Aaron Douglas problem?

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therickbol said:
This is a ridiculous sentiment. So because I do not smoke pot I could not possibly have any idea what it does or does not do to you? Because I do not smoke pot I could not possibly know why I should or should not do it?
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That's not what I said at all. And yes, pot effects different people in different ways. I can tell you what it feels like and what it does to me, but you couldn't know unless you tried and your experience will still be different than mine. You can know whether or not you should do it without trying, but that has nothing to do with what I am saying.

My point is people say, "stoners sit around and play video games all day." They have probably seen this with their own eyes and have data to back it up. The problem is stoners tend to be lazy people. They sat around and played video games before they ever smoked. They sit around and play video games when they aren't high. It's not the weed that causes it. It's their tendencies that attract them to weed. Kapeesh?
 
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These rumors about Bryce Brown, Janzen Jackson and Aaron Douglas just crack me the h*** up...

It's like some people sit around and think "what player or players would cause the most damage to the upcoming season if they get kicked off/leave the team"...then they proceed to start a rumor about that player/those players being involved in something that could lead to them not being on the team this upcoming season...

Honestly...how many rumors are there floating around about Cody Pope or Anthony Anderson quitting the team/getting kicked off the team?
 
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nbakerld said:
That's not what I said at all. And yes, pot effects different people in different ways. I can tell you what it feels like and what it does to me, but you couldn't know unless you tried and your experience will still be different than mine. You can know whether or not you should do it without trying, but that has nothing to do with what I am saying.

My point is people say, "stoners sit around and play video games all day." They have probably seen this with their own eyes and have data to back it up. The problem is stoners tend to be lazy people. They sat around and played video games before they ever smoked. They sit around and play video games when they aren't high. It's not the weed that causes it. It's their tendencies that attract them to weed. Kapeesh?
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While there may be slight to moderate variances in the amount of effect that any given drug will have on the individual, specific chemicals (THC in this instance) have specific effects due to the fact that that they target specific receptors in the brain. That's why drugs are classified as they are - whether uppers, downers, etc... (Barring central nervous center abnormalities, of course.)

Your chicken/egg argument is mostly assumption unless you provide anything to back it up. As to marijuana's effects on motivation, many studies have been done.

"Slikker, Paule, et al. set out to find the effects of marijuana smoke on the brain, memory, learning, and motivation. They found that monkees who smoked even just on weekends did not develop normal clinical motivation -- defined by the willingness to work for reward. The studies concentrated on adolescense specifically for this reason, and were extremely well controlled. Does this mean that kids who smoke marijuana are lazy? Probably not. Rhesus monkees are very similar to humans, though, and it is very likely, especially given the previous empirical evidence, that smoking marijuana during adolescense will temporarily impair specific types of motivational development. The effect is permanantly reversible and normal motivational development can be obtained by a 3-12 month period of abstinance (in monkeys -- no time period for humans is available.)"


Unless the above referenced testers just happened to have chosen "lazy" monkeys in a tightly controlled study, you may want to change your outlook.


Please note that if I were a smoker, I probably wouldn't have been motivated enough to reference data as a response...
 
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nbakerld said:
That's the problem with anti-smokers. They don't understand cause and effect. They think pot makes you lazy when in fact the truth is it just attracts lazy people. It doesn't impair your grammar, he started smoking pot because he doesn't care about grammar.
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Orange_Crush said:
While there may be slight to moderate variances in the amount of effect that any given drug will have on the individual, specific chemicals (THC in this instance) have specific effects due to the fact that that they target specific receptors in the brain. That's why drugs are classified as they are - whether uppers, downers, etc... (Barring central nervous center abnormalities, of course.)

Your chicken/egg argument is mostly assumption unless you provide anything to back it up. As to marijuana's effects on motivation, many studies have been done.

Unless the above referenced testers just happened to have chosen "lazy" monkeys in a tightly controlled study, you may want to change your outlook.

Please note that if I were a smoker, I probably wouldn't have been motivated enough to reference data as a response...
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I'm sure you know this, but monkeys aren't people. Monkeys don't have ideals or ethics. I may smoke, but what motivates me is the idea of productivity. I like to educate myself. I like to create good in the world. If I were more carnal, like a monkey, marijuana would maybe make me super lazy.

Also, as far as studies to back up what I am saying...there may not be any. You see the government doesn't like marijuana. They discourage the existence of studies that exonerate marijuana. The government has somehow placed a patent on marijuana as if they invented it, and you cannot scientifically experiment with it unless you have their permission.
 
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Here I just found this from some UMass collaboration. I know it doesn't stand up as a source, but it is interesting. It even mentions your monkeys. I am going to try to find more, like the reference to the Army study:

"28 Is it true that marijuana makes you lazy and unmotivated?

Not if you are a responsible adult, it doesn't. Ask the
U.S. Army. They did a study and showed no effect. If this
were true, why would many Eastern cultures, and Jamaicans,
use marijuana to help them work harder? `Amotivational
syndrome' started as a media myth based on the racial
stereotype of a lazy Mexican borracho. The prohibitionists
claimed that marijuana made people worthless and sluggish.
Since then, however, it has been scientifically researched,
and a symptom resembling amotivational syndrome has actually
been found. However, it only occurs in adolescent teenagers
-- adults are not affected.

When a person reaches adolescence, their willingness to work
usually increases, but this does not happen for teenagers
using marijuana regularly -- even just on the weekends. The
actual studies involved monkeys, not humans, and the results
are not verified, but older studies which tried to show
`amotivational syndrome' usually only suceeded when they
studied adolescents. Adults are not effected."
 
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Manvol said:
Is that the same advise you'll be giving the baby in your avatar concering the weed? Just curious.
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If he is in college at a major university when i know he is going to be surrounded by it, then yes. If i told him otherwise id be a hypocrite.
 
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nbakerld said:
I'm sure you know this, but monkeys aren't people. Monkeys don't have ideals or ethics. I may smoke, but what motivates me is the idea of productivity. I like to educate myself. I like to create good in the world. If I were more carnal, like a monkey, marijuana would maybe make me super lazy.

Also, as far as studies to back up what I am saying...there may not be any. You see the government doesn't like marijuana. They discourage the existence of studies that exonerate marijuana. The government has somehow placed a patent on marijuana as if they invented it, and you cannot scientifically experiment with it unless you have their permission.
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nbakerld said:
Here I just found this from some UMass collaboration. I know it doesn't stand up as a source, but it is interesting. It even mentions your monkeys. I am going to try to find more, like the reference to the Army study:

"28 Is it true that marijuana makes you lazy and unmotivated?

Not if you are a responsible adult, it doesn't. Ask the
U.S. Army. They did a study and showed no effect. If this
were true, why would many Eastern cultures, and Jamaicans,
use marijuana to help them work harder? `Amotivational
syndrome' started as a media myth based on the racial
stereotype of a lazy Mexican borracho. The prohibitionists
claimed that marijuana made people worthless and sluggish.
Since then, however, it has been scientifically researched,
and a symptom resembling amotivational syndrome has actually
been found. However, it only occurs in adolescent teenagers
-- adults are not affected.

When a person reaches adolescence, their willingness to work
usually increases, but this does not happen for teenagers
using marijuana regularly -- even just on the weekends. The
actual studies involved monkeys, not humans, and the results
are not verified, but older studies which tried to show
`amotivational syndrome' usually only suceeded when they
studied adolescents. Adults are not effected."
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So, your argument so far is that:

(A) Even though we may see repeated anecdotal data that pot smokers are lazy, just trust your hypothesis that it is a chicken/egg thing.

(B) Just ignore studies on monkeys in favor of your factless conclusions from a person that is admittedly pro-mary-jane (admitted smoker). Note: Monkey physiology is amazingly close to human. Studies on monkeys are possibly more insightful, as they can show physiological effects without the intellectual baggage of trying to "beat" the study-- as even you inferred, though perhaps missing the pint.

(C) This whole "lazy-dope" myth is just a government-sponsored myth/conspiracy.

C-1) To support your argument, you used an unreferenced study supposedly sponsored by the same government you claim perpetuates the myth? (Which is it? Were you smoking when you put together your defense?)

I am not claiming that 'amotivational syndrome' is real. I'm stating that most balanced studies on the subject reflect a negative effect on the motivational development of adolescent to college-aged people. This is backed up with human and animal studies. That's all that I'm claiming.

Now, smoke all you want. I have no issue with that. What I do take issue with is people such as yourselves getting on public platforms and passing along mis-information on subjects such as this for the purpose of making themselves feel better about their chosen lifestyle.

Live your life, my friend. Seriously. You can live with any potential legal and health issues that result. But keep the misinformation to yourself. Be responsible and know that there are impressionable kids that may be stupid enough to make health choices based on the drivel passed along by people they don't know on internet message boards. (Note that this is also in response to your steroid posts in the other thread, which is an even more severe health issue.)
 
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It seems to all depend on the individual. I know a couple a people who can't do anything while they're high, but they also love other drugs (such as oxycontin) and are pretty naturally lazy. But I also know others who flourish from smoking. One of them smokes everyday and is a well respected cardiologist. The other has a near 4.0 gpa and is about to graduate as an exotic animal vet. She never does her homework anymore without being high.

So just lighten up while discussing a subject you have no real knowledge on.
 
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Lofton/Durant4 3 said:
It seems to all depend on the individual. I know a couple a people who can't do anything while they're high, but they also love other drugs (such as oxycontin) and are pretty naturally lazy. But I also know others who flourish from smoking. One of them smokes everyday and is a well respected cardiologist. The other has a near 4.0 gpa and is about to graduate as an exotic animal vet. She never does her homework anymore without being high.

So just lighten up while discussing a subject you have no real knowledge on.
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Thanks for clearing up what "seems" to be the case. Your anecdotal evidence about an adult doctor that can smoke with seemingly no adverse motivational effects, and a college student who can't, really disproves my premise that marijuana adversely effects the motivation of adolescent to college-aged adults.

Thanks. That was brilliant. And brutal. Wow. I was served. Ouch!

Now, beyond what "seems" to you concerning the effects you see on people without a qualitative norm established for their motivation, do you have anything else to add?

Of course, aside from my sexuality. We've already covered that.

Edit: Dude. Like I said. I support everyone's choice to smoke or not smoke. That's not the issue for me. What I do not support is when people get on public forums such as this and make blanketed, uneducated statements as fact pertaining to potentially serious health issues. Even more important than the pot issue, the poster I started 'debating' got onto another thread and intimated that there were no adverse health effects from steroid usage. That's just absolutely untue and dangerous to float out there for young, impressionable people making decisions about their health and lives. It adds to a greater problem.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, your argument so far is that:

(A) Even though we may see repeated anecdotal data that pot smokers are lazy, just trust your hypothesis that it is a chicken/egg thing.

(B) Just ignore studies on monkeys in favor of your factless conclusions from a person that is admittedly pro-mary-jane (admitted smoker). Note: Monkey physiology is amazingly close to human. Studies on monkeys are possibly more insightful, as they can show physiological effects without the intellectual baggage of trying to "beat" the study-- as even you inferred, though perhaps missing the pint.

(C) This whole "lazy-dope" myth is just a government-sponsored myth/conspiracy.

C-1) To support your argument, you used an unreferenced study supposedly sponsored by the same government you claim perpetuates the myth? (Which is it? Were you smoking when you put together your defense?)

I am not claiming that 'amotivational syndrome' is real. I'm stating that most balanced studies on the subject reflect a negative effect on the motivational development of adolescent to college-aged people. This is backed up with human and animal studies. That's all that I'm claiming.

Now, smoke all you want. I have no issue with that. What I do take issue with is people such as yourselves getting on public platforms and passing along mis-information on subjects such as this for the purpose of making themselves feel better about their chosen lifestyle.

Live your life, my friend. Seriously. You can live with any potential legal and health issues that result. But keep the misinformation to yourself. Be responsible and know that there are impressionable kids that may be stupid enough to make health choices based on the drivel passed along by people they don't know on internet message boards. (Note that this is also in response to your steroid posts in the other thread, which is an even more severe health issue.)
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Grrrrr! Blibbity-blah-blah-blah!! Hoo-Ha! Think of the children! Boopity-blah-blah!!!

This comment defines the stupidity of this thread. Please kindly remove yourself from your high horse, great Sultan of Morality. Feeding your ego by blathering about "misinformation" and chastising people who "don't know" when, in fact, YOU don't know any more than any other layperson, is not the same as being responsible for "impressionable kids".

As someone who did partake during my younger college days, I would say that you are desperately in need of a toke or two, sir. Or maybe it would be best for you to stop reading and spreading your doctrine on PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARDS, and instead spread your message of responsibility where "impressionable" kids might actually ingest it.
 
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See Me No Morley said:
Grrrrr! Blibbity-blah-blah-blah!! Hoo-Ha! Think of the children! Boopity-blah-blah!!!

This comment defines the stupidity of this thread. Please kindly remove yourself from your high horse, great Sultan of Morality. Feeding your ego by blathering about "misinformation" and chastising people who "don't know" when, in fact, YOU don't know any more than any other layperson, is not the same as being responsible for "impressionable kids".

As someone who did partake during my younger college days, I would say that you are desperately in need of a toke or two, sir. Or maybe it would be best for you to stop reading and spreading your doctrine on PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARDS, and instead spread your message of responsibility where "impressionable" kids might actually ingest it.
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Um... Nice post. Really well put together train of thought there.

You should be proud.

Now, since you don't seem to have a response to any facts, should I assume you just don't like people who have differing moral outlooks? Is it just an aversion to rational rebuttal? As opposed to referencing scientific studies, I should just rely on the years-old perceptions of a person that was under the influence of brain-altering drugs, as opposed to those receiving grants to study the subject?

Which is it? You faded there after the first sentence, Einstein.
 
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Panthro said:
Okay, so I just got the scoop. I obviously don't want to name my source, but I'll tell you that it's one of Douglas's closest friends (and has been since high school). He says that Douglas got in some huge fight with his girlfriend on Friday, where he busted through a window after they kicked him out of the party for being too high/violent. When his girlfriend ran to her car to get away from him, he busted out one of her car windows...John Kreese-style. She and her roommates are trying to press charges.
It was also told to me that this is the least of his worries as weed is hardly his biggest problem right now. He's apparently got a hydrocodone problem that is unstoppable. Also, he just failed his fourth drug test since being with Tennessee. He failed two under Fulmer, and one under Kiffin. All of Douglas's friends tell him flat-out that he needs to straighten up and get a grip or he'll blow everything. Apparently, he just laughs whenever stuff like that is said to him.
As a skeptic, I totally get that I'm about to get ripped for posting this. I do apologize to no end if any of this information is incorrect. I just had to find out what was really going on since the info is so vague.
Somebody needs to shake this kid before he throws his life away. Dooley doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would put up with stuff like this.
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This is BS.
 
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