A valuable lesson Tennessee has yet to learn

[UTFranklinVol]

You used two programs who didn’t fire their coach as examples of why we should fire our coach?

Did your school bus have less than 3 axels by chance?

its not about firing the coach per se. its about making a coaching switch. AKA Heupel going to Penn State on his own isnt a terrible thing right now.

but I can see how someone with an extra chromosome might have missed that part of the equation.

 

[jeff1vol]

Speaking of learning a lesson .

How did the coaching hires go after Fulmer left?

Exactly. UT has ALWAYS shopped in the bargain bin when it comes to hiring coaches. The lesson here is to remember all the grief Bama took when they threw the brinks truck at Saban?? I do. Very well. Look how that turned out. Quality and results come at a price. UT needs to remember that.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

I stopped reading after you seemed to imply that Kirby getting hired at Georgia was not considered a splash hire. What an absolutely brainrot statement.

so hiring a DC that worked under Nick Saban with no head coaching experience is a splash hire? wait don't I know of another team who did that?

 

[Rickyvol77]

you can take low grade jabs at me all you want. I'm no longer interested in talking to you ever again. after your "we will beat Vanderbilt easily" drivel I know that responding to your troll work is pointless.

You said we would beat Vandy easily, guess you need to ignore yourself too?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

its not about firing the coach per se. its about making a coaching switch. AKA Heupel going to Penn State on his own isnt a terrible thing right now.

but I can see how someone with an extra chromosome might have missed that part of the equation.

No one is blowing up Josh Heupel's agent's phone and Internet "polls" from click bait sites are worse than agent planted "so and so is looking at Heupel...." fluff pieces.

Josh Heupel is fine at UT but he's not a hot commodity on the job market. If he leaves any time soon, he'll be shown the door by Danny White.

Just stop with the "he might get poached by ____" talk because it's not reality based.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

Kirby was literally getting thrown job offer after job offer after their second natty..... He waited for his alma mater to open up. The notion that Kirby was somehow a project hire or not a splash hire for Georgia is just an amazing take.

how many job offers got thrown at Mike Gundy in his career? would that have been a splash hire?

people only claim now that Kirby Smart was a splash hire because of all the success he has had. if he had flopped at Georgia like Will Muschamp or Jim McElwain did at Florida absolutely nobody would be calling that a splash hire.

they hired a DC who was a former Georgia player. it just happened to work out for them.

 

[05_never_again]

This post a little disingenuous- Kirby Smart was one of the hottest names in coaching for years before he left for UGA, Ryan Day basically has a job running on autopilot no where near the samething

There's a little revisionist history there. Kirby was a highly thought of DC, but when UGA hired him the general narrative was that there was a fair amount risk there since they were firing a very good coach in hopes of getting a great coach, he'd never been a HC before, and lots of Saban's other assistants haven't turned out to be good HCs. It was not universally thought of as a slam dunk hire, especially after his first season when he got blown out by OM, lost to us on the Hail Mary, lost to Vandy, lost to UF, and lost to GT.

Unfortunately, the risk paid off.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

You said we would beat Vandy easily, guess you need to ignore yourself too?

I never ever said we would beat Vandy just like I never said we would beat Florida. you misunderstood again. what I said is that my expectation of this team is that we better beat Vandy easily. there's never an excuse to lose to Vandy. same thing with Florida. what I said was there is literally no excuse to lose to Florida. that's my expectation of this team.

I don't play the prediction game with Tennessee because Tennessee always makes you pay, as you have discovered.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

With EVERYTHING thats been said on this thread, if Heupel replaces the DC and possibly the OC, then he will get back in the good graces of the fans for at least a couple more years.

***he prob does have to make a decent "splash" hire for DC to get him that.

He could do that by hiring Muschamp as DC and getting Chip Kelly as an offensive analyst or even as the OC. Chip could be the HC in waiting to replace Heupel and it would be somewhat seamless transition due to their similar styles of offense.

Just my .02

 

[Rickyvol77]

I never ever said we would beat Vandy just like I never said we would beat Florida. you misunderstood again. what I said is that my expectation of this team is that we better beat Vandy easily. there's never an excuse to lose to Vandy. same thing with Florida. what I said was there is literally no excuse to lose to Florida. that's my expectation of this team.

I don't play the prediction game with Tennessee because Tennessee always makes you pay, as you have discovered.

So i WAS correct with your fence sitting post....I thought that was the intent to begin with

 

[Sudden Impact]

So, who you gonna hire?

Must have money ($$$$$) and lots of it, because this next hire will be a costly one for NIL and bringing in the coaching staff.
The longer you wait the more expensive it becomes to make a move.
My thoughts is to let Banks go and some others, recruit Head Hunters.
I am not so sure that some. Injuries have killed this team and I honestly think CJH was trying to hold this team together.
There needs to be a change of philosophy on the defensive side. In essence, we have recruited of LBs that either got hurt or went portal. Strong up the middle.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

So i WAS correct with your fence sitting post....I thought that was the intent to begin with

there's no fence sitting at all. I'm very clearly on one side of the fence.

 

[JMSqb11]

how many job offers got thrown at Mike Gundy in his career? would that have been a splash hire?

people only claim now that Kirby Smart was a splash hire because of all the success he has had. if he had flopped at Georgia like Will Muschamp or Jim McElwain did at Florida absolutely nobody would be calling that a splash hire.

they hired a DC who was a former Georgia player. it just happened to work out for them.

Will Muschamp was nowhere near the caliber that Kirby was when he was hired. Will Muschamp worked under Saban for like 4 years then bolted for Tuberville and Mack Brown. He was even named Head coach in waiting at Texas yet ran away to take the Florida gig that was mostly depleted team with Urban stepping away.

This notion that were so many unknowns about Kirby is asinine. He waited his time for the right job to open up which happened to be his alma mater. He worked under Saban for 9 seasons at Alabama and 4 national titles. He walked into the second most stable program in the SEC as well in Georgia.

You can not literally compare him to any other hire from the Saban tree. Especially Pruitt.

Delusional to think he was some unknown.

 

[hUTch2002]

Well......lets put our money on that prediction

I’m pretty sure every time a thought passes through his mind he starts a new thread.

 

[hUTch2002]

Will Muschamp was nowhere near the caliber that Kirby was when he was hired. Will Muschamp worked under Saban for like 4 years then bolted for Tuberville and Mack Brown. He was even named Head coach in waiting at Texas yet ran away to take the Florida gig that was mostly depleted team with Urban stepping away.

This notion that were so many unknowns about Kirby is asinine. He waited his time for the right job to open up which happened to be his alma mater. He worked under Saban for 9 seasons at Alabama and 4 national titles. He walked into the second most stable program in the SEC as well in Georgia.

You can not literally compare him to any other hire from the Saban tree. Especially Pruitt.

Delusional to think he was some unknown.

As a HC sure he was an unknown commodity. He had zero experience. He was a gamble that paid off. Plenty of big time coordinators don’t transition well to HC.

 

[JMSqb11]

As a HC sure he was an unknown commodity. He had zero experience. He was a gamble that paid off. Plenty of big time coordinators don’t transition well to HC.

He also was Saban's right hand man from day 1 at Alabubba. Pruitt wasn't. Kiffin wasn't. McElwien wasn't. Dooley wasn't......

Kirby took the best job that was ever offered to him because it was the most stable and secure job. Just happend to be its alma mater.

 

[Remy]

whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.

Tennessee won't win any SEC titles or national titles until they learn the lesson above.

Sadly I believe you are correct. One thing is for sure, as a general rule, UT, UF, and UGA are not going to hire big splash hires. We generally hire up and comers. Lots of those out there and it's a matter of finding the right guy. One thing is for sure you won't find him hanging on to a guy that will not hang any championship banners but is a Mark Richt 2.0.

 

[hUTch2002]

He also was Saban's right hand man from day 1 at Alabubba. Pruitt wasn't. Kiffin wasn't. McElwien wasn't. Dooley wasn't......

Kirby took the best job that was ever offered to him because it was the most stable and secure job. Just happend to be its alma mater.

I get you, he was at a different level under Saban. He certainly picked a great spot and it has worked out well. After the first 4 or 5 years, it appeared they had Richt 2.0, but Smart broke through. Sometimes patience does pay off.

 

[sigmundoooz]

So, who you gonna hire?

It sounds like this poster thinks we need to hire anyone, no one has ever heard of? Didn't really see a lesson in all that.

 

[sigmundoooz]

The notion I'm seeing you put out here is:

Get a coach to build your program to where it's very strong then fire him because he doesn't launch you over the hump to a Natty THEN hire a hungry unknown coach who will lead you to that Natty.

That's supposedly logical? Why?

Thanks for that interpretation. I had a hard time finding a lesson in all that.

 

[D-Vols]

being a "hot name" ain't the same thing as being a proven head coach. only a proven head coach can even be considered a splash hire.

Ryan Day has been able to sustain OSU all on his own. but you're right he inherited a program with talent which is exactly what Tennessee has right now and exactly the point of this lesson.

Tennessee is not at the same point as Ohio, Ga or bama, talent wise. Getting closer but not there yet. These elite teams are around 80% blue chip players, our Vols are around 55-60%.

 

[10seV4L]

whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.

Tennessee won't win any SEC titles or national titles until they learn the lesson above.

Boom! Mic drop

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.

Tennessee won't win any SEC titles or national titles until they learn the lesson above.

You're an idiot. This is a young team and everybody said it was an 8 win team in the summer. Fans like you absolutely destroy teams for years crying to fire a coach over and over.

 

[Volador]

So, who you gonna hire?

Someone give me 10 good reasons not to hire Grudes. He is hungry to return to football. He is offensive minded. He LOVES Tennessee. His name would be HUGE for recruiting. He has learned his lesson the hard way.

Auburn gave our beloved Bruce Pearl a second shot, and how'd that work out for them, huh?

Grudes, or CJG.