About the zero sacks

#151
#151
VolKnight9 said:
Do you guys not understand that Ball State is a team that could win their conference this year and have been to 2 consecutive bowls I believe. Should we handle them easily? Yes. Did we? Yes! 59-10 is a beat down. These are college athletes as well. They aren’t playing the local peewee team. Ball State is a good football team if compared to schools of their stature, at least in the last couple years. Just because they are a school who we should run through easily (which we did) doesn’t mean they don’t have strengths and weaknesses
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Ball State was literally picked last in their conference media polls, right there with Akron.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Not being negative. Any you beat a team by 49 points is a dominant win.

Yes we played vanilla on defense, but it’s very concerning not having a sack.

We have to be able to get pressure from the edge or it’s probably going to be another disappointing season.

We really need Young and Baron to develop over the next couple of weeks to have a shot at a 9-10 win season.

3rd conversions:
Ball state - 36%
Vols - 38%
Some improvement from last season, but it was Ball State. I think to have a really good to great season we need to get into the 40% range while holding our opponents in the 20% range.

We lost focus at the end of the half. Easy to do sometimes when your playing an inferior opponent and have huge lead. The ball bounced our way on the fumble. Hate for the Ball State kid, but it’s nice to get a break when over the last 14 years plays like that usually go against us.
These are the type of games that the goal is to play everyone on the bench and get out of the game with no major injuries. I think we accomplished the goal.

Side note: Joshua Joseph looks like he will need at least 2 years in the strength and conditioning program before his body is SEC ready. Like he like he could have a Leonard Little body type.
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I would really encourage you to go watch the replay Freak posted on YouTube. They were regularly getting pressure with just four rushers and when they blitzed somebody got right in that QBs face. I mean the first play of the game was going to be an Aaron Beasley sack, but the QB threw up a prayer. BY was bullying their tackles and Baron had a couple nice inside moves to force the QB off his spot. I think their game plan was to get the ball out as quickly as possible to avoid negative yardage drive killer plays.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Ball State was literally picked last in their conference media polls, right there with Akron.
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Its just the position were in right now. We were god awful on D last year and have basically the same no talent roster this year. Jeremy banks could probably be in Bama/Uga 2 deep but other than that not one player on our D would touch the field at either place. Thats why our D coordinator has to play the soft 3-3-5 scheme and keep everything in front and hope to hold up in the red zone. JH inherited a bad roster void of talent on D and hasn't addressed it in any way. Our best bet is load up in the transfer portal next year. We dont have 2/3 years to wait for freshman recruits to hopefully develop. Also our Oline has no depth/talent and that needs addressed too. Luckily JH is such a great offensive mind and can call plays around that problem until you play real SEC defenses. None of this will be a quick fix and well have to be patient for a while (I know we've been patient for 15 years) but I trust JH if he can recruit a real sec roster. In other leagues we could hide our Line issues, In the SEC if you cant compete in the trenches, nothing else matters. Its a line of scrimmage league and were not competitive in that category. Our secondary isn't talented and couldn't hold up even if our Dline actually helped them out. Were just in the wrong league to be untalented in the trenches and especially on defense. We'd be fine in the big 12.
 
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KnoxvilleVol13 said:
Its just the position were in right now. We were god awful on D last year and have basically the same no talent roster this year. Jeremy banks could probably be in Bama/Uga 2 deep but other than that not one player on our D would touch the field at either place. Thats why our D coordinator has to play the soft 3-3-5 scheme and keep everything in front and hope to hold up in the red zone. JH inherited a bad roster void of talent on D and hasn't addressed it in any way. Our best bet is load up in the transfer portal next year. We dont have 2/3 years to wait for freshman recruits to hopefully develop. Also our Oline has no depth/talent and that needs addressed too. Luckily JH is such a great offensive mind and can call plays around that problem until you play real SEC defenses. None of this will be a quick fix and well have to be patient for a while (I know we've been patient for 15 years) but I trust JH if he can recruit a real sec roster. In other leagues we could hide our Line issues, In the SEC if you cant compete in the trenches, nothing else matters. Its a line of scrimmage league and were not competitive in that category. Our secondary isn't talented and couldn't hold up even if our Dline actually helped them out. Were just in the wrong league to be untalented in the trenches and especially on defense. We'd be fine in the big 12.
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So B. Young who was preseason All SEC couldn’t start for any team in the SEC???
 
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#157
KnoxvilleVol13 said:
Its just the position were in right now. We were god awful on D last year and have basically the same no talent roster this year. Jeremy banks could probably be in Bama/Uga 2 deep but other than that not one player on our D would touch the field at either place. Thats why our D coordinator has to play the soft 3-3-5 scheme and keep everything in front and hope to hold up in the red zone. JH inherited a bad roster void of talent on D and hasn't addressed it in any way. Our best bet is load up in the transfer portal next year. We dont have 2/3 years to wait for freshman recruits to hopefully develop. Also our Oline has no depth/talent and that needs addressed too. Luckily JH is such a great offensive mind and can call plays around that problem until you play real SEC defenses. None of this will be a quick fix and well have to be patient for a while (I know we've been patient for 15 years) but I trust JH if he can recruit a real sec roster. In other leagues we could hide our Line issues, In the SEC if you cant compete in the trenches, nothing else matters. Its a line of scrimmage league and were not competitive in that category. Our secondary isn't talented and couldn't hold up even if our Dline actually helped them out. Were just in the wrong league to be untalented in the trenches and especially on defense. We'd be fine in the big 12.
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hard to argue any of this.
this year we are just going to have to outscore everyone.
 
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#158
Vfl2407 said:
hard to argue any of this.
this year we are just going to have to outscore everyone.
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Yeah which is fine and to be expected. You win games in the offseason in this league. If we want to get back to being a SEC contender we have to build a SEC roster, especially on D and in the trenches. Were light years away from that right now. When JH took over it was always a 5+ year rebuild and im thrilled to be where we are in year 2. I'm not worried about our offense but if you cant play defense in this league there's nothing to get excited about. Time will tell.
 
#159
#159
KnoxvilleVol13 said:
Its just the position were in right now. We were god awful on D last year and have basically the same no talent roster this year. Jeremy banks could probably be in Bama/Uga 2 deep but other than that not one player on our D would touch the field at either place. Thats why our D coordinator has to play the soft 3-3-5 scheme and keep everything in front and hope to hold up in the red zone. JH inherited a bad roster void of talent on D and hasn't addressed it in any way. Our best bet is load up in the transfer portal next year. We dont have 2/3 years to wait for freshman recruits to hopefully develop. Also our Oline has no depth/talent and that needs addressed too. Luckily JH is such a great offensive mind and can call plays around that problem until you play real SEC defenses. None of this will be a quick fix and well have to be patient for a while (I know we've been patient for 15 years) but I trust JH if he can recruit a real sec roster. In other leagues we could hide our Line issues, In the SEC if you cant compete in the trenches, nothing else matters. Its a line of scrimmage league and were not competitive in that category. Our secondary isn't talented and couldn't hold up even if our Dline actually helped them out. Were just in the wrong league to be untalented in the trenches and especially on defense. We'd be fine in the big 12.
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No talent on D yet why was BY selected 1st team ALL-SEC?
 
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KeyVol14 said:
No talent on D yet why was BY selected 1st team ALL-SEC?
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You realize bama/uga have 5+ BY's on their roster. You have to have depth. BY is a good football player, Jeremy banks is a good football player. Our secondary is terrible. Our linebackers aren't talented. Our d line isn't talented and has no depth. Which is fine in year 2. My point is if our goal is to be a SEC contender we need 4/5 BY's on the roster to compete in this league. Bama/uga rotate 6/7 guys just as good as him. Thats the battle were up against. As a whole we have a bad defense right now. Its not the coaches fault. You play the hand your dealt.
 
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#163
KnoxvilleVol13 said:
Did I say that? Or did I say he wouldn't be in the 2 deep at bama or Uga? You just made up a whole sentence. Thats weird
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My point is if B Young is preseason ALL SEC then he would be in the two deep at Alabama and Georgia and probably start. You said only Banks would probably make the two deep.
 
#164
#164
mtvols said:
My point is if B Young is preseason ALL SEC then he would be in the two deep at Alabama and Georgia and probably start. You said only Banks would probably make the two deep.
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You didn't have a point, you just made something up. I think b young is a good football player. There's a zero % chance he'd start at either place. I dont think he'd be in the 2 deep personally. My point was our defense as a whole isn't talented, we all know that, and it has zero depth. That was my only point. I get the MEDIA picked him in a PRESEASON poll, but to play in 11 games for a defense who played 90 snaps a game and only have 5 total sacks and less than 50 total tackles, he really hasn't done anything on the field for us relatively speaking yet. He has all the tools in the world but that all SEC pick was a media projection not based on what hes actually done on the field. Hes a solid player. Bama and Uga D lineman are elite. As of right now, B young is not. That can change this year but he can be JJ watt and we still will be bad on defense. As expected
 
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#165
mtvols said:
My point is if B Young is preseason ALL SEC then he would be in the two deep at Alabama and Georgia and probably start. You said only Banks would probably make the two deep.
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He played a full season last year. for a defense that lived on the field. Had 5 total sacks and didnt make an all sec team. No, I dont think he'd start at bama or uga lol
 
#167
#167
KnoxvilleVol13 said:
Its just the position were in right now. We were god awful on D last year and have basically the same no talent roster this year. Jeremy banks could probably be in Bama/Uga 2 deep but other than that not one player on our D would touch the field at either place. Thats why our D coordinator has to play the soft 3-3-5 scheme and keep everything in front and hope to hold up in the red zone. JH inherited a bad roster void of talent on D and hasn't addressed it in any way. Our best bet is load up in the transfer portal next year. We dont have 2/3 years to wait for freshman recruits to hopefully develop. Also our Oline has no depth/talent and that needs addressed too. Luckily JH is such a great offensive mind and can call plays around that problem until you play real SEC defenses. None of this will be a quick fix and well have to be patient for a while (I know we've been patient for 15 years) but I trust JH if he can recruit a real sec roster. In other leagues we could hide our Line issues, In the SEC if you cant compete in the trenches, nothing else matters. Its a line of scrimmage league and were not competitive in that category. Our secondary isn't talented and couldn't hold up even if our Dline actually helped them out. Were just in the wrong league to be untalented in the trenches and especially on defense. We'd be fine in the big 12.
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I hate that you’re right, but you’re right. The “sexy” players are those on the perimeter, but the most important ones are the big boys in the trench. We gotta build up the lines and our perimeter boys will make big numbers.
 
#168
#168
StickMan said:
Holy smokes, people! Some folks are never happy. Was it perfect execution? Of course not, but it's game 1 and we won by 50. There is much to improve on, but they're not gonna be perfect every game. Enjoy the win, and let's go kick some Panther tail.
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May want to check out some of my other posts....positives and negatives on this.....I was simply saying the old "we were playing vanilla" is an overused excuse for not meeting expectations.

I re-watched it and feel a little better after focusing on the DL and pressure on the QB, but I did not get the "we suck, D sucks, we are gong to suck" out of my post.

Pitt game will tell us more, but I did not say I was unhappy.....underwhelmed on the D side? Yes. As I would bet the D-line is not floating on air from their performance either.

I mean, at least we are not Virginia Tech this morning.......;)
 
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#170
I just watched some of the highlights and looking at the way UT's defensive line played, it was definitely vanilla.

I would not consider this a game that an opposing team could watch tape on.
 
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#171
I don't want to paint too rosy a picture here. I was definitely looking for Baron & Byron to get at the QB better than they did Thursday night. I didn't see the explosive, body-bending, hell-bent drive like, say, Derek Barnett used to show every week. I was disappointed in not seeing that from either of them.

On the other hand, there are some mitigating circumstances that leave room for a bit of hope:

(1) Pitt's offense was (after their disastrous first play of the game) predicated on very quickly getting the ball out of the QB's hands. All night long, they handled the ball as if it were a hot potato. There were a handful of plays that developed slowly enough to allow a good end rush to get at it. Just not a lot of them.

(2) Ball State are a MAC team. Not necessarily the best of the MAC teams, but still a member of that league. Conferences have personality traits, tendencies. The MAC is the baby brother of the B10 and shares some of its persona. The old "3 yards and a cloud of dust" mindset. Physical play at the line of scrimmage. WMU, CMU, and all the rest are known for it, just like their big brothers in the mid-west. Yes, they're just a MAC team, but playing a MAC team in the trenches is different than, say, a CUSA or Sun Belt team. Not up to Power 5 level, for sure, but still a contributing factor.

(3) We didn't blitz much. Not enough to force their OLine to get creative. They saw mostly the same thing from us every single down.

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None of that is an excuse. I do think Baron & Byron ought to have been putting wrinkles in the Ball State QB's shirt. At least a couple of times.

But still, there's room for hope that we haven't yet seen what they're truly capable of.

Go Vols!
 
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#173
#173
VolKnight9 said:
We didn’t have any sacks but we were up what 38-0 at halftime? Look at Texas AM….. 17-0 at half.
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They don't look like the #6 team in the country. That's recruiting hype. I noticed Chris Russell was playing even after being arrested......same old Jimbo.
 
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