After E3 one guys thought on the Big 3

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#27
:lolabove:


It's a good discussion piece, paper weight, or even a door stop. But right now Blu-Ray dvd player.
 
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milohimself said:
And it'll still be that when Blu-Ray wins the format war.
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I'm not worried about Blu-Ray winning. Matter of a fact we are fixing to invest in a BR player. When BR wins the 360 is not built around a HD DVD drive like the PS3 is BR.

My whole point was that BR is the main thing that is making the PS3 sale right now especially after the desperation price drop.
 
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... Which will put a lot of PS3's in people's houses. For them to buy games later.

This is how it almost always goes at work: "Well, here's a Blu-Ray player. Or for the same price, you could get a Blu-Ray player that plays video games." Of course the customer always says yes. Then, after a while, maybe a month, maybe sometime next year "We got a PS3, right? Why not get games for it?"
 
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Just kind of weird to think about. Sony could keep their head above water on this endeavor with a video game console, because of movie studios signing on to their format.
 
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I don't see how you can say that Blu-Ray is going to win the format war... I don't see anything that can back that up. I think we're going to be stuck with two high def disc formats for a long time. It will be similar to the differences between DVD-R and DVD+R. Players and burners will be supporting both.
 
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PS3 will have a lot of 80 yr old gamers who decided to save money on their Blu-Ray player.
 
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rwemyss said:
I don't see how you can say that Blu-Ray is going to win the format war... I don't see anything that can back that up. I think we're going to be stuck with two high def disc formats for a long time. It will be similar to the differences between DVD-R and DVD+R. Players and burners will be supporting both.
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For one, it's a better technology. Blu-Ray has 60% more capacity.

Secondly, Blu-Ray has far more studio support than HD DVD. Sony, Columbia, MGM, 20th Century Fox, Buena Vista, Walt Disney, Pixar and Lionsgate are all exclusive to Blu-Ray releases. Conversely, Universal and Weinstein are the only companies exclusive to HD DVD. Warner Bros., New Line, HBO, Paramount and Dreamworks are the neutral parties. Although Paramount and Dreamworks have shown more partiality towards Blu-Ray than HD DVD, while Warner, New Line and HBO have shown more partiality towards HD DVD. Time Warner put the kaibosh on that, though, basically telling Warner and its subsidiary companies that their business is selling movies, not technology, and that all releases must be done equally on both formats. Warner is going to be releasing future movies on a disc that is readable by both HD DVD and Blu-Ray lenses.

Of the top 25 highest-grossing movies of 2006, here's how it breaks down in terms of availability on which format:
  • The top 5 highest earners are exclusively available on Blu-Ray.
  • 8 of the top 10 are exclusively available on Blu-Ray.
  • Of the top 25 highest earners of '06, Blu-Ray has 19 available, 13 of which are exclusive.
  • Of the top 25 highest earners of '06, HD DVD has 8 available, 2 of which are exclusive.
IMO movies are gonna make or break this technology, and Sony is absolutely destroying Toshiba at the moment with almost 70% of the market share.

With Blu-Ray players still costing at least $500, this is going to put a lot of PS3's in a lot of houses.
 
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Come on Milo, saying the PS3 is going to boost BD sales is reaching (at best). People with zero interest in gaming will never buy it for a player (and that's most of the market). They do have the advantage of the studios but only a marginal edge in units sold. Samsung also has the #1 ranked DVD player (it's an HD-DVD player).

While I do not have either, it's hard to say one is on the way out. The first format that has a sub $150 stand-alone player wins the battle.
 
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The #1 selling player is HDDVD because Blu-Ray has so many more models. I sell these all day... This is how I say it: "You can get this Blu-Ray player for $500... Or you can get a PS3 which will play Blu-Ray discs and video games for $500." 95% of everybody goes for the PS3. Even if they don't play games, or don't have kids, they figure they will get kids in their house at some point in time and are 100% okay with having a video game system as a DVD player.

It's not player pricing. It's the fact that Blu-Ray has far stronger support from movie studios than HDDVD. As I said in another thread, one of two things will happen: Either Blu-Ray wins out, or a lens being developed that can read either disc will.
 
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milohimself said:
The #1 selling player is HDDVD because Blu-Ray has so many more models. I sell these all day... This is how I say it: "You can get this Blu-Ray player for $500... Or you can get a PS3 which will play Blu-Ray discs and video games for $500." 95% of everybody goes for the PS3. Even if they don't play games, or don't have kids, they figure they will get kids in their house at some point in time and are 100% okay with having a video game system as a DVD player.

It's not player pricing. It's the fact that Blu-Ray has far stronger support from movie studios than HDDVD. As I said in another thread, one of two things will happen: Either Blu-Ray wins out, or a lens being developed that can read either disc will.
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Which one is most likely to survive a tebowing, Blue ray or hi def?
 
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milohimself said:
The #1 selling player is HDDVD because Blu-Ray has so many more models. I sell these all day... This is how I say it: "You can get this Blu-Ray player for $500... Or you can get a PS3 which will play Blu-Ray discs and video games for $500." 95% of everybody goes for the PS3. Even if they don't play games, or don't have kids, they figure they will get kids in their house at some point in time and are 100% okay with having a video game system as a DVD player.

It's not player pricing. It's the fact that Blu-Ray has far stronger support from movie studios than HDDVD. As I said in another thread, one of two things will happen: Either Blu-Ray wins out, or a lens being developed that can read either disc will.
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You can say that all day but PS3 sales are very low compared to all the other systems. 1 sales floor at a store is hardly enough to claim a trend. The players are there and more movies are offered so why is HD DVD still standing? HD DVD is more than holding its own with stand alone sales and 360 addons. Their deployment vs sales is very weak for Blu.

The fact is a $500 DVD player that may end up like a Betamax is not a smart buy right now. I still say the first to hit the low price point is the winner (esp when it's avail @ Walmart)
 
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Blu-ray v. HD DVD: Where do we stand? | Tech news blog - CNET News.com
The Utility Belt: Blu-ray sales trouncing HD DVD at Amazon
» Blu-ray vs HD DVD: game over | Storage Bits | ZDNet.com
Thieves choose Blu-ray over HD DVD in mass disc heist - Engadget HD

And seriously dude... Betamax comparisons? It's going to be interesting to see which way this whole thing goes. But Blu-Ray is doing fine. It's got the backing of way more movie studios, Blockbuster, etc. Got more of the market share. It's featured more prominently in places like Target and Best Buy. I don't see HD DVD backing down though, especially with Universals president pimping HD over BRD the other day.

But you know Sony is going to stick by their own format through anything. The only difference is that this time, it's going to be inclusive of movie titles. Sony owns Columbia and MGM, so it is likely that movies from that studio will never be printed on an HD DVD. It also has the most-likely unwavering support of Disney, because of Sony's stance that porn will never be released on BRD. As you all know, Universal is the only major that supports HD. And even then, it's not inconcievable that NBC could break ties with Toshiba.

The "format war" is going to be won by the movie studios. By the fact that most of you make fun of it, I take it you're all familiar with Sony's hard-headedness. Well, this time around, it's carrying the bigger guns.
 
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