A tale of trust, loyalty and costly mistake

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http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/final-four-2017-gonzaga-south-carolina-is-tale-of-trust-loyalty-and-one-costly-mistake/

"Don’t know who John Currie is?
He’s the man -- through a lack of loyalty and a catastrophic mistake of arrogance and short-sightedness that could damage Kansas State athletics for a very long time -- most responsible for it being South Carolina here at the Final Four."

"And with all respect to South Carolina, nobody -- nobody -- leaves a program they’ve built the way Martin did at Kansas State for South Carolina.
Unless some pedantic AD like Currie wreaks havoc."

Throw these on top and JC has a lot of perception to overcome.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/kansas-state-wildcats-bruce-weber-frank-martin-john-currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112
 
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I know that Blackburn had angered some donors and he was off the table, but not hiring Fulmer....and the way he was treated during this process.....will come back to haunt us I am afraid. This Currie guy is a jerk to his coaches it seems, and if we have to make a big hire it is possible that a lot of good coaches may not want to come work for him.
 
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Good lord people. Frank Martin is a giant Ahole. One of the reasons he left Kstate was because he was about to lose a third of his team because of the way he berated his players. He was suspended at USCe twice for this same behavior. People keep making all of this out to be 100% on Currie but it's not. Martin has done a great job this year and maybe he has learned from his mistakes. But the Martin that left Kstate is not the Martin you are reading about today.
 
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Well at least he IS NOT a Bammer!?! :blink:

Hope it doesn't end up being....


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gc49ervol said:
Good lord people. Frank Martin is a giant Ahole. One of the reasons he left Kstate was because he was about to lose a third of his team because of the way he berated his players. He was suspended at USCe twice for this same behavior. People keep making all of this out to be 100% on Currie but it's not. Martin has done a great job this year and maybe he has learned from his mistakes. But the Martin that left Kstate is not the Martin you are reading about today.
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Maybe they are both jerks, but I find it hard to believe that Snyder is. Currie has a hard time getting along with coaches and I don't think that can be denied.
 
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gc49ervol said:
Good lord people. Frank Martin is a giant Ahole. One of the reasons he left Kstate was because he was about to lose a third of his team because of the way he berated his players. He was suspended at USCe twice for this same behavior. People keep making all of this out to be 100% on Currie but it's not. Martin has done a great job this year and maybe he has learned from his mistakes. But the Martin that left Kstate is not the Martin you are reading about today.
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This is true. Marting found out he was about to lose 4 of his players and he bolted.


https://www.google.com/amp/jugofsnyder.com/2012/05/07/cult-of-frank/amp/

He asked whether they really believed it would only be Spradling. No one spoke at first, until he encouraged them to be honest. It was when he heard Gipson’s name that he seemed to deflate a bit, and when it finally seemed to sink in that he was probably going to lose close to half of his scholarship players. He knew that he had burned many bridges in both Missouri and Kansas recruiting territory, and that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to adequately replace so many players.

South Carolina called his agent the next day.

The phone call was basically a Hail Mary by South Carolina athletic director Eric Hyman. Martin has since claimed that Hyman “put his arms around” him and that “it was hard for me not to feel the passion that he had for building the men’s basketball program.” In reality, Hyman’s phone call to Martin’s agent was a lifeboat in the midst of a private ocean that was becoming very choppy. Martin knew immediately that unless a phone call from Illinois came (and a source within that athletic department told me that Martin’s name came up once, but was dismissed out of hand), he would take the job at South Carolina.

Over the course of the next few days, Martin refused to return several phone calls from K-State athletic director John Currie. While many have pointed to his relationship with Currie as the “tipping point” in his decision to leave K-State, that is not the case. While that relationship was certainly strained, the gathering storm of player transfers was the actual reason. Currie actually tried at least a dozen times over five days to reach Martin, but none of those calls were either taken or returned.

Once the players themselves realized that Martin was threatening to leave, they met off-campus, and decided to ask for a meeting with Currie. In those meetings (there was more than one), their issues with Martin were laid bare, along with their concerns regarding the lack of action by his assistants, and the wedges Martin had driven between they and some of their former coaches. (With regard to the last point, that is a subject for an entirely separate column, which I may or may not get around to writing at some point. Suffice to say, Martin had burnt a lot of recruiting bridges in the Midwest by the time he left.)
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So does this mean if Currie, corrects his attitude towards the coaches that he will be hesitant to pull the trigger on the obvious?

When he does fire any of them and they go to the next school and win, does that mean he has no clue?

Will we live in another period of mediocrity because we can't get the coach we really need here because of his KSU reputation?

Coaches are gonna coach the way they feel and some players will respond to their actions and some will not.

If the AD chooses to get into the Player-Coach Relationship and micro manages then you are telling the coach you don't trust or need him.

If you under cut the Coach in Public then you are the one with the problem not the Coach.

Should be an interesting next 2-4 years because we are overdue some coach overhauls. Based on how well our new AD does his job will determine the quality of hires.
 
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LocoVol said:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/final-four-2017-gonzaga-south-carolina-is-tale-of-trust-loyalty-and-one-costly-mistake/

"Don’t know who John Currie is?
He’s the man -- through a lack of loyalty and a catastrophic mistake of arrogance and short-sightedness that could damage Kansas State athletics for a very long time -- most responsible for it being South Carolina here at the Final Four."

"And with all respect to South Carolina, nobody -- nobody -- leaves a program they’ve built the way Martin did at Kansas State for South Carolina.
Unless some pedantic AD like Currie wreaks havoc."

Throw these on top and JC has a lot of perception to overcome.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/kansas-state-wildcats-bruce-weber-frank-martin-john-currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112
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After reading about both sides of the equation at KS, it appears that Martin definitely left on his own because he had driven a wedge between himself and his players. The info that you provided paints a picture that isn't backed up by the facts.
 
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Top Gun said:
After reading about both sides of the equation at KS, it appears that Martin definitely left on his own because he had driven a wedge between himself and his players. The info that you provided paints a picture that isn't backed up by the facts.
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Sounds like we need to give Martin immunity for his testimony??
 
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I don't blame Currie for what Frank Martin did. But, the jury is definitely out on both him and Davenport. I don't believe Davenport is serious about winning championships JMO. I sure hope I am wrong but time will tell. In the meantime we will continue to be embarrassed by finishing at the bottom of the heap in most sports until things happen for the better.
 
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Every coach in the UTAD is now on a short leash. Always been against hiring people with no prior links to Tennessee(davenport). Really hope the day never comes when the folks that write the big checks invoke the nuclear option , no more $$$. Currie has something to prove.
 
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gc49ervol said:
Good lord people. Frank Martin is a giant Ahole. One of the reasons he left Kstate was because he was about to lose a third of his team because of the way he berated his players. He was suspended at USCe twice for this same behavior. People keep making all of this out to be 100% on Currie but it's not. Martin has done a great job this year and maybe he has learned from his mistakes. But the Martin that left Kstate is not the Martin you are reading about today.
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Seems to be a popular narrative that Martin is a bad dude.....despite his players at SCar loving the guy and guys like Chris Dortch, who know him well, saying he's actually an old school guy, with a big heart, great sense of humor and a great guy. All I know is he's a damn good basketball coach who's taking SCar to the Final 4, while KState and their coach Bruce Weber are watching the final weekend of college basketball with all the rest of us.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Every coach in the UTAD is now on a short leash. Always been against hiring people with no prior links to Tennessee(davenport). Really hope the day never comes when the folks that write the big checks invoke the nuclear option , no more $$$. Currie has something to prove.
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Better pray Currie doesn't have to hire any coaches during his tenure here. Not likely to end well.
 
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LocoVol said:
I dont need to deal with anything. I just posted articals of intreset. Sorry i hurt you feelings about your new ad crush.
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How'd you read "hurt" out of that? :w00t: You were a Hall Monitor as a student...amirite?
 
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KBVol said:
Seems to be a popular narrative that Martin is a bad dude.....despite his players at SCar loving the guy and guys like Chris Dortch, who know him well, saying he's actually an old school guy, with a big heart, great sense of humor and a great guy. All I know is he's a damn good basketball coach who's taking SCar to the Final 4, while KState and their coach Bruce Weber are watching the final weekend of college basketball with all the rest of us.
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Reinvented himself after a little humility. He'll hug Currie someday at one of his other stops.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
I don't blame Currie for what Frank Martin did. But, the jury is definitely out on both him and Davenport. I don't believe Davenport is serious about winning championships JMO. I sure hope I am wrong but time will tell. In the meantime we will continue to be embarrassed by finishing at the bottom of the heap in most sports until things happen for the better.
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Every candidate had an element of unproven. Currie the least so.
 
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LocoVol said:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/final-four-2017-gonzaga-south-carolina-is-tale-of-trust-loyalty-and-one-costly-mistake/

"Don’t know who John Currie is?
He’s the man -- through a lack of loyalty and a catastrophic mistake of arrogance and short-sightedness that could damage Kansas State athletics for a very long time -- most responsible for it being South Carolina here at the Final Four."

"And with all respect to South Carolina, nobody -- nobody -- leaves a program they’ve built the way Martin did at Kansas State for South Carolina.
Unless some pedantic AD like Currie wreaks havoc."

Throw these on top and JC has a lot of perception to overcome.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/kansas-state-wildcats-bruce-weber-frank-martin-john-currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112
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Kansas State never has and never will be a destination job. Self-delusion all over the place! Frank Martin was never going to retire in Manhattan. Anybody do an article on why Oregon's Dana Altman (another first time FF coach) bailed on K-State for CREIGHTON?
 
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