After watching Oregon...

#27
#27
somewhere somebody did a statistical analysis about going for it on fourth down... conclusion was that coaches were too conservative and should try it more often... that being said.. down by eight oregon should have took the three points on that goal line stand
 
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#28
#28
Happy for the SEC, but I was pullin for Oregon. Those gutsy calls lost the the game. Twice in the RZ and walked away with nothing and lose the NC by 3.. What about that last run that could have been down? wow! LUCK O' THE BARN
 
#30
#30
nevermind the trick plays but I think the no huddle offense does more to wear out the defense over course of the game. I would like to see us use that. Chaney would never go for that though.
 
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SmokeyHound said:
I've wondered why tennessee doesnt ever do many trick plays or go for it on fourth downs much? We didnt ever do it under Fulmer, not really under Kiffin, and I dont remember any trick plays with Dooley, but a few fourth down conversions. IMO, these are what wins games.
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:no:
 
#32
#32
Kelly doesn't get cute like an idiot and guys for FGs in this game and he might have won.
 
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SmokeyHound said:
I've wondered why tennessee doesnt ever do many trick plays or go for it on fourth downs much? We didnt ever do it under Fulmer, not really under Kiffin, and I dont remember any trick plays with Dooley, but a few fourth down conversions. IMO, these are what wins games.
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It don't work as well in the SEC. Oregon gambled and went for it on fourth and goal and didn't make it. They lost by 3 points!
 
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#34
duckman398686 said:
good coaching and execution will take you anywhere.

trick plays and gimmicks aren't everything. oregon losing right now should tell you that much.
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No, but it's something additional for opposing teams to think about, plan for, and waste practice time on.

There's a local high school team that's notorious for doing this kind of crap, and it was always a pain in the ass to gameplan for them because there'd have to be contingencies for all sorts of stupid crap. We'd have to waste practice time against a seven-man line with six of them split out wide or garbage like that. They also only beat us once in a six-year series.

armchair said:
I'm happy to say that Dooley was less conservative than I thought he would be. Fulmer was a joke: He'd have a fourth and 1 against a bad defense, with a 14 point lead, and kick a fg. NEVER gambled until late in his career. Spurrier would gamble a lot, and win a lot of his gambles against UT, and he totally freaked out Fulmer. It's hard, almost impossible, to be conservative in orientation and beat a good spread team--you gotta play almost perfect.
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You mean...turn a two-possession game into a three-possession game?

StoVol said:
somewhere somebody did a statistical analysis about going for it on fourth down... conclusion was that coaches were too conservative and should try it more often... that being said.. down by eight oregon should have took the three points on that goal line stand
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It's very true, and I'm a big proponent of real four-down football. To make up for that, I'm also a proponent of well-timed punts on second or third down.

A big issue that coaches in football face more so than in any other sport is the constant armchair coaching from people who know nothing about the game. The most criticism a baseball manager is going to take is going to be related to handling the bullpen, but a football coach is second-guessed on every single play.

The following scenario is a common one. You're down three points with 4:00 to go; you have possession with a 4th-and-2 from the opposing team's 5-yard-line. What's the correct call? I say going for it, but an awful lot of people disagree with that. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of, even if we don't convert, the opposing team is looking at needing to get a first down or two in a situation where they practically have to run the ball. If we don't convert, I'm banking on a three-and-out and excellent field position, with the outside possibility of needing a long field goal to tie it up.

I'll defend Oregon for going for it from in close the way that they did. They either get the touchdown or stand a great chance at getting a safety (and the ball).
 
#35
#35
Oregon's gameplan is great for their style of football and works 9x out of 10 for them , but when you are outmanned as they were, you are just out manned. Auburn was just too physical up front.
 
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#37
In the Miami game in the Orange Bowl, we ran a reverse. Tinsley scored on the last play of the half. That ended up being the difference in that game. I think Cut called that play, maybe Sanders.
 
#42
#42
This is just me, but I don't like the trick plays. I like smash mouth football. We are going to line up and run it down your throats and you can't stop us. Oh and btw we can throw it too. type ball.
 
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#43
TrueOrange said:
we also ran those WR end around, deep passes for TDs with Lucas Taylor to LaMarcus Coker against UF (06) and UGA (07)
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Let's not forget the Von Reeves end around bomb to Alvin Harpeer against Florida. Yes, it is sad that I'm having to go back 20 years to remember trick plays.

The simple act of misdirection would add something exciting. Trick plays can end up failing miserably, but counters and misdirections would make things more fun.
 
#44
#44
I agree with you on the misdirection. I'm not big on the gimmick stuff but thought Oregon did a great job with the misdirection. Half the time the camera man was fooled and wasn't on the ball carrier. I would definetely like to see Tennessee integrate some of that into the playbook.
 
#45
#45
Bc tn and most of the sec believe in a stupid thing called "tradition". I like oregon. They believe in today and not yesterday! Can you imagine the 50 and older alumni would say if we had 2 or 3 different helmets? I mean they acted as if it was the end of days when we had black uni's last year. I swear they live in a closet.
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jbeard82 said:
Bc tn and most of the sec believe in a stupid thing called "tradition". I like oregon. They believe in today and not yesterday! Can you imagine the 50 and older alumni would say if we had 2 or 3 different helmets? I mean they acted as if it was the end of days when we had black uni's last year. I swear they live in a closet.
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Really?
 
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SmokeyHound said:
I've wondered why tennessee doesnt ever do many trick plays or go for it on fourth downs much? We didnt ever do it under Fulmer, not really under Kiffin, and I dont remember any trick plays with Dooley, but a few fourth down conversions. IMO, these are what wins games.
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NO. Good sound fundamental football wins football games... I dont recall anywhere in the maxims where it states trick plays will win the game.
 
#49
#49
Teams like Oregon have to be tricky, because they dont have the size to compete with top flight teams. It clearly works against the majority of the pansy azz teams they play, but last night they got way too cute, and ran into a brick wall.
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#50
#50
Rudy123 said:
In the Miami game in the Orange Bowl, we ran a reverse. Tinsley scored on the last play of the half. That ended up being the difference in that game. I think Cut called that play, maybe Sanders.
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Cutcliffe was coaching Ole Miss when that happened.
 
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