Ainge and the Senior Bowl

#76
#76
kkep48 said:
Other than Kentucky this season, give me an important game where Ainge really led us to victory?

Georgia: no, running game won that one
South Carolina: no, pure luck
Vandy: no

Wisconsin game he played decent, but nothing spectacular.
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You list S. Carolina and Vanderbilt as important games, but neither made a bowl. Kentucky and Miss State did, and he played well in those games.
 
#78
#78
kkep48 said:
Other than Kentucky this season, give me an important game where Ainge really led us to victory?

Georgia: no, running game won that one
South Carolina: no, pure luck
Vandy: no

Wisconsin game he played decent, but nothing spectacular.
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Be careful, they will argue that we would have lost to Florida, Cal and Bama by greater margins. We probably could depend on Crompton to beat LaLa, Arky St. or USM...
 
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kptvol said:
That was the entire point of the guy's post.
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No it wasn't. He was trying to make the point that all QB's make bad decsions and that you can't judge a QB by just a few plays. Heck, even you just said that a few posts back...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No it wasn't. He was trying to make the point that all QB's make bad decsions and that you can't judge a QB by just a few plays. Heck, even you just said that a few posts back...
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Yes. He also decided to use the most established QB in the league in his example to illustrate the absolute absurdity of that statement. He could have thrown 20 INTs last night and he'd still be a great QB. Ainge played for four years and made some bad tosses against the National Champs. That doesn't make him terrible, either.

I'm pretty sure you are intentionally misinterpreting these posts to stir debate. That's just how you operate, TVA.
 
#83
#83
Rasputin_Vol said:
Great? Don't you think that is a bit strong?
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No. Wisconsin, like every other team we faced last year, figured out what we were doing and made adjustments in the second half. Ainge played well in spite of that. Cutcliffe decided running a QB draw over and over with Gerald Jones was a better option than a guy that just completed 8 straight passes.
 
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VolinArizona said:
You list S. Carolina and Vanderbilt as important games, but neither made a bowl. Kentucky and Miss State did, and he played well in those games.
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Kentucky, he had a good first half and had his stats padded in OT.

Miss St. he was again saved by the running game in the second half...
 
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kptvol said:
Yes. He also decided to use the most established QB in the league in his example to illustrate the absolute absurdity of that statement. He could have thrown 20 INTs last night and he'd still be a great QB. Ainge played for four years and made some bad tosses against the National Champs. That doesn't make him terrible, either.

I'm pretty sure you are intentionally misinterpreting these posts to stir debate. That's just how you operate, TVA.
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Not stirring, just had to highlight how bad of a comparison it was to use Favre in this case.
 
#89
#89
kkep48 said:
Other than Kentucky this season, give me an important game where Ainge really led us to victory?

Georgia: no, running game won that one
South Carolina: no, pure luck
Vandy: no

Wisconsin game he played decent, but nothing spectacular.
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Tell me, oh smart one, how we would have beaten Georgia without a balanced passing attack? Rushing doesn't really work when the other team knows you can't throw. (See: Our D vs Arkansas this year)

His game management was VERY impressive this year. Hardly ANY false starts, delay of game, etc. The only thing I fault Ainge for is throwing it away a little too early, but honestly, that's what prevents dumb mistakes.

As far as the INT's against LSU, the second one was pretty bad. The first wasn't a smart throw, but the WR didn't help him out by coming to the ball. Waiting on a ball to get there, when he could come get it should be something a WR never does.

Fact is, Ainge was the best QB we had and he knew the game, managed the team. He didn't light up the scoreboards, but for a guy playing hurt, he didn't so do bad. You're just slinging mud. If there's nothing to complain about, you will make something up.
 
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#90
No. Wisconsin, like every other team we faced last year, figured out what we were doing and made adjustments in the second half. Ainge played well in spite of that. Cutcliffe decided running a QB draw over and over with Gerald Jones was a better option than a guy that just completed 8 straight passes. yes i wondered what the heck was goin on. i thought we were trying to lose the game. ainge led us down the field,we take him out put jones in and go three and out at the ten and get the field goal blocked.great coaching!
 
#91
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kptvol said:
No. Wisconsin, like every other team we faced last year, figured out what we were doing and made adjustments in the second half. Ainge played well in spite of that. Cutcliffe decided running a QB draw over and over with Gerald Jones was a better option than a guy that just completed 8 straight passes.
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yes great coaching,we had a hot quarteback,who led us down to the ten yard line and we take him out and put jones in.who gets stuffed lose yards,we go three and out and get the kick blocked. i thought we were trying to lose the game. great coaching!
 
#92
#92
Rasputin_Vol said:
Kentucky, he had a good first half and had his stats padded in OT.

Miss St. he was again saved by the running game in the second half...
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It's outrageous to think that a QB is "saved" by the running game. In a balanced offense, they compliment each other. Neither the QB or RB should have to win a game on their own.
 
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#93
walt2007 said:
I say he lights it up and ends up going in the first round of the draft.
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are you crazy? I'm not negative about ANY Tennessee player, but Ainge will not go in the 1st round of the draft. I hope you don't bet on sporting events regularly.
 
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Mullet said:
are you crazy? I'm not negative about ANY Tennessee player, but Ainge will not go in the 1st round of the draft. I hope you don't bet on sporting events regularly.
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I try not to be negative too, but no way he goes first round. Illl tell ya what, if he does "light it up" and ends up going first round, Im gonna be like WTF!?! He sure didnt "light it up" through the 12 games he played in this year.
 
#95
#95
1allvol said:
I try not to be negative too, but no way he goes first round. Illl tell ya what, if he does "light it up" and ends up going first round, Im gonna be like WTF!?! He sure didnt "light it up" through the 12 games he played in this year.
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I agree with your 1st round miff, but to hold it against him (or at least his potential) that he didn't "light it up" this season is not fair to him based on his injuries (a valid point of contention) and personnel (not exactly the level of talent he'll be working out with at the Combine)
 
#96
#96
mark this down. he might do better than you guys think,he has a good arm,accurateand was coached by cutcliff. look at the manning boys, you dont think the scouts dont take notice to that. im sure the scoutshave been in touch with cutcliff,he will have a good combine.and come out of no where and might suprise you all.
 
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#97
exerpt from a rivals.com staff member blogging from Senior Bowl practice:

"Erik Ainge struggled in the 11-on-11. His throws aren't very crisp. His down the field throws in particular are a little wobbly and have ended up floating a bit."
 
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#98
Additionally, no one compared Brett to Erik. Favre was only brought up to illustrate that you can not summarize a QB by looking at two throws.
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Yet someone made the assessment that Crompton threw more INT's than TD's. I'd like to know the stats on how many throws he actually had this year. You can't expect a qb to go in for clean up duty (something he got very little of this year in the first place), playing with second and third team OL and WR's and be as productive as the first team qb and players. So, I say, you're right KTPVOL, you can't summarize a qb by looking at two throws.
 
#99
#99
As I have posted before Ainge reminds me a lot of Trent Green during his career at Indiana. Green even took the same kind of criticism from the few fans there were that Ainge seems to engender here.

But nfl people saw potential if given the right circumstances, and Green has had a very decent nfl career (may return next season).

I don't see Ainge as first round, possibly second, more likely third, but I bet he hangs around the league for a while and if given the opportunity aka Green he may be a viable nfl QB. He has the size, the UT background helps him, athletic bloodlines, and is intelligent and 0 character issues...all things nfl folks value.

I wish him the very best and don't expect his name to be found in the court records or on espn for dogfighting and fathering 14 children out of wedlock.
 
#100
#100
[/B]Wow after reading this I cannot believe Crompton did not get more playing time this season.

Erik Ainge, QB, Tennessee: Another disappointing day for Ainge, lacking any real arm strength and having the ball come out of his hand poorly. Multiple throws looked like ducks when trying to go over 10-15 yards. Marcus Griffin got a lollipop pick on one such throw down the sideline.


Erik Ainge, Tennessee

What I Liked: His size and arm strength were evident all week. When he was able to set up well and was patient, Ainge got the ball to his receivers with timing and accuracy. Dropbacks were something he was working on all week.


Erik Ainge was playing catch-up after filling in for Brian Brohm. ( Harry How / Getty Images)

"That's something he (49ers offensive coordinator Mike Martz) was working on with me," Ainge said. "That's why we got to practice early, to work on it."

Martz's timing-based passing game requires passers to be accurate with their footwork and to make precise movements.

His delivery and form were solid at times. He also got off the ball rather, quickly so he didn't get a lot passes deflected or batted down like some of the other quarterbacks.

What Needs Improvement: Keep in mind that Ainge was a late replacement for QB Brian Brohm (ankle), who was injured during his final regular-season game against Rutgers. The belief is Brohm was concerned about suffering a setback, but he's getting closer to 100 percent.

Ainge didn't have the benefit from being in early meetings, so he was behind the other two South squad quarterbacks in understanding the offensive scheme. The biggest problem for Ainge was accuracy. He threw too many passes high or wide of receivers. He also lacked some touch on intermediate passes. On some of his longer throws, Ainge broke down his mechanics, which caused him to lose some strength or torque — a problem Henne had as well.

He also struggled setting up in the pocket, and his lack of consistent footwork caused his passes to be inaccurate. What he needed to do is settle down. It appeared he was trying to make up for lost time all week.
Projection: Mid to late 3rd round
 
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