Ainge: "QB position is a question mark"

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zjcvols said:
We beat LSU with a healthy Ainge. Crompton played pretty decent, but threw two picks in that game. Not too mention we got zero, absolute zero offense in the first quarter because Ainge tried to go and couldn't. LSU went to a BCS bowl that year, so I assume UT would have taken their spot with a win.
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Blind speculation at best and makes no sense. We got hammered at Arkansas, so no, we wouldn't have gone to to a BCS bowl game if we had beaten LSU. Arkansas probably would have.

The only chance Ainge ever had to get us to a BCS game was by winning the 2007 SECCG. Of course, he folded up in typical fashion during the 4th quarter.
 
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Ok I couldn't read 44 pages of garbage. I usually try to read every page of a thread before I comment so that I'm making as informed a post as I can, but the stuff being spewed here is garbage. A guy plays two bad games with a half-healed thumb, and one game with a 100+ fever and the flu and all of a sudden he is a bad QB who doesn't work hard, doesn't study film, and has academic and drug issues? I guess the entire two years he has been here, where we have heard about him setting up extra 7 on 7 practices over summer, all during camp and the injury process Dooley said he is constantly asking the right questions, always in the film room or weight room outside of practice, trying his best to learn the mental side, the leadership that everyone praised all year, that I personally watched in both the Cincy and GA game, has all gone out the window? The BS that got spewed for the month following the KY loss is ridiculous. As for Ainge, I will respect his opinion, even though I disagree with it. He had all the potential in the world, and Rex Ryan himself said that Ainge could have been a starter for just about any other team in the NFL. The dude can't change the drug issue that ruined his mindset for five years. Is anyone going to talk about our weak a** schedule for next year? How we return more starters than any other team in the SEC, including every single starter (minus Poole) that played offense last year? Naw, we want to bash the few bright spots that were on the team all off season and talk about how we (being the people who have never met these people in our lives) KNOW they have drug and attitude problems, and don't care about the program. Bray has an attitude problem? Really? I've heard more confirmed stories about that guy doing charitable acts than I have about his apparent "drug problems" or "academic problems". The dude doesn't even use his twitter account in comparison to JH and DR, but I've seen him post how he was "excited for workouts" on more than one occasion this past two weeks. DR is always talking about his workouts every single day. But we the people who don't know these guys will just spew garbage about them for months. Ridiculous. I thought we were supposed to be grown men. Guess not.
 
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Some of the most ignorant stuff ever posted on VN.
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It's likely you wouldn't have the first clue, but Alan Cockrell was clearly a better QB than Ainge and so was Randy Wallace. It's also doubtful you ever saw either one of those guys play. Cockrell beat Alabama twice. Randy Wallace led the Vols on a last minute drive to win the 1974 Liberty Bowl. Ainge didn't have the mental makeup to take us on a last minute, game winning drive in a critical game. Like Cockrell, Wallace was also a great baseball player.
 
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LurtzVol109 said:
Ok I couldn't read 44 pages of garbage. I usually try to read every page of a thread before I comment so that I'm making as informed a post as I can, but the stuff being spewed here is garbage. A guy plays two bad games with a half-healed thumb, and one game with a 100+ fever and the flu and all of a sudden he is a bad QB who doesn't work hard, doesn't study film, and has academic and drug issues? I guess the entire two years he has been here, where we have heard about him setting up extra 7 on 7 practices over summer, all during camp and the injury process Dooley said he is constantly asking the right questions, always in the film room or weight room outside of practice, trying his best to learn the mental side, the leadership that everyone praised all year, that I personally watched in both the Cincy and GA game, has all gone out the window? The BS that got spewed for the month following the KY loss is ridiculous. As for Ainge, I will respect his opinion, even though I disagree with it. He had all the potential in the world, and Rex Ryan himself said that Ainge could have been a starter for just about any other team in the NFL. The dude can't change the drug issue that ruined his mindset for five years. Is anyone going to talk about our weak a** schedule for next year? How we return more starters than any other team in the SEC, including every single starter (minus Poole) that played offense last year? Naw, we want to bash the few bright spots that were on the team all off season and talk about how we (being the people who have never met these people in our lives) KNOW they have drug and attitude problems, and don't care about the program. Bray has an attitude problem? Really? I've heard more confirmed stories about that guy doing charitable acts than I have about his apparent "drug problems" or "academic problems". The dude doesn't even use his twitter account in comparison to JH and DR, but I've seen him post how he was "excited for workouts" on more than one occasion this past two weeks. DR is always talking about his workouts every single day. But we the people who don't know these guys will just spew garbage about them for months. Ridiculous. I thought we were supposed to be grown men. Guess not.
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I would have to see this in writing, but I am pretty certain it is total BS. A starter on any other team? What :birgits_giggle: ? Mark Sanchez is in the bottom half of QBs in the NFL. Ainge WOULD NOT START FOR ANYONE IN THE NFL and Ryan didn't say it.

LOL...you said you wanted to make an informed post and then post that garbage. :eek:hmy:
 
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Geeze Louise. :banghead2:

Neither quarterback is perfect. Neither quarterback is awful. Neither is a machine that does everything right, every time.

Just because someone says something good about Ainge doesn't mean that s/he hates Bray. Just because someone says something good about Bray means that s/he hates Ainge.

Perspective. Get some.
 
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2ironVol said:
Blind speculation at best and makes no sense. We got hammered at Arkansas, so no, we wouldn't have gone to to a BCS bowl game if we had beaten LSU. Arkansas probably would have.

The only chance Ainge ever had to get us to a BCS game was by winning the 2007 SECCG. Of course, he folded up in typical fashion during the 4th quarter.
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...had we won out as expected/we actually did, we most likely end up (after the game) in around the position LSU was in prior to our Arkansas game...which, with trends going the way they did, puts us around - or just under - the spot lsu was end regular season

...but not really the main point for response

...but more importantly, that latter point in the first paragraph: Arkansas was going to miss out on a BCS at large berth regardless as a result of their sec championship game loss (...really also their late LSU loss; but they were stuck getting the same "at large" snub that 2001 UT, 2007 Missouri, and others, who played championship week games back when most of the other conferences didn't have teams play that weekend, used to receive)
 
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GAVol said:
Complete garbage. What happened was Cutcliffe came back and saw that we weren't going to be able to run the ball so he ditched the FB and effectively turned us into a Run n Shoot offense with the QB taking a bunch of 3 step drops. Ainge was getting the ball out quick by design.
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:yes: pretty much there
 
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2ironVol said:
I would have to see this in writing, but I am pretty certain it is total BS. A starter on any other team? What :birgits_giggle: ? Mark Sanchez is in the bottom half of QBs in the NFL. Ainge WOULD NOT START FOR ANYONE IN THE NFL and Ryan didn't say it.

LOL...you said you wanted to make an informed post and then post that garbage. :eek:hmy:
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During training camp, Ryan showed confidence in his QB rotation and in a small sentence in a Jets practice report on ESPN (ESPN does not keep the practice reports that long, considering they are blogs) Ryan remarked that he liked Ainge and said he has the POTENTIAL (keyword, being as that is what I said) to be a starting quarterback for most teams in the NFL. Sorry I'm not going to go digging through year and a half old articles or whatever to try and find a sentence for you. Good job picking through things to attack man. Sorry my sickened attitude against the constant player bashing offends you.
 
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LurtzVol109 said:
During training camp, Ryan showed confidence in his QB rotation and in a small sentence in a Jets practice report on ESPN (ESPN does not keep the practice reports that long, considering they are blogs) Ryan remarked that he liked Ainge and said he has the POTENTIAL (keyword, being as that is what I said) to be a starting quarterback for most teams in the NFL. Sorry I'm not going to go digging through year and a half old articles or whatever to try and find a sentence for you. Good job picking through things to attack man. Sorry my sickened attitude against the constant player bashing offends you.
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It doesn't offend me as I hate player bashing too. However, when a former mediocre (and drug addicted) player starts calling out our QBs, he needs to be given some perspective. I am sure Ryan made the statement you are claiming now. Before, you stated Ryan said Ainge could have started for any other team in the NFL suggesting that Mark Sanchez is one of the best QBs in the league. FAct is, Ainge was never higher than 3rd string while with the Jets. Of course Ryan is going to build him up and dont' forget the fact that Rex Ryan has the biggest mouth in the NFL and makes predictions he can't back up. So using anything Ryan has said is absurd if you are looking for validation of Ainge's ability as a QB. I saw enough 4th quarter mental meltdowns from the guy to know he didn't have it. Ainge needs to be careful with his language when assessing our current QBs
considering our QB situation is better than it has been since the late 90s.
 
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2ironVol said:
It doesn't offend me as I hate player bashing too. However, when a former mediocre (and drug addicted) player starts calling out our QBs, he needs to be given some perspective. I am sure Ryan made the statement you are claiming now. Before, you stated Ryan said Ainge could have started for any other team in the NFL suggesting that Mark Sanchez is one of the best QBs in the league. FAct is, Ainge was never higher than 3rd string while with the Jets. Of course Ryan is going to build him up and dont' forget the fact that Rex Ryan has the biggest mouth in the NFL and makes predictions he can't back up. So using anything Ryan has said is absurd if you are looking for validation of Ainge's ability as a QB. I saw enough 4th quarter mental meltdowns from the guy to know he didn't have it. Ainge needs to be careful with his language when assessing our current QBs
considering our QB situation is better than it has been since the late 90s.
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What did Ainge say, other than the quarterback position is a question mark? I haven't read the entire statement by Ainge anywhere.
 
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billbattle said:
What did Ainge say, other than the quarterback position is a question mark? I haven't read the entire statement by Ainge anywhere.
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Not a thing. There was nothing Ainge said that wasn't true. QB is a potential question mark. I love Bray but if he doesn't take things more serious, and its just as much the coach's fault, then he will never live up to his potential. He hasn't beaten anyone outside of Cincy. Hopefully he grows up and understands reading defenses and checking his team into the right plays is critical.
 
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2ironVol said:
It's likely you wouldn't have the first clue, but Alan Cockrell was clearly a better QB than Ainge and so was Randy Wallace. It's also doubtful you ever saw either one of those guys play. Cockrell beat Alabama twice. Randy Wallace led the Vols on a last minute drive to win the 1974 Liberty Bowl. Ainge didn't have the mental makeup to take us on a last minute, game winning drive in a critical game. Like Cockrell, Wallace was also a great baseball player.
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It's not likely you don't have the first clue, it's certain. I watched Cockrell play repeatedly and he didn't beat Bama twice, TN did and it was behind the running of Chuck Coleman and Johnnie Jones and a little of Cockrell as well. TN was mostly an option running team against Bama then and most TN fans held their breath when Cockrell put it in the air, I remember the booing for him in Neyland against Auburn being about as loud as I can remember it. It was commonly thought he should have just stuck to baseball which was his best sport by far (All-American in 83' I believe).

I was pretty Young when I watched Wallace play and am admittingly no expert here but I remember VOL fans (my father included) saying we had a QB that couldn't throw it in the ocean and wondering why he was leading us to losses against the likes of North Texas, Duke, Vandy and Kentucky.

And Jerry Colquitt ? (whom I loved by the way, still one the most hearbreaking stories in TN football history) you might as well have thrown Sterling Henton and Randy Sanders in there, it would have made about as much sense.

I'm not the greatest fan of Ainge but I try to keep it real, I saw him lead TN downfield to help beat FL and UGA as a Frosh, so to say he didn't and he couldn't is blatantly false.

This whole thread is a dumpster fire brought on by an op that overreacted to a true statement, whether we as TN fans want or choose to believe it or not, every position on this team until proven otherwise is a question mark . It sucks but that's the simple truth of the matter.
 
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
It's not likely you don't have the first clue, it's certain. I watched Cockrell play repeatedly and he didn't beat Bama twice, TN did and it was behind the running of Chuck Coleman and Johnnie Jones and a little of Cockrell as well. TN was mostly an option running team against Bama then and most TN fans held their breath when Cockrell put it in the air, I remember the booing for him in Neyland against Auburn being about as loud as I can remember it. It was commonly thought he should have just stuck to baseball which was his best sport by far (All-American in 83' I believe).

I was pretty Young when I watched Wallace play and am admittingly no expert here but I remember VOL fans (my father included) saying we had a QB that couldn't throw it in the ocean and wondering why he was leading us to losses against the likes of North Texas, Duke, Vandy and Kentucky.

And Jerry Colquitt ? (whom I loved by the way, still one the most hearbreaking stories in TN football history) you might as well have thrown Sterling Henton and Randy Sanders in there, it would have made about as much sense.

I'm not the greatest fan of Ainge but I try to keep it real, I saw him lead TN downfield to help beat FL and UGA as a Frosh, so to say he didn't and he couldn't is blatantly false.

This whole thread is a dumpster fire brought on by an op that overreacted to a true statement, whether we as TN fans want or choose to believe it or not, every position on this team until proven otherwise is a question mark . It sucks but that's the simple truth of the matter.
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None of that is remotely true. He checked off into the Jones TD in 1984 and I don't ever remember people holding their breath when he passed. In fact, he was a pretty efficient passer and had a great command of the offense. And the offense was still a multiple pro-style that used some option. Concerning the booing, that's a misremberence by you. The game where there was some booing by a few of our dumbarse fans was the Ole Miss game, when he actually almost got hit by a stadium chair tossed at him as he went through the tunnel. IMO, he was much better than Ainge and 1000 times more mentally tough.
 
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So let's get this back to present day. Who will National signing day on Feb1 bring to UT for QB 2012?
Are there any front runners? In state or out of state prospects?
 
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2ironVol said:
It doesn't offend me as I hate player bashing too. However, when a former mediocre (and drug addicted) player starts calling out our QBs, he needs to be given some perspective. I am sure Ryan made the statement you are claiming now. Before, you stated Ryan said Ainge could have started for any other team in the NFL suggesting that Mark Sanchez is one of the best QBs in the league. FAct is, Ainge was never higher than 3rd string while with the Jets. Of course Ryan is going to build him up and dont' forget the fact that Rex Ryan has the biggest mouth in the NFL and makes predictions he can't back up. So using anything Ryan has said is absurd if you are looking for validation of Ainge's ability as a QB. I saw enough 4th quarter mental meltdowns from the guy to know he didn't have it. Ainge needs to be careful with his language when assessing our current QBs
considering our QB situation is better than it has been since the late 90s.
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Woah man, I didn't say ANYTHING about Sanchez. I think he's a sh***y QB. Couple analysts said that on QB ability, Ainge was the best option on the team. Led the Jets to a last minute win over the Eagles at one point. Obviously he was mentally battered from his time with drug abuse, and his body had aged considerably faster than normal because of it. Being that he holds third in many passing categories for team history (behind Clausen and Manning), Ainge was far from mediocre. Dan Marino choked away every chance he had at a ring, doesn't mean he was a mediocre Quarterback. (NOT SAYING THE TWO ARE ANYWHERE NEAR EQUAL) The guy doesn't need to have a perspective readjustment, he went clean and does many charitable events and has turned into one of the better talk show guys out there for Tennessee. But like every one else he has an opinion, and even though I disagree, he was in no way bashing Bray or being disrespectful. Just mentioning the doubts many "sports gurus" have with Bray. I've seen him in person twice, and I follow him on twitter (no homo, I just like staying updated on how the players are doing considering I'll probably be transferring to UTK to finish out my degree) and the rumors about him are just absolutely ridiculous. I wasn't trying to say that Ainge is right, that he was this all time great QB or anything along those lines, but I don't agree that he was mediocre (except that terrible sophomore year). I think he was one of the better QB talents that have been in Knoxville, and because of off the field issues he was never able to live up to his potential, which has been agreed that had he met said potential he could of been a very good NFL QB. He had the tools, but he squandered it. Mark Munoz speaks very highly of him, he works with my dad at Siemens, so dad will call me every now and then and tell me some stories Mark had back from UT. Hope this sort of clarifies some things so that I won't be garbage anymore :good!:
 
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Negateer said:
Ainge just said that. Unreal.

This choke-master pick-throwing superchoker just slammed Bray.

Li'l Erik, I have news for you. Bray is 50 times the QB you were ever were. As a sophomore, he outshines you as a senior. The QB position is one place on our offense that we don't have a question mark.

You might want to stay away from slamming Bray at this point, considering your own shortcomings.
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We went to the sec championships play the nc L S U to the wire, beat a good Georgia team with David Pollard between the hedges, beat 9th rank Cal bears when 35-10th when they was suppose to be in the title hunt, beat what was supposedly a Wisconsin team in the capital one bowl. So I think he has room to talk.
 
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Smokeyvols98 said:
We went to the sec championships play the nc L S U to the wire, beat a good Georgia team with David Pollard between the hedges, beat 9th rank Cal bears when 35-10th when they was suppose to be in the title hunt, beat what was supposedly a Wisconsin team in the capital one bowl. So I think he has room to talk.
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He can talk because of the first amendment. His play doesn't warrant him talking. YOu're simply cherry picking games for which we beat mediocre opponents. Cal finished out of the top 15 that season. His win over Georgia his freshman season was EASILY his most impressive victory.
 
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Negateer said:
If you think Ainge is a better talent than Bray, then your QB evaluation skills are what is ridiculous. Bray will play in the NFL and will win championships.

Ainge couldn't make it on the scout team.
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dude ainge beat good teams his freshman year including bama so once again give us bray record
 
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2ironVol said:
He can talk because of the first amendment. His play doesn't warrant him talking. YOu're simply cherry picking games for which we beat mediocre opponents. Cal finished out of the top 15 that season. His win over Georgia his freshman season was EASILY his most impressive victory.
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well simply cherry pick some of bray games than (good games) and Cal was still rank 9th when we beat them
 
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Cal was trash before and after Tennessee beat them. They were trash the next year when they beat Tennessee, too.
 
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