Ainge playing

#76
#76
Originally posted by ChestBumper@Oct 20, 2005 12:42 AM
Sorry, you're wrong on that one.

Clausen and the Vols will roll Bama
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i dont know about that. clausen had a great half but bama also has a great d and i don't know if clausne's "smarts and heart" will win this one.

we need the skill of ainge imo.
 
#77
#77
Originally posted by ChestBumper@Oct 20, 2005 4:07 PM
You got a guy calling Rick Clausen "CC", and you ask where a comment like "Does anyone here know ANYTHING about UT football other than 67?" came from?

People here are so damn blinded by their own agenda that they can't see facts for what they are. 

Crompton didn't play much in the Army All Star game and guess who did?  The Coach's son, who is ALSO A QB. 

No one seems to realize that Crompton was the number three QB coming out of highschool in the country, and Ainge was in the late teens. 

Ainge did play well last season.....KEY WORD.....LAST!  He hasn't done a damn thing this year, and it's not because of the coaching staff. 

Ainge isn't terrible and saying that he needs to be a career back-up, isn't saying he is.  It's the plain and simple truth. 

The Ainge people may not like someone saying Crompton should be the starter next season, but since they like Ainge so much, does anyone actually think that in 2003 if I would have said, "you know, we don't need to use Rick or CJ to replace Casey, we need to platoon our too freshman QB's next season and see how that helps", how many of those Ainge supporters would have thought that was a GREAT idea.
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Let me make a few comments in regards to your post. First of all, I am not an "Ainge guy" blinded by bias. I think he was arrogant and lazy once the thought he was "da man" and that has played a big part in why we have two losses. If he would have worked his butt off and not had his pompus attitude he would have been the starter the whole way and we would have beat Florida, and possibly Georgia. So, don't label me with an Ainge bias. Secondly, you emphasized the word LAST in your post. Let me emphasize a word that is more portraying than LAST...NEVER. That is the last time Crompton has done anything as a QB on the college level. LAST or NEVER which one was longer ago? And, quit being the poster child for rivals or scout or some other ridiculous scouting rankings. If one player is a five-star and another is a three-star you might have a pretty good argument about their abilities and future success (but, even that is shaky because three stars improve and become gems every year). But, to say that since one kid is the #3 QB in the country and the year before the other kid was a #16 QB that there is some kind of huge difference is ridiculous. How many stars did Pennington have coming out of high school? Pretty sure UTK didn't even look at him. Think he might have turned out to be better than a few QB's "ranked" higher than him? Ainge is just as "physically" gifted as Crompton. That is the bottom line. Regardless of stupid ranking services. So, now it comes down to one guy being in the system for two whole years and showing success at the college level (Ainge) and another whole is only going to have one season in the system and was hurt with a throwing shoulder injury for most of his one season. Its not called bias. Its called common sense.
 
#78
#78
Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 21, 2005 8:26 AM
Clausen is the least talented starting QB in the Southeast.  Sorry CB, but there is no logical reason to be playing Clausen.  All of your headbanging has done some obvious damage.
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LSU game result sounds logical to me. But, maybe you have a problem dealing with logic. I don't know.
 
#79
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the way i see it is that phil is just trying to get our offence moving...

lets finish out undefeated the rest of the way
 
#80
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Originally posted by ChestBumper@Oct 20, 2005 11:03 PM
Have you forgotton the Cotton Bowl?  What about LSU?    :banghead:

You damn people kill me.
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Look, man, it's not like people are calling for Chad Pennington to start over Peyton Manning. Yes, Rick beat a very weak aTm secondary and a poorly-coached LSU team with an average (at best) secondary. No one is taking those wins away from him. But, how many poor performances do you have to endure this year before you realize that our O is just not going to get things going with him at the helm. Have you watched the games this year? Even at his best, he is only a decent short passer, is extremely immobile, and doens't make many mistakes. I agree with the above poster who said that Ainge at least "has potential."

Remember, "not turning the ball over" gets you a grand total of ZERO points. Only TD's and FG's count.
 
#81
#81
Tomorrow will once again prove to be a difficult game for Rick. Believe me, I hope I'm wrong. I would like nothing better than to see Rick hang 50 on bama but it's not going to happen.

Rick played some inspired ball in the second half of the LSU game and will always be remembered for that but I think that's as good as it's gonna get for Rick until Kentucky rolls around. I have always claimed that RC can't hang with the faster, smarter secondaries and LSU didn't have one either.

I hope he proves me wrong tomorrow. I would love to eat some crow, but I just don't think it's going to happen. That doesn't mean that "I don't have faith" or that "I'm a bandwagon fan", I'm just stating the obvious here.
 
#82
#82
The problem is, IF and When Clausen does hang 50 on Bama, he won't get credit for it by some of the goobs in this thread.

It will simply be a "weak Alabama secondary" or "poor coaching on the part of Alabama".

NOTHING he does will ever be good enough for these people.

I'll go on record right now. When Ainge comes in and scores once or twice, these people are going to cream in their jeans and swear up and down that he's back and he needs to play.....blah blah blah.

RICK IS OUR STARTER. GET OVER IT.
 
#83
#83
Originally posted by ChestBumper@Oct 21, 2005 12:23 PM
The problem is, IF and When Clausen does hang 50 on Bama, he won't get credit for it by some of the goobs in this thread.

It will simply be a "weak Alabama secondary" or "poor coaching on the part of Alabama". 

NOTHING he does will ever be good enough for these people. 

I'll go on record right now.  When Ainge comes in and scores once or twice, these people are going to cream in their jeans and swear up and down that he's back and he needs to play.....blah blah blah.

RICK IS OUR STARTER.  GET OVER IT.
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I certainly don't feel like arguing with you Beltway, but if you don't see that Rick is just a mediocre QB, then I don't think it's right for you to call others "goobs".... :birgits_giggle:

 
#85
#85
Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 21, 2005 12:05 PM
But, how many poor performances do you have to endure this year before you realize that our O is just not going to get things going with him at the helm.  Have you watched the games this year?  Even at his best, he is only a decent short passer, is extremely immobile, and doens't make many mistakes.  I agree with the above poster who said that Ainge at least "has potential."
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To be honest with you, I think we would probably be 4-1 right now if Clausen had went the whole way or most of the way against Florida. Clausen earned the starting job in spring per the OC, but Fulmer elected to go with Ainge anyways. If we had stayed with Ainge this season we would probably be 2-3 right now. Thats a big difference.

Nobody is saying Clausen isnt a mediocre qb, but the way Ainge is playing now, I dont see a good reason for playing him. Playing time has to be based on performance. Thats the only way you can coach a team is to play people based on their performance.

Until Clausen plays a half as poorly as Ainge did against LSU he has outperformed Ainge. Clausen played poorly against Ga, but he was very beat up. He has 2 dislocated fingers, bruised thigh, etc its obviously affecting his play some. What is Ainge reason for playing poorly? His head?

As far as Ainge being the future. If Ainge cannot beat Clausen out for the starting job now, when everyone acknowledges Clausen has a mediocre arm, do you really believe he is going to beat out J. Crompton who most likely has a stronger arm then Ainge?? Sorry I just dont see it happening. IMO, Ainge is probably going to be a back-up the rest of his career at UT.
 
#86
#86
rick clausen is a below average qb at best i was at the georgia game he got 175 yards while they were playing prevent defense he has no arm, he can not spread the field. alabama will cheat up man coverage and beg him to throw the ball deep which he can't do. he can't spread the field so we can't run. ainge will be the qb by the second quarter and there will be no looking back. i'm not sold on ainge either, but he is our only chance to win the game. you can't keep throwing the ball 5 yards and expect your recievers to make a big play. hopefully after this saturday we won't have to talk about the greatest story ever lived ( clausen ) and ainge will take the helm and never look back if not we will get killed at bama and finish 6-5 on the season. as bad as it sounds the rest of our season is in ainge's hands.
 
#87
#87
I'll equate this to golf. Lots of people can hit the long ball, but it takes technique, mental tougness, smarts, discipline and about 30 other quailities to actually score and not just end up deeper in the woods.

Ainge has the arm; I hope he gets the mental part and scheme knowlege. Crompton has an arm; I hope he gets the mental part, scheme knowlege and feel for SEC game pace. IMO, Ainge will have a leg... er... arm up on him in those areas to start next season.

Anyone bashing Ainge should take stock of their position. he is a UT QB. he has made some mistakes. Oh, my! We should pray that he returns to form and leads this team. Get a grip and hope for the best for the TEAM, you divisive people!
 
#88
#88
Originally posted by smokedog#3@Oct 21, 2005 1:06 PM
  you can't keep throwing the ball 5 yards and expect your recievers to make a big play. 
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If all we are going to do is hit some 5 yard passes then the special teams need to step up and give us some field position. It MIGHT work if we had the short field more than one time a game.

But the reality is, we don't have the short field. Somewhere on our 80-90 yard drive he's getting the ball to the playmakers but they aren't making plays.

Point is, Ricks kind of game would look a lot better with the short field versus the long.
 
#89
#89
thats a pretty good point orange and whiteblooded. to me though it still only equates to field goals. we need somebody that can throw the ball downfield. you are right about the special teams always having us in a hole. if we could start at the 30 yard line everytime your right clausen could be productive, but it is unrealistic in my opinion.
 
#90
#90
I'm a little confused as to people's argument against Clausen's performance playing Georgia? 300 yars passing against a team that knows he can't throw the deep ball. Hmm! But, people keep saying "Georgia was in prevent" or "Georgia was giving him all those little short passes" ??? If you know the other teams QB can't throw deep, then why wouldn't you do everything you could to jam and take away all that short stuff and make him throw it deep? Georgia knew Clausen couldn't throw deep and yet he still threw for 300 yards. There are too many people on here that take that too lightly. Not to mention, LSU's defense is very, very good. Have you watched any of their other games besides the UT game? Don't take away from Clausen's performance against LSU due to bad defense. Because that is just not the case.
 
#91
#91
Clausen made 2 bad mistakes against GA. The overthrow and the INT. Other than that his performace was great.
 
#92
#92
Originally posted by therickbol@Oct 21, 2005 3:00 PM
I'm a little confused as to people's argument against Clausen's performance playing Georgia? 300 yars passing against a team that knows he can't throw the deep ball. Hmm! But, people keep saying "Georgia was in prevent" or "Georgia was giving him all those little short passes" ??? If you know the other teams QB can't throw deep, then why wouldn't you do everything you could to jam and take away all that short stuff and make him throw it deep? Georgia knew Clausen couldn't throw deep and yet he still threw for 300 yards. There are too many people on here that take that too lightly. Not to mention, LSU's defense is very, very good. Have you watched any of their other games besides the UT game? Don't take away from Clausen's performance against LSU due to bad defense. Because that is just not the case.
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Did you see what ASU did to the Tigers? It is public knowlege that LSU's secondary is the youngest part of their team.

What about short hopping the 15 yard out at Fla, or laying an egg against GA, and not playing well against Ole Miss as well.
Fact is the guy is and ironman, but the reason CPF wanted to play Ainge all along is because it is too darn hard to run the football when the opposing defense only has to cover 50% of the field.
 
#93
#93
exactly when we played LSU they were dead last in passing defense, that is the weakest part of their D. Nobody is taking away what Clausen did against LSU and I think if we didn't have his mental toughness and calmness under pressure we would have def. lost that game. I'm just glad that the f***** game is tomorrow so if Clausen comes out and wins the game (which won't happen) or if Ainge comes in and either proves he is just not ready to be a qb or proves he can be the starter we won't have to talk about this anymore.
 
#94
#94
Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Oct 21, 2005 3:10 PM
exactly when we played LSU they were dead last in passing defense, that is the weakest part of their D. Nobody is taking away what Clausen did against LSU and I think if we didn't have his mental toughness and calmness under pressure we would have def. lost that game. I'm just glad that the f***** game is tommorrow so if Clausen comes out and wins the game (which won't happen) or if Ainge comes in and either proves he is just not ready to be a qb or proves he can be the starter we won't have to talk about this anymore.
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Lets hope Ainge can do it, otherwise we'll be talking about Crompton and Ainge for the entire off season.
 
#97
#97
rickbol the answer to your question is when you are up 28-7 with 7:00 minutes left in the game the only thing you don't want to do is get beat. for the last 2 posessions georgia give us what ever we wanted underneath 5 to 10 yard allowing clausen to pad his stats because the game was over. did you watch the game.
 
#98
#98
Originally posted by therickbol@Oct 21, 2005 4:00 PM
I'm a little confused as to people's argument against Clausen's performance playing Georgia? 300 yars passing against a team that knows he can't throw the deep ball. Hmm! But, people keep saying "Georgia was in prevent" or "Georgia was giving him all those little short passes" ??? If you know the other teams QB can't throw deep, then why wouldn't you do everything you could to jam and take away all that short stuff and make him throw it deep? Georgia knew Clausen couldn't throw deep and yet he still threw for 300 yards. There are too many people on here that take that too lightly. Not to mention, LSU's defense is very, very good. Have you watched any of their other games besides the UT game? Don't take away from Clausen's performance against LSU due to bad defense. Because that is just not the case.
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I see what you're saying, Clausen threw for 300 against UGA. I'm not even going to say that they let him have it through prevent because it doesn't matter. That's not the point.

How many TD's were put up in the UGA game? Did we win? Granted, I know that it's not all Rick's fault. It's a combination of things that need to improve before tomorrows game. However, between our OL not blocking the run and the defense having 8 or 9 guys in the box all the time for lack of a deep threat, I think it hurts us.

Here is what I think is problematic for us when the short passes are concerned........that's all there is. Even when RC throws it on a line, usually the DB is waiting for the ball to get to the WR so he can hit him. The playmaker's aren't able to make those plays that he speaks of. Then we try to turn around and run and everybody is up at the line waiting for that....even when we spread it out. Not to mention there were some open guys down the field in the UGA game and RC either didn't see them or didn't want to try to throw it.

I did notice in the UGA game that Rick was going over the middle a little more and finding some receivers in route. That helps some, but I don't think that it's going to be there as much against Bama, and even if it is, are we going to be able to sustain a drive all the way to the endzone?

I hope RC goes out and sets Bama on fire but I just don't think it's going to happen.
 
#99
#99
I'll just say this once again...Ainge has the talent, we've seen it, albeit not lately. But he does have talent and he could light Bama up, I'm not pro Ainge or con Clausen...or vice -versa..I'm pro Vols. Let's just try and back whoever plays...be it at QB...LG or punter. Does that mean we can't be critical of shoddy execution or poor coaching decisions? I say no...IMO that's at the heart of being a fan, being able to critisize what you consider to be poor judgement or poor execution, but at the same time staying with the boys win or lose...national champs or cellar dweller. And yes I'll try and remember this post when I've had a few brewski's and the Vols are behind. :naughty:
 
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