Advanced Metrics Nonsense

#552
#552
He played well. 5 turnovers is too many, but he was jacking around a bit toward the end with half-court alley oops and stuff.
 
#553
#553
865dude said:
"he always gives you 14 good minutes, but if you play him 40 minutes, he'll still give you 14 good minutes and the other 26 will be atrocious" Bill Simmons
This happens to most unheard of bench Warmers that get more playing time.
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Who are you talking about?

A lot of guys can't play 40 good minutes, especially bigs. Starters or not. Now if we're talking about going from 14 minutes to 25 minutes, I'll take that bet. You'll likely get 25 good minutes. The only way Bill's argument makes sense is if the guy is so physically unfit that he hits a wall at 14 minutes, and can't give any more effort.
 
#554
#554
n_huffhines said:
Who are you talking about?

A lot of guys can't play 40 good minutes, especially bigs. Starters or not. Now if we're talking about going from 14 minutes to 25 minutes, I'll take that bet. You'll likely get 25 good minutes. The only way Bill's argument makes sense is if the guy is so physically unfit that he hits a wall at 14 minutes, and can't give any more effort.
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Or he's a 35 year old rookie.
 
#555
#555
So are they talking about Prigioni or is that a quip? Whether he plays 15 minutes or 30, he's played well. Just cause he's had a few bad playoff games doesn't make Simmons' thesis correct (and he hasn't played even 30 minutes in a playoff game yet, so maybe this isn't what 865dude, and Simmons are talking about). In games where Pablo got 25+ minutos:

7 ppg* shooting a TS% of .631, 6.2 assists, 1.6 steals, and only 1.8 turnovers.

I'll take a PG with a 3:1 assist to turnover any day, not to mention he's a pretty good thief.

* keep in mind he still wasn't getting starter's minutes in these games...he only had 4 games all season with 30+ minutes.
 
#556
#556
n_huffhines said:
So are they talking about Prigioni or is that a quip? Whether he plays 15 minutes or 30, he's played well. Just cause he's had a few bad playoff games doesn't make Simmons' thesis correct (and he hasn't played even 30 minutes in a playoff game yet, so maybe this isn't what 865dude, and Simmons are talking about). In games where Pablo got 25+ minutos:

7 ppg* shooting a TS% of .631, 6.2 assists, 1.6 steals, and only 1.8 turnovers.

I'll take a PG with a 3:1 assist to turnover any day, not to mention he's a pretty good thief.

* keep in mind he still wasn't getting starter's minutes in these games...he only had 4 games all season with 30+ minutes.
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I was just assuming it was about him. He's an atrocious defender who can only score when it's a spot up three.

He'd be fine as a guy who gets spot minutes but to rely on him more than that spells trouble.
 
#557
#557
I disagree. Dishing out dimes like that, while rarely making mistakes means he's doing a lot more good than harm IMO. I don't consider him an atrocious defender. He's one of the Knicks better defensive perimeter players, so I don't think that's a reason to sit him.
 
#558
#558
n_huffhines said:
I disagree. Dishing out dimes like that, while rarely making mistakes means he's doing a lot more good than harm IMO. I don't consider him an atrocious defender. He's one of the Knicks better defensive perimeter players, so I don't think that's a reason to sit him.
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His turnover rate is so low because he isn't a primary ball-handler. That's left up to Felton.
 
#559
#559
GahLee said:
His turnover rate is so low because he isn't a primary ball-handler. That's left up to Felton.
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I agree he has the ball in his hands less, but that makes his assist #s all the more impressive. Off guards usually have 1.5:1 ratios, PGs usually around 2:1, and Prigioni is almost 3:1.
 
#560
#560
The 1st team is comprised of the 5 highest scoring rookies in the league, and the 2nd team has the 6, 7, 8, 12, and 13th highest scorers. For a sport where the majority of its fans like to claim that “scoring isn’t everything” or “defense wins championships,” they certainly forget those sayings when it comes to discussing the game’s best players.
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The All-Scoring Rookie teams?
 
#561
#561
Good to know the odds:

if one team is good enough to warrant beating another in 55% of its games, the weaker team will nevertheless win a 7-game series about 4 times out of 10. And if the superior team could beat its opponent, on average, 2 out of 3 times they meet, the inferior team will still win a 7-game series about once every 5 match-ups.
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The Playoffs are for fun, not science
 
#565
#565
“Scorers” are always defined as players who accumulate a large number of points. But there is more than one way that a player can score a large number of points:

1- Take an average amount of shots, but be efficient in converting those shots into points (the James Harden method).
2- Take a lot of shots and be efficient in converting those shots into points (the LeBron James or Kevin Durant method).
3- Take a lot of shots, shooting efficiency be damned (the Carmelo Anthony method).

Only the first two methods lead to more wins. A player who follows the third method isn’t really helping, since those extra shots are just taken from his teammates.

Michael Jordan was one of the most productive players ever. He won six championships with the Chicago Bulls, as well as countless awards, including NBA MVP (5 times), All-NBA 1st team (10 times), All-Star appearances (14 times), and a Defensive Player of the Year award. But he has failed miserably as an executive and owner. In three and half seasons directing personnel decisions for the Washington Wizards (including two as a player), the Wizards went 110-178. After retiring as a player for the third time, Jordan was fired from his executive position. In March of 2010, Jordan became the majority owner of the Charlotte Bobcats. In three seasons, Jordan’s teams have gone 62-168 and set the record for the worst single-season winning percentage in NBA history. Say what you will about Isiah Thomas, but at least he had a discernible strategy (the strategy didn’t work, but we knew what he was trying to accomplish).

Carmelo Anthony is “like Mike” in that he doesn’t understand why teams win and lose (although it should be noted that Melo is very unlike Mike on the court). Oddly enough, Melo only has to look to his own career to figure this out, because it was not too long ago that he was on the same team as another “scorer”. For two whole seasons, Melo shared the court with Allen Iverson (an inefficient scorer) when they were both in Denver. With two “scorers” on the roster, many people thought the Nuggets were title contenders. But Denver never came close to contending for a title while Melo and Iverson took turns taking shots; in fact, Denver lost in the first round in each of those two seasons, and then made the Western Conference Finals after Iverson was traded away for Chauncey Billups (an efficient “role player”).
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One way Carmelo Anthony is like Michael Jordan
 
#570
#570
Kidd was terrible in the playoffs and great in the regular season. One of many reasons why they crashed and burned.
 
#572
#572
Fourth? Third?

Magic
O?
Stockton
Kidd
Isaiah

Idk how to account for older dudes.

Was gonna say "one of the best ever" retires and figured somebody would flip out.
 
#573
#573
I just skip over pre-merger players. I don't think there is valid way to compare them since the talent pool was so much thinner 50 years ago. I have him at #3, as well.
 
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