbers and never saw the field again after UGA 2003. Clausen had to constantly bail out Ainge in 2004 (the Cotton Bowl when Ainge was injured) and in 2005 (UAB and LSU).

Man... I wish we had Casey Clausen back. :wacko:
 
#27
#27
Rasputin_Vol said:
All I'm saying is that other QB have been given less leash than Ainge and have performed just as well. Why the fixation with Ainge?
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What other quarterbacks are you talking about? Just Clausen and Schaeffer, right? Schaeffer probably had a shot to win the job back but was kicked off the team, and look how good he turned out to be. The coaches tried to give Ainge the job over Clausen the job simply because Clausen's arm was so horrible, and once Ainge imploded at LSU and Clausen won the job, he gave it right back by playing like crap against Georgia. There's no question that Fulmer destroyed that season with his mismanagement of the quarterback position, but it's obvious that he didn't really think Clausen could get the job done. And other than the second half of the LSU game, he didn't.

You play the guy that you think gives you the best chance to win. That's why you play a gimpy senior QB over Crompton, whose last extended action was imploding against Arkansas. That's why in 2005 they put the head case with the NFL arm out there instead of the guy with the noodle.

(The funny thing is that between Ainge's pinky and the receivers, they're probably calling plays now as though Rick Clausen were back there again.)
 
#29
#29
UTLCA said:
You forgot to mention the fact that he set UT's single season record for completion percentage, that he is 3rd on UT's touchdowns thrown list, or 127 yards of total offense away from being 4th on UT's all-time list for that stat.

I know you were wrong with your numbers for the USM game, he was 23 of 36, so that brings into question the rest of your numbers. Also, you convieniently forgot the other 2 touchdowns he threw against Cal last year.
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My bad... 23-36. I got that one wrong. Not much better, though.

Rick Clausen has just as many 300 yard passing games as Ainge, and has more bowl wins than Ainge.

Rick Clausen's signature win is coming from behind (aftter saving Ainge's bacon) and beating LSU in 2005.

Scheaffer's signature win is bailing out Ainge after a dreadful start against USC and actually getting the offense started in 2004.

Ainge's signature win is beating Georgia after starting the game with his typical first half performance and suddenly catching fire in the second half.

0-1 in bowls
 
#30
#30
Rasputin_Vol said:
Face it. Crompton put up similar numbers as Ainge in his second year on campus in the LSU and Arky game. Yet, Ainge is thought of as the second coming and Crompton (who hasn't had the number of first team rep snaps or game experience) is considered chopped liver. CJ Leak put up Ainge-esque numbers and never saw the field again after UGA 2003. Clausen had to constantly bail out Ainge in 2004 (the Cotton Bowl when Ainge was injured) and in 2005 (UAB and LSU).

Man... I wish we had Casey Clausen back. :wacko:
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Meachem made two great plays on overthrown deep balls by Crompton against LSU; other than that, Tennessee didn't move the ball at all. Crompton played like crap against Arkansas. You don't bench a senior quarterback for that unless you have to.

This is like arguing with my wife, who always blames everything on the quarterback and wants to put the backup in after the first two punts. And she doesn't know anything about football.
 
#31
#31
Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Couldn't beat out Scheaffer (Ole Miss's current back up) during the fall practice of freshmen year
2. Had a flash of brilliance in the Florida game of 2004. Becomes starter. Struggles throughout the year against the likes of Ole Miss, Notre Dame and USC. Given longer leash and more chances to make mistakes than Scheaffer.
3. Needed a great play from Scheaffer in the closing minutes of the first half of the 2004 USC game to save his bacon and get Tennessee back in the football game.
4. Injured in the Notre Dame Game after another first half of struggling. Out for the season.
5. Finishes the season with stat lines such as 12-21 150 yds against UGA, 14-30 for 231 yards against lowly Ole Miss, 10-22 for 132 yards against Bama, 9-16 for 109 yards against USC, and 11-18 for 149 against Notre Dame.
6. Ainge and Scheaffer battle in the spring of 2005. Both put up similar numbers during those spring scimmages. Doesn't definitively separate himself from Scheaffer, who later becomes a receiver and second string QB at lowly Ole Miss. Scheaffer is dismissed.
7. Ainge and Clausen battle in the fall practices leading up to the 2005 season. Ainge and Clausen put up similar numbers in the fall scrimmages. Doesn't definitively separate himself from Rick Clausen, an LSU reject with a weak arm.
8. Struggles in the UAB game to open season. Has his bacon saved again, this time by Rick Clausen
10. The coaching staff continues to stroke Ainge's ego in the following game against Florida. Again, he struggles, going 14-29 for 147 yards.
11. 2005 LSU (no need to say anything else)
12. Doesn't play in the next 2 games against Ole Miss and Georgia.
13. Goes 0-2 against Alabama. Normally, a QB that puts up those kinds of numbers after a resume like this would never see the field again (see CJ Leak's 2-4 against UGA in 2003 and Brent Scheaffer's 1-5 and 0-1 stat lines against Auburn and Georgia).
14. The next week, Ainge sees the field in a loss against USC and goes 5-11 and 34 yards (CJ Leak would have been walking back to Charlotte after 2 straight games like this).
15. Randy Sanders falls on the sword for Ainge and Fulmer.
16. 13-32 for 187 against Notre Dame the following week...
17. 14-24 for 209 yards against Memphis
18. Didn't play in our loss against Vandy...
19. 17-25 for 221 against Kentucky (pre-Sanders)
20. No bowl for the Vols. Ainge has yet to win a bowl game (or even play in a bowl game).
21. Cutty comes in and "revamps" the offense. He continues the recent practice of stroking Ainge's ego and rebuilding his confidence
22. A preview of things to come, Cutty opens the season with a string of short passes to one of our few playmakers, Robert Meachem, and Meachem breaks 2 long runs after the catch for touchdowns. Tennessee football is back on track...
23. Ainges 1st 300 yard passing game comes against the the mighty Air Force Falcons who are just a two point conversion play away from upsetting the Vols in Knoxville. The excuse given at the time is that the option is hard to defend... another excuse by this coaching staff, but can't blame Ainge for this effort.
24. Ainge comes back to his normal self as he goes 17/32 for 183 yards (0 TD's and 2 ints) against Florida the following week.
25. A relatively solid effort by Ainge against Marshall as he goes 18-27 for 258 yards.
26. Dismal 1st half against Georgia. Allows a down UGA team to outsmart/outplay him in the first 30 minutes as the Vols go into haltime trailing 24-14. Then Ainge recaptures the same lightning in the bottle that he had in the 2004 Florida game and pulls out his "signature" win at the University of Tennessee as the Vols rally to a 51-33 win over Georgia.
27. Ainges second career 300 yard game against Alabama
28. 21-29 for 254 against USC in a 31-24 dogfight that still was in doubt until the last minute of play with Spurrier, until D. Morley intercepts a 4th and 2 pass and seals the victory for Rocky Top.
29. Ainge is injured again.
30. Against LSU, the coaching staff still hangs on to what faith they have left about Ainge being our best chance of winning and trots him out against LSU as he goes 1-6 for 3 yards. Crompton replaces him and puts up an Ainge-esque performance of 11-24 for 2 TD's.
31. Ainge still injured.
32. Ainge misses Arkansas game as Crompton goes a modest/Ainge-esque 16-34 for 174 yards. Had Ainge put up the same numbers, the coaching staff would have been impressed. But for Crompton, who is making his second start and has had less snaps, it is not good enough.
33. Ainge comes back and puts on a 21-26 performance against a Cutler-less Vandy squad.
34. 19-33 for 240 yards in a dogfight against a Kentucky team with a mediocre defense.
35. The Penn State bowl game loss. Ainge's record in bowl games is now 0-1.
36. Ainge injures meniscus during spring practice.
37. Ainge injures pinky a week before Cal game.
38. Ainge, already limited by his broken pinky, resists being pulled from game (as stated by Cutcliffe) and costs UT a chance at throwing downfield all game and checks out of a pass play on 3rd down approaching two minutes to go in the game. He aggrivates his pinky and injures his shoulder in the closing minutes of the game after a rough tackle by Cal. Tennessee is 0-1 for 2007.
39. 19-36 for 254 against a team that Tennessee should always beat in USM. Did throw the ball more downfield considerably more in this game, but coaching staff blames receivers for inabilty to go down field more often. Meanwhile, Troy St. manages to hang 31 on the Gators...
40. Florida... no downfield passing threats (again) and more excuses and more rhetoric about Ainge giving Tennessee the best shot at winning.

Discuss...
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5. You forget to mention that he throws for 2 TD and no int against UGA, or that he threw 3 TD and 1 int against USC. Or that he played one of the best defenses in recent memory at Bama.

13. Normally, a QB with potential doesn't get his position changed. See James Banks, CJ Leak, and Brent Scheaffer.

14 & 17. He went 9-21 and 1-3 against USC and Memphis, respectively. Not 5-11/14-24. You got those numbers completely wrong.

19. What do his numbers at Kentucky have to do with Sanders, or the lack thereof?

23. What does the option have to do with Ainge? You recognize that, but still can't bear to leave it out, just like how when you were TVA, you said DMo failing out was Fulmer's fault.

33. Oh that's right, Cutler played defense for Vandy in 2005...

And as I stated before you were wrong on Ainge's USM numbers.

Well, your credibility was already shot, but now this confirms it. Way to make up fake facts to use in your arguments.
 
#32
#32
Vercingetorix said:
What other quarterbacks are you talking about? Just Clausen and Schaeffer, right? Schaeffer probably had a shot to win the job back but was kicked off the team, and look how good he turned out to be. The coaches tried to give Ainge the job over Clausen the job simply because Clausen's arm was so horrible, and once Ainge imploded at LSU and Clausen won the job, he gave it right back by playing like crap against Georgia. There's no question that Fulmer destroyed that season with his mismanagement of the quarterback position, but it's obvious that he didn't really think Clausen could get the job done. And other than the second half of the LSU game, he didn't.

You play the guy that you think gives you the best chance to win. That's why you play a gimpy senior QB over Crompton, whose last extended action was imploding against Arkansas. That's why you put the head case with the NFL arm out there instead of the guy with the noodle.

(The funny thing is that between Ainge's pinky and the receivers, they're probably calling plays now as though Rick Clausen were back there again.)
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Exactly... Clausen's arm was horrible, so that was their reasoning for siding with Ainge.

But this season comes around, and Ainge can't throw any further than Clausen... but yet, he gives us a better chance to win?

makes no sense to argue for arm strength when chosing Ainge over Clausen one year, but then chosing "experience" (whatever experience that is) over arm strength 2 years later.
 
#34
#34
Vercingetorix said:
What other quarterbacks are you talking about? Just Clausen and Schaeffer, right? Schaeffer probably had a shot to win the job back but was kicked off the team, and look how good he turned out to be. The coaches tried to give Ainge the job over Clausen the job simply because Clausen's arm was so horrible, and once Ainge imploded at LSU and Clausen won the job, he gave it right back by playing like crap against Georgia. There's no question that Fulmer destroyed that season with his mismanagement of the quarterback position, but it's obvious that he didn't really think Clausen could get the job done. And other than the second half of the LSU game, he didn't.

You play the guy that you think gives you the best chance to win. That's why you play a gimpy senior QB over Crompton, whose last extended action was imploding against Arkansas. That's why you put the head case with the NFL arm out there instead of the guy with the noodle.

(The funny thing is that between Ainge's pinky and the receivers, they're probably calling plays now as though Rick Clausen were back there again.)
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Saying "the guy with the noodle" was a little excessive. Crompton's arm strength is the least of his worries at this point.
 
#36
#36
Rasputin_Vol said:
Rick Clausen has just as many 300 yard passing games as Ainge, and has more bowl wins than Ainge.

Rick Clausen's signature win is coming from behind (aftter saving Ainge's bacon) and beating LSU in 2005.

Scheaffer's signature win is bailing out Ainge after a dreadful start against USC and actually getting the offense started in 2004.

Ainge's signature win is beating Georgia after starting the game with his typical first half performance and suddenly catching fire in the second half.

0-1 in bowls
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Ainge has 3, Clausen has 2.

So beating a 6-0 UGA squad is a bad win? I don't get your signature win argument. It looks like Ainge's signature win was a little better than BS's. Ainge was 25-38 for 258 and 2 TD and 0 int. Not too shabby.
 
#38
#38
"Headcase" is a little excessive

Loss of confidence would probably be better.

A "headcase" would have done nothing with a broken pinkie at Cal.
 
#39
#39
Rasputin_Vol said:
Exactly... Clausen's arm was horrible, so that was their reasoning for siding with Ainge.

But this season comes around, and Ainge can't throw any further than Clausen... but yet, he gives us a better chance to win?

makes no sense to argue for arm strength when chosing Ainge over Clausen one year, but then chosing "experience" (whatever experience that is) over arm strength 2 years later.
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I don't disagree that Ainge's pinky seems to be limiting the playcalling to the extent where it's questionable whether he should be in there. Unless it's just that our receivers are so crapulous that there's no way they can get open downfield, in which case arm strength is irrelevant anyway.

Whatever the case, at this point I'm not sure that it matters. Our receivers are crummy and we have no running game. Whoever plays quarterback is in for a long season.
 
#41
#41
UTLCA said:
"Headcase" is a little excessive

Loss of confidence would probably be better.

A "headcase" would have done nothing with a broken pinkie at Cal.
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IMO, Ainge was a full-on head case for awhile there in 2005 -- with the considerable assistance of the coaching staff's handling of the QB situation. The nadir was of course the Worst Interception In History against LSU. He's the last thing in the world from a head case now. While I've been tremendously disappointed in what Cutcliffe has done with the offense as a whole, there's no question that he's done wonders with Erik Ainge.

(And if I were the New York Giants, I would do whatever it took to hire him as my quarterbacks coach.)
 
#42
#42
Erik Ainge 3 133.60 81-124-1 65.3 796 6 43 265.3

these are his stats for this year through three games two of which are against consensus top 8 teams. say what you want about cals defense or southern miss or his sub par performance against florida. My point is Ainge has not had a bad start for the year. Without a punt return be D.J. and a missed blocking assignment, who knows we may have pulled it out against cal. I agree with everyone else who says Ainge is by far the least of our problems.
 
#43
#43
UTLCA said:
5. You forget to mention that he throws for 2 TD and no int against UGA, or that he threw 3 TD and 1 int against USC. Or that he played one of the best defenses in recent memory at Bama.

13. Normally, a QB with potential doesn't get his position changed. See James Banks, CJ Leak, and Brent Scheaffer.

Banks and Scheaffer have more memorbale moments and have made more plays than Ainge could ever lie about making in 4 years. The Hail Mary with Banks helped us get momentum in the Swamp. Scheaffer saving Ainge's bacon in the 2004 USC game is his highlight.

Ainge's most memorable moment is a int. in Baton Rouge... that is Ainge's legacy...

14 & 17. He went 9-21 and 1-3 against USC and Memphis, respectively. Not 5-11/14-24. You got those numbers completely wrong.

My bad... I was looking at Clausen's numbers on that. Yeah. Ainge was 9-21 and 1-3 in those games (10 for 24 over a 2 game stretch). Whoa... now thse are impressive numbers. You really got me there...

19. What do his numbers at Kentucky have to do with Sanders, or the lack thereof?

Sanders coached Ole Miss' current back up QB and was able to get plays out of him. Of course, Scheaffer didn't help himself off the field, but he did make plays when he wasn't handcuffed in this played out/backwards conservative offense that Fulmer loves. Rick Clausen actually outperformed Ainge in 2005 and had a much weaker arm. Woodson was a nobody before Sanders got to Kentucky. That is what Sanders has to do with it.

23. What does the option have to do with Ainge? You recognize that, but still can't bear to leave it out, just like how when you were TVA, you said DMo failing out was Fulmer's fault.

D-Mo failing was Fulmer's fault? Really?

As far as the option, just another set of excuses by this staff to explain how Air Force could roll up 400+ yards of offense on us...

33. Oh that's right, Cutler played defense for Vandy in 2005...

Even with Cutler, no way Tennessee should have lost that game...

And as I stated before you were wrong on Ainge's USM numbers.

Well, your credibility was already shot, but now this confirms it. Way to make up fake facts to use in your arguments.
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#45
#45
Well, the author of the thread apparently thought that he could make things up in order to criticize Ainge. I just hope that I've done my part to keep the more naive members reading this thread from jumping on Ainge, irresponsibily to say the least.
 
#47
#47
NationofVols said:
Other than apparently Ainge not getting any credit for anything or for any wins.....no. That's borderline ridiculous.
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What is Ainge's record as a starter (I'll give you 2005 LSU and 2004 USC even though we know that he technically wasn't the reason why we won the game)?
 
#49
#49
Banks and Scheaffer have more memorbale moments and have made more plays than Ainge could ever lie about making in 4 years. The Hail Mary with Banks helped us get momentum in the Swamp. Scheaffer saving Ainge's bacon in the 2004 USC game is his highlight.

How many games did BS win wearing Orange?

How many has Ainge won?

Better yet, what are their win percentages?

Additionally, Brent and Banks have 1 memorable moment each in their whole career. I'd say Ainge has more positive moments than one.

My bad... I was looking at Clausen's numbers on that. Yeah. Ainge was 9-21 and 1-3 in those games (10 for 24 over a 2 game stretch). Whoa... now thse are impressive numbers. You really got me there...

Yeah, I exposed your fraudulant information.

Sanders coached Ole Miss' current back up QB and was able to get plays out of him. Of course, Scheaffer didn't help himself off the field, but he did make plays when he wasn't handcuffed in this played out/backwards conservative offense that Fulmer loves. Rick Clausen actually outperformed Ainge in 2005 and had a much weaker arm. Woodson was a nobody before Sanders got to Kentucky. That is what Sanders has to do with it.

Sanders was deathly afraid to let BS throw the ball, look at how many passes he attempted during his games here. He was there to make plays with his feet. Woodson was actually primed for a breakout year in the offseason when Sanders got there, a product of his and Rafael Little's productive 2005 season, not the imminent arrival of RS.

D-Mo failing was Fulmer's fault? Really?

That's what the late, great TVA said last winter.

As far as the option, just another set of excuses by this staff to explain how Air Force could roll up 400+ yards of offense on us...

Why bring this up in an Ainge bashing thread?

Even with Cutler, no way Tennessee should have lost that game...

But Cutler has nothing to do with Ainge as you implied.
 
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