Absolutely Horrible Game Management with 1:24 Left

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EastTNVol6240 said:
No one has forgotten. How long are you going to measure our success as compared to the butch/dooley/pruitt years? You should evaluate your standards. I benchmark the team that UT should be and has been. Not the dumpster fire. Continue to use our worst years as your measuring stick if it makes you feel like we are on fire.
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Huepel is the 8th winningiest coach in the country and our "benchmark" is that; At Tennessee only Neyland and Fulmer (by a small %) has had a better record
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
This is always a lame response. There is no guarantee with any hire. You take a chance at getting a better coach or you don’t. You can’t tell the future.

Ga had a heupel some years ago. His name was richt. He’d win you 8-10 a year but could never when the big ones when it mattered. Sound familiar? They took a chance. Does Kirby ring a bell?
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Well, you know what? I’m damn glad to win 9/10 games a year. I watched 13 seasons of Tennessee being the laughingstock of the SEC, if not the nation, for the most part. And Georgia kept Richt for 15 seasons before they gave him the axe. If I was in the AD, I’m willing to give Heupel the same if he keeps cranking out 9/10 win seasons, if only to repair our still-marred reputation in CFB. A lot of people in CFB still don’t respect our program and who could blame them? It sucks not winning all of the big games, but we’ve won a decent amount of them, too. If Heupel starts going 7-5/6-6, that’s another discussion.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Once again, it all depends on what you consider “excellent”. Maybe you’d be happy for the next 20 years winning 8-10 a year but never coming close to another SEC championship, not to even mention a natty. That’s where we’re at. It’s easy to throw numbers out there that don’t really paint the true picture.

Cheer these numbers all you’d like but I’m not going to use those numbers as my “excellent” standard because I know they’re just that. Numbers. If me not being content with never winning another SEC title or natty makes me an “ignorant” fan, I’ll happily wear that label.

I can live with my high standards being “ignorant”. You keep living with your low standards being “excellent”.
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LMAO "never coming close to another SEC championship or natty"

in year 2, Heupel would have had us in the SEC title game and the playoffs under the current format,
in year 4, he did have us in the hunt for the SEC and in the playoff, and we are likely going back this season.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Huepel is the 8th winningiest coach in the country and our "benchmark" is that; At Tennessee only Neyland and Fulmer (by a small %) has had a better record
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And I think he will continue to do just that. Win 8-10 a year which will keep him in that realm. And I guess those numbers make people feel warm and fuzzy.

To me, those numbers don’t mean a ton year in and year out if we can’t occasionally at least be competing for a SEC title. Maybe even occasionally on the world stage competing nationally?
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Well, you know what? I’m damn glad to win 9/10 games a year. I watched 13 seasons of Tennessee being the laughingstock of the SEC, if not the nation, for the most part. And Georgia kept Richt for 15 seasons before they gave him the axe. If I was in the AD, I’m willing to give Heupel the same if he keeps cranking out 9/10 win seasons, if only to repair our still-marred reputation in CFB. A lot of people in CFB still don’t respect our program and who could blame them? It sucks not winning all of the big games, but we’ve won a decent amount of them, too. If Heupel starts going 7-5/6-6, that’s another discussion.
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Nothing wrong with that outlook and I respect you for putting it like that instead of a hateful, attacking way just for differing opinions.

Trust me, I remember the dumpster fire. Heup has brought us back to relevance and that’s great. I just don’t know that he’s the one to get us to that next level and that’s what I want to see.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
And I think he will continue to do just that. Win 8-10 a year which will keep him in that realm. And I guess those numbers make people feel warm and fuzzy.

To me, those numbers don’t mean a ton year in and year out if we can’t occasionally at least be competing for a SEC title. Maybe even occasionally on the world stage competing nationally?
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Hey genius, 10 wins IS competing for the SEC and national titles these days.

This is his 5th season and 2 of the 4 he has done this, and is looking to do it this season as well.

2021 he took a truly average team and was three bad ref calls (Pitt, Ole Miss, Purdue) from being there too.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Ahhh yes Bernard I can always count on you to tell me how my opinions are lesser than other opinions. Let me tell you about my opinions as related to the last 5 years. They are more informed and hold more truth than your opinions. You just don’t like them and that’s fine.

We haven’t came close to a SEC title, so let’s not even talk about a championship. So until coach becomes next level, and I hope he does but I don’t think it’s in him, my opinions lie closer to the facts than yours. So it really just sounds like you are very much entitled when it comes to your and your “high level coaching” buddies opinions but ignoring facts.
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You claiming you have higher standards, and at the same time calling everyone a loser who disagrees with your opinions, reflects the entitled fan syndrome. Constantly moving the goalposts in an effort to back up your opinions solidifies it even more. We were in the freaking playoffs just lay season for goodness sakes. Couple that with a top 5 finish in year 2 of the Heupel tenure diminishes your shallow opinions
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Hey genius, 10 wins IS competing for the SEC and national titles these days.

This is his 5th season and 2 of the 4 he has done this, and is looking to do it this season as well.

2021 he took a truly average team and was three bad ref calls (Pitt, Ole Miss, Purdue) from being there too.
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It sure isn’t. Tell yourself that if you’d like. Who you beat matters. Not just the numbers. We haven’t sniffed a sec title or natty. Those are the facts. Being av12-15 team in the playoffs is worlds away from being a 1-4. Last season verified that. If anything it showed us 12 spots is to many.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Nothing wrong with that outlook and I respect you for putting it like that instead of a hateful, attacking way just for differing opinions.

Trust me, I remember the dumpster fire. Heup has brought us back to relevance and that’s great. I just don’t know that he’s the one to get us to that next level and that’s what I want to see.
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He is in year 5 of successful consecutive seasons. You made statements about looking to replace the man who turned the program around and is just now getting a chance to showcase his players. He found a QB that is working well in his system when people said we were screwed when Nico left. That's why your opinions were attacked. I don't want to see us hire a flashy name like Billy Napier and put us back into a bad situation. Kirby took over a healthy program. UT is just recovering. No matter what we think, UT isn't seen as a perennial power like the Gold Domers that can be 0-2 and stay in the polls. It takes time to build that.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
You claiming you have higher standards, and at the same time calling everyone a loser who disagrees with your opinions, reflects the entitled fan syndrome. Constantly moving the goalposts in an effort to back up your opinions solidifies it even more. We were in the freaking playoffs just lay season for goodness sakes. Couple that with a top 5 finish in year 2 of the Heupel tenure diminishes your shallow opinions
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I don’t think anyone’s a loser over a silly view on a coach. It’s actually quite humorous that you get attacked here for an opinion like mine of Heupel. Like it’s your own father or something.

Everyone has different wants/needs/views. Some will be happy for the next 20 years winning 8-10. Some want to win titles. Others are just happy we aren’t in the dumpster fire with Dooley and Pruitt anymore. None of them are wrong. Fandom is different for everyone.

However once again you are wrong. My opinion is actually a fact as of now. We aren’t competing for sec titles or nattys. You ain’t gotta like it but that’s fact.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
It’s not an occasional thing. Every year with consistency Heupel produces a road team that’s ready to play uninspired, unprepared, undisciplined football. As of recent his game management has also been terrible.

I wouldn’t let it get you so worked up Mrs H. Your husband honestly is a good coach. He’s just not a next level coach.
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Once again, do you watch no other teams? Did you miss Nick Saban at USF?

Elite teams, elite coaches, all have poor games on the road. So claiming he can never win at a high level because he has done something that every single coach (even the most successful of all time) has these issues.

It’s beyond ignorant. Once again I ask:

Have you never watched another team play?
 
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Doesn’t take much guts or insight to bet against Heup winning a title. There’s been a few national powerhouses added to the sec over the years as well, in states with recruiting hotbeds and we haven’t won a natty since before some posters here were born. Not a bad bet.
No coach is mistake free on any level. Heup messed up the last minute for sure.
Blaming a coach for dropped punt, dropped td pass, called back td, 2 dropped catch ints and 4 more drops which changed possession lacks a little awareness of the game. “Heups road woes” while players drop passes is about as emotionally midgety as it gets.
 
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Heupel's Offseason Beard said:
Explain how. We won
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Explain having the ball with so much time and 2 time outs left with a chance to go down and kick for the win in regulation, but you purposely coach to end the game in regulation as a tie and choose on purpose to go to overtime, where it's win or lose. You can't explain that because there's no way to explain that rationally. Anytime you end regulation with timeouts left on the board and there hasn't been a turnover, then you just simply mismanaged your time. It's okay to admit this and it's also okay to just get better at it.

Yes the Vols won which we are happy for and they were extraordinarily fortunate. Two things can be true here. The Vols won the game and the coach/staff displayed horrible clock management. This isn't a one-off, this has happened with Heupel numerous times. Some he has been lucky and overcame and some have bitten him in the rear end. This is something he just needs to mature and get better at as a coach. He expects his staff and his players to get better and he should have the same expectation if not more for himself.

Heupel has a well-known strategy of emphasizing winning the last half of the 2nd quarter and the 1st half of the 3rd quarter. I do like this emphasis and strategy to break the game down into smaller games. He often forgets about the last half of the 4th quarter which oftentimes is the most critical part of the game especially in conference games against either a really good opponent or on the road in general.

His block management at the end of the second quarter has been better than his clock management at the end of the fourth quarter. But, why wouldn't you put as much or more emphasis at the end of the fourth quarter as you do the end of the second quarter? This is just something he needs to adapt and mature in as a coach and not be stubborn about.

He is a very good coach and an excellent football mind, but he does need to grow as a coach in this area. It is a glaring reoccurring issue for everyone to see.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Once again, do you watch no other teams? Did you miss Nick Saban at USF?

Elite teams, elite coaches, all have poor games on the road. So claiming he can never win at a high level because he has done something that every single coach (even the most successful of all time) has these issues.

It’s beyond ignorant. Once again I ask:

Have you never watched another team play?
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I watch plenty of football. Every team has a bad day. You are correct. The problem is Heupel has set a precedent that we have to worry every single time we go play a lesser team on the road. You’re generalization is ignorant since we’re calling names. Elite teams and coaches don’t do it week in and week out.

Great teams and coaches go out and confidently win the games they are supposed to win with confidence. It’s supposed to be the exception, not the rule. Heupel has made it the rule here.
 
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VolJarhead said:
He is in year 5 of successful consecutive seasons. You made statements about looking to replace the man who turned the program around and is just now getting a chance to showcase his players. He found a QB that is working well in his system when people said we were screwed when Nico left. That's why your opinions were attacked. I don't want to see us hire a flashy name like Billy Napier and put us back into a bad situation. Kirby took over a healthy program. UT is just recovering. No matter what we think, UT isn't seen as a perennial power like the Gold Domers that can be 0-2 and stay in the polls. It takes time to build that.
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False. Constructing a narrative to support your attacks I see. I have simply said his game management is awful and I don’t think he’s the guy to take the next step here.
 
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madbamahater said:
Explain having the ball with so much time and 3 time outs left with a chance to go down and kick for the win in regulation, but you purposely coach to end the game in regulation as a tie and choose on purpose to go to overtime, where it's win or lose. You can't explain that because there's no way to explain that rationally.

Yes the Vols won which we are happy for and they were extraordinarily fortunate. Two things can be true here. The Vols won the game and the coach/staff displayed horrible clock management. This isn't a one-off, this has happened with Heupel numerous times. Some he has been lucky and overcame and some have bitten him in the rear end. This is something he just needs to mature and get better at as a coach. He expects his staff and his players to get better and he should have the same expectation if not more for himself.
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Yeah I can actually. There was a minute and thirty seconds left on the clock and Mississippi State had 3 timeouts. We miss on multiple throws/ get intercepted and Mississippi state has a chance to win the game. Heupel had kept Mississippi state's defense on the field for like 45 minutes. They literally only had 4 plays off in the final 8 minutes of the game. He knew they had no chance in over time. Our defense was well rested. It's a risk versus reward thing. Do I think we could have scored during regulation? Yes. Did I KNOW we were going to win when it got to overtime? 100%. Heupel gets in his own head sometimes for sure. But when you're playing in a hostile environment on the road with a bunch of young players who have committed 3 turnovers on your side of the field, you gotta play a little conservative. You give Lebby one last shot, he's pulling out all the stops. In overtime you're guaranteed a shot. And btw we won
 
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Heupel's Offseason Beard said:
Yeah I can actually. There was a minute and thirty seconds left on the clock and Mississippi State had 3 timeouts. We miss on multiple throws/ get intercepted and Mississippi state has a chance to win the game. Heupel had kept Mississippi state's defense on the field for like 45 minutes. They literally only had 4 plays off in the final 8 minutes of the game. He knew they had no chance in over time. Our defense was well rested. It's a risk versus reward thing. Do I think we could have scored during regulation? Yes. Did I KNOW we were going to win when it got to overtime? 100%. Heupel gets in his own head sometimes for sure. But when you're playing in a hostile environment on the road with a bunch of young players who have committed 3 turnovers on your side of the field, you gotta play a little conservative. You give Lebby one last shot, he's pulling out all the stops. In overtime you're guaranteed a shot. And btw we won
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But you're defending his decision and acting like if you were the coach you would do the same thing. He's not even necessarily defending his decision because he's admitted that a timeout was probably the right thing to do. So he's halfway admitting he would have handled it differently.

He did not know that Mississippi State wasn't going to win in overtime because you're basically saying that he did know Mississippi state was going to win at the end of regulation. It was poor time management plain and simple.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
False. Constructing a narrative to support your attacks I see. I have simply said his game management is awful and I don’t think he’s the guy to take the next step here.
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I believe he can take Tennessee to the next step but I also believe he just has to get better at some things as a coach. Why is it a crime to say this? We should just never expect him to grow and get better as a coach? Just always stay the same or get worse that's even more acceptable?
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
It’s not an occasional thing. Every year with consistency Heupel produces a road team that’s ready to play uninspired, unprepared, undisciplined football. As of recent his game management has also been terrible.

I wouldn’t let it get you so worked up Mrs H. Your husband honestly is a good coach. He’s just not a next level coach.
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Once again, do you watch no other teams? Did you miss Nick Saban at USF?

Elite teams, elite coaches, all have poor games on the road. So claiming he can never win at a high level because he has done something that every single coach (even the most successful of all time) has these issues.

It’s beyond ignorant. Once again I ask:

Have you never watched another team play?
 
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