About Second Chances for Troubled College Football Players

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Muhsin Muhammad talks about viral Nick Saban video, his second chance

So presuming some of what makes Jeremy Pruitt tick came from Nick Saban, I wonder how it will translate to the Bryce Thompson situation. As long as he seriously considers the merits of the young man as a human being when weighed against the yet-to-be determined legal result and the actual actions of Thompson that night, I say we let the chips fall where they may and trust that Pruitt came to the right conclusion. I'm guessing that UT's governing body on such things will give Pruitt's thoughts on the matter a good bit of credibility, but if you know different, share.
 
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Here's the Saban philosophy to second chances.

If your talent outweighs your issues, you get a 2nd (and 3rd) chance
If your issues outweigh your talent, they make an example of you.

If Bryce was a 3rd stringer from the Butch regime, he would have been kicked off the team 5 days ago....
 
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I totally agree. But, it's a case by case situation. Especially in today's climate. The safety of all students is paramount. It makes it tough on a coach, especially if it takes on the level of being out of his hands. And maybe it should be out of his hands at a certain level. But, hell, what do I know? (Except tomorrow is gameday!)
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I personally have done some really stupid things in my life. He made a bad decision. He deserves to punished for it. He also must learn to control his temper. With all of the stupid I have done in my life very few people know about it. When it is a high profile athlete people get weird about it. Remember he is a 19 year old kid.
 
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Some of these kids need to learn what 'no' means when they are growing up. I don't think any of them have ever heard the word.
 
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stevenrich2003 said:
I personally have done some really stupid things in my life. He made a bad decision. He deserves to punished for it. He also must learn to control his temper. With all of the stupid I have done in my life very few people know about it. When it is a high profile athlete people get weird about it. Remember he is a 19 year old kid.
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No, he is a 19 year old MAN. He is not a kid.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Considering JJ earned his way back on the team, I'd say Pruitt is more than willing to give a player a 2nd chance. JJ's behavior in 2017 left a lot to be desired, IMO.
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Sorry, false equiv. In the world I live in, cussing out a coaching staff on social media over locker room frustration is a very different thing than (allegedly) assaulting a woman and threating to shoot up a public university.
 
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PMC2726 said:
Sorry, false equiv. In the world I live in, cussing out a coaching staff on social media over locker room frustration is a very different thing than (allegedly) assaulting a woman and threating to shoot up a public university.
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I haven't read anywhere that he assaulted a woman. An argument, yelling, shouting, frustration, anger, verbal threats. Yes. I threatened 3 people with a beatdown this morning driving to work because they drive slow in the left lane. I have girls, so I do not like the threats portion toward her. However, I taught by girls that kind of behavior is not worth their time and acceptable as someone to date. That's on the girl whether she accepts it or not. Shooting up the school threat I tend to see as frustration and such. He needs some counseling and maturity absolutely. Thrown to the side like trash, I'm not for that at this point, regardless of his depth chart location. Wise old men grow up from dumb young ones a lot of the time.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Considering JJ earned his way back on the team, I'd say Pruitt is more than willing to give a player a 2nd chance. JJ's behavior in 2017 left a lot to be desired, IMO.
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It did BUT an interim coach was the one that dismissed JJ with an AD having one foot out the door. I believe if we had a stable program at the time that whole incident would have been avoided. If Fulmer for example had been in place I don't think he'd have bounced JJ, he would have found another way.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Considering JJ earned his way back on the team, I'd say Pruitt is more than willing to give a player a 2nd chance. JJ's behavior in 2017 left a lot to be desired, IMO.
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Sorry, false equiv. In the world I live in, cussing out a coaching staff on social media over locker room frustration is a very different thing than (allegedly) assaulting a woman and threating to shoot up a public university.
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Here's the Saban philosophy to second chances.

If your talent outweighs your issues, you get a 2nd (and 3rd) chance
If your issues outweigh your talent, they make an example of you.

If Bryce was a 3rd stringer from the Butch regime, he would have been kicked off the team 5 days ago....
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Agreed 100%. Urban Meyer was not only famous for this, he REVELED in it and was very public about it. He had 2 systems -- one for those who had the talent, and one for those who didn't. In fact, Meyer's wife is out in the media right now saying her husband was treated differently than Saban and it's not fair. Boohoo!

Second chances are B.S. It's all about $$ and W/Ls for the University. Name one other student outside of a money producing sport that would be given a second chance to remain a student at UT (much less stay on the football team!) if they threatened to shoot the school up AND assaulted their girlfriend. If there was one in imaginary land, that student's last name would probably have to be Haslam or Manning.
 
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Kinglberry said:
I haven't read anywhere that he assaulted a woman. An argument, yelling, shouting, frustration, anger, verbal threats. Yes. I threatened 3 people with a beatdown this morning driving to work because they drive slow in the left lane. I have girls, so I do not like the threats portion toward her. However, I taught by girls that kind of behavior is not worth their time and acceptable as someone to date. That's on the girl whether she accepts it or not. Shooting up the school threat I tend to see as frustration and such. He needs some counseling and maturity absolutely. Thrown to the side like trash, I'm not for that at this point, regardless of his depth chart location. Wise old men grow up from dumb young ones a lot of the time.
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Verbal threats = assault.
Hitting = battery.

So the girl has the responsibility to accept that kind of behavior or not? And threatening to shoot up a school is simply expressing "frustration and such"? And the school has the responsibility to get him some counseling? That's called ZERO accountability.

It's pretty simple in my mind. He has anger issues. He needs help. He needs to be removed, permanently, from the team and university. It is privilege to play at UT and be a student there. It is incumbent upon him and his family, not the university, to pick himself up and get him that help he needs. EVERYTHING in his life needs to be put on hold until he can resolve this issue, otherwise he faces a lifetime of issues. This goes so far beyond a football season.
 
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wow arguing with girlfriend can get you extreme punishment , wonder what she was saying at the time all of you that have not argued with a female continue casting stones the rest needs to shut up
 
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mommasvol said:
wow arguing with girlfriend can get you extreme punishment , wonder what she was saying at the time all of you that have not argued with a female continue casting stones the rest needs to shut up
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You are blurring the line between a good old fashioned lover's quarrel, and a DB for an SEC football team threatening to smack the s*$t out of his girlfriend. And you are also implying that she asked for it when you say "wonder what she was saying."
 
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It is likely not completely in Pruitt's hands because of the alleged "shoot up the school" statement. If the school determines he actually did say that then the school may boot him regardless of what Pruitt/Fulmer decide.
 
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stevenrich2003 said:
Well, that is a kid in my eyes. I bet if we went back and looked at you when you were 19 you probably did some stupid. Learned from it and are now a happy healthy productive member of our society. Just taking a stab it.
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I never was expected to do interviews on national TV. I was never expected to do the very adult things he is expected, and he WANTS to do. Being an elite caliber athlete vaults you into adulthood much faster than a long haired country boy sowing his oats at a University. I did lots of stupid things when I was that age. But I had nowhere near as much on my shoulders as they do. That goes right to the point of my other post where I mention that they have never heard the word 'no'. They should have heard it from their parents growing up because the potential they have is recognized at an early age. If they are allowed to act like children, the will never mature. It is proven out time and time again. The difference is between being grounded and going to prison though. Yet we act surprised when they act irresponsibly.

When I got my first aircraft command in the military at age 25, that is when I reached the kind of level that these young men are at at age 19. And even then it's not close.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
It is likely not completely in Pruitt's hands because of the alleged "shoot up the school" statement. If the school determines he actually did say that then the school may boot him regardless of what Pruitt/Fulmer decide.
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If he DIDN'T say it, she should go to jail imho.
 
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Kinglberry said:
I haven't read anywhere that he assaulted a woman. An argument, yelling, shouting, frustration, anger, verbal threats. Yes. I threatened 3 people with a beatdown this morning driving to work because they drive slow in the left lane. I have girls, so I do not like the threats portion toward her. However, I taught by girls that kind of behavior is not worth their time and acceptable as someone to date. That's on the girl whether she accepts it or not. Shooting up the school threat I tend to see as frustration and such. He needs some counseling and maturity absolutely. Thrown to the side like trash, I'm not for that at this point, regardless of his depth chart location. Wise old men grow up from dumb young ones a lot of the time.
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You know how it is, man. Some insist on believing or inventing the worse and damn the facts.
 
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musolfmj said:
Muhsin Muhammad talks about viral Nick Saban video, his second chance

So presuming some of what makes Jeremy Pruitt tick came from Nick Saban, I wonder how it will translate to the Bryce Thompson situation. As long as he seriously considers the merits of the young man as a human being when weighed against the yet-to-be determined legal result and the actual actions of Thompson that night, I say we let the chips fall where they may and trust that Pruitt came to the right conclusion. I'm guessing that UT's governing body on such things will give Pruitt's thoughts on the matter a good bit of credibility, but if you know different, share.
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May not be Coaches Pruitt and Fulmers' call....might be a school thing....just have to wait and see.
 
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