Ainge Nailed It

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wmcovol said:
I’ve heard Hooker was hurting pretty bad at the end is why they were conservative the last possession. It kinda supports my theory he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off by late 4th Qtr.

I know many here probably think “Oh my beloved Tennessee wouldn’t do that.” Yes they all do. It’s as part of the game as taping ankles.
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That also explains why the keeper to the outside from Hooker was there every snap on those 4 plays but we never even tried. Pretty sure Heup knew Hooker didn’t need to take any hits to that shoulder.
 
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LadyVolette said:
Not likely.. that is not going to stay in one spot lol.it would hit you systematically and they would be f’ed up ... more than likely some good old fashioned cortizone shots to the area is more likely
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I'm not saying it wont mess you up, but 5-10 mg in the arm or by mouth is not that much and definitely not debilitating to the point you can't play.

Jets' Ainge: 'I had to get help before I died'

Here's the article where Ainge said he got it from the team doctor to help with his broken finger.

TIFWIW
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I agree, opiates are a slippery slope. But it happens probably a lot more than we ever know.
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I’m just going with localized lidocaine and cortisone 😂 and gatorade and an ice pack.. that’s all you’d get from me on the sideline 😂 anything more drastic and you don’t need to play lol
 
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Dudleys87 said:
A lot of players are guilty of this. If playing means you take a shot to kill the pain for a couple hours then they do it for the team. Not realizing that just because it doesent hurt doesent mean you aren’t doing more damage.

This doesent excuse coaches either.

I’d be willing to bet that Ainge knows more than he’ll ever go on record saying and could possibly have a lot to do with his post football choices.
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This doesn’t sound like something Heupel would approve. Maybe some of our previous coaches, but Heup seems different to me
 
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Allvols1996 said:
Great point. Yes, the play calling went into clinched cheek mode. I’ve heard of prevent defense. That was prevent offense.
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We don’t have to snap it on 1 everytime either. Once we learn to play better in slow down will be key. You can slow down and still run your offense. You can snap it sometimes with 3-4-5 seconds left and actually try to get the first down.We have to develop killer instinct when in slow down. We can still make plays. I am sure there were reasons for our problems in them last 4 minutes. I think we will improve salting games away as we go. Heupel knows that we must improve on offense and defense. GBO!!!!
 
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knox-townVOL said:
That also explains why the keeper to the outside from Hooker was there every snap on those 4 plays but we never even tried. Pretty sure Heup knew Hooker didn’t need to take any hits to that shoulder.
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Maybe we should have had Milton come in and run a 16 or 17 power. Get a 1st down (don't go out of bounds) and melt the clock. A QB and 4 TE's and here we come like its 1956 and Johnny's in the single wing. We sure looked like we don't practice what we were trying to run on that last possession. False starts, time out to avoid delay of game...maybe our worst possession of the year.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I agree. You could see it in their eyes. They thought the game was over and lost their edge when it mattered most. The whole stadium was celebrating a W with 2 minutes left in the game.
I hope they all learned from that experience.
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There was a rap song by Xzibit call Multiply and a line in that song went "I'll be swinging when the metric come get you" now I said that to say this had 16 out of 17 meant anything we would have still been trying to score when they were geting on the bus and with the way our secondary was playing it would have been justified. Hopefully Heupel and company learned there lesson don't let up.
 
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VolInDayton said:
At the end of the day, players on this team arent use to winning/closing out games.

I get what he's saying, but at the same time party of growing up as a program is learning how to closed out games. Coaching aggressive allows you to beat yourself, but with how we were rolling that wasn't going to happen. Still play smart, but maybe dont dial it back so much all at once.
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A good QB can play both aggressively and safely at the same time. He just knows to throw it away if nothing is there or he is about to be sacked and to simply not force a throw unless the intended receiver is the only one who can catch it. Hooker is the best QB we have EVER had in making smart decisions like this
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No problem with a 4 minute offense as long as you keep calling the plays that are working. They slowed it down AND went into an offensive shell at the same time. That is suicide unless you are under 90 seconds to go
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We got the ball with 4:49 on the clock and a lead that required 2 TDS to beat us. Ran 6 plays for 22 yards and gave them the ball back with 1:11 on the clock and zero timeouts. We would all have loved one more first down and a double digit win but every top coach in the game would’ve handled the clock the same way. Throwing passes risked stopping the clock and giving FL a real chance. It was the right call offensively.
I agree we could’ve played D differently the last 7 minutes and not let them score so quickly. But heupel played the correct percentages on offense. Especially with Hooker banged up.
 
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wmcovol said:
. . . he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off by late 4th Qtr. . . .
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I was taking shots right there with him - especially when my shots started wearing off in the 4th quarter.
 
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LadyVolette said:
VOLfrombama said:
any kind of mild opioid...percs, Vicodin, hydro, maybe Demerol.
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Not likely.. that is not going to stay in one spot lol.it would hit you systematically and they would be f’ed up ... more than likely some good old fashioned cortizone shots to the area is more likely.. maybe lidocaine, which would also not cause sedation
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Agreed, LadyVolette.

I'm certainly no doctor, nurse, or even candy striper (not stripper, McDad, get your mind out of the gutter!), but I'm betting they do NOT use anything that works on the whole nervous system.

I'm thinking whatever that stuff is that dentists shoot into your gums, novocaine or lidocaine or whatever. That stuff is hella powerful at blocking pain signals from a local area without having any effect on the brain or the rest of the body.

EDIT: one note, though, even a local painkiller is risky: by going back into the game, the player opens himself up to being hit in the same spot again. And with all the nervous system messaging shut down there, he could get an even worse injury, one that needs quick attention, and not even be aware of it.
 
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tbones0711 said:
I'm guessing toradol. Kills pain effectively without altering a person mentally.
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Yep. I have a few former NFL players as friends and they joke about that stuff when we’re playing rec b-ball. Had a teammate break his leg and they told him they had some toradol and he would be good to go.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Agreed, LadyVolette.

I'm certainly no doctor, nurse, or even candy striper (not stripper, McDad, get your mind out of the gutter!), but I'm betting they do NOT use anything that works on the whole nervous system.

I'm thinking whatever that stuff is that dentists shoot into your gums, novocaine or lidocaine or whatever. That stuff is hella powerful at blocking pain signals from a local area without having any effect on the brain or the rest of the body.
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I doubt we will ever know the truth about what they're given due to HIPAA.

I do think its a peek inside the medical tent when folks like Ainge proclaim that he and other teammates were getting opiates from team doctors and ESPN got no response from UT when asking for a comment. You would think if it was frowned upon, UT would have disputed it and made a statement as such, especially to an org like ESPN where an article like that will get millions of views.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I doubt we will ever know the truth about what they're given due to HIPAA.

I do think its a peek inside the medical tent when folks like Ainge proclaim that he and other teammates were getting opiates from team doctors and ESPN got no response from UT when asking for a comment. You would think if it was frowned upon, UT would have disputed it and made a statement as such, especially to an org like ESPN where an article like that will get millions of views.
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Yeah.

It's quite possible he was getting one thing (local anesthetic) during games, and a different thing (general pain killers, opioids perhaps) during the week to help with the pain during recovery. He could get addicted during the week just as easily as on Saturdays.
 
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